Macroers, blah blah blah

[Prankster_King]

I try to be civil, and I get a response that calls my post a waste of space? Rofl, I should have just kept my original post. To put it simply, it ended in "gtfo". Maybe you should try that.

 

 

 

And no, macroers still shouldn't remain due to your pathetic reasoning. It doesn't matter if they balance out the damn economy. Every last one of the pathetic, lazy bums that use them deserve to be banned. Honestly, I'm glad you lost four mains. Why don't you run off and lose a fifth? Do us all a favor. Don't come bsing the Tip.It forums with your crap.

[Scorpiona]

I try to be civil, and I get a response that calls my post a waste of space? Rofl, I should have just kept my original post. To put it simply, it ended in "gtfo". Maybe you should try that.

 

 

 

And no, macroers still shouldn't remain due to your pathetic reasoning. It doesn't matter if they balance out the damn economy. Every last one of the pathetic, lazy bums that use them deserve to be banned. Honestly, I'm glad you lost four mains. Why don't you run off and lose a fifth? Do us all a favor. Don't come bsing the Tip.It forums with your crap.

 

 

 

I said your overzealous high-and-mighty rants against cheating were a waste of space, not to mention your flaming and personal attacks against me.

 

 

 

Cheating is wrong, don't do it, but don't act like an [wagon] about it. Which word didn't you understand?

 

 

 

I didn't say macroers should remain, I said that they were an important part of the economy. Try reading my post -- I don't advocate them staying, I advocate them being either utterly eradicated or let to run unchecked (as this would wipe them out as well), not treated half-assedly like Jagex is doing. Try reading my very first post again if that was too complex for you, and in the meantime, you can stay off my thread if you can't get over yourself.

 

 

 

I'm sorry if you consider this "harsh," but at the moment, my tolerance for you is at an all-time low.

 

 

 

Buh-bye!

[Prankster_King]

:roll: You crack me up.

[Unoalexi]

I try to be civil, and I get a response that calls my post a waste of space? Rofl, I should have just kept my original post. To put it simply, it ended in "gtfo". Maybe you should try that.

 

 

 

And no, macroers still shouldn't remain due to your pathetic reasoning. It doesn't matter if they balance out the damn economy. Every last one of the pathetic, lazy bums that use them deserve to be banned. Honestly, I'm glad you lost four mains. Why don't you run off and lose a fifth? Do us all a favor. Don't come bsing the Tip.It forums with your crap.

 

 

 

I said your overzealous high-and-mighty rants against cheating were a waste of space, not to mention your flaming and personal attacks against me.

 

 

 

 

 

Cheating is wrong, don't do it, but don't act like an [wagon] about it. Which word didn't you understand?

 

 

 

I didn't say macroers should remain, I said that they were an important part of the economy. Try reading my post -- I don't advocate them staying, I advocate them being either utterly eradicated or let to run unchecked (as this would wipe them out as well), not treated half-assedly like Jagex is doing. Try reading my very first post again if that was too complex for you, and in the meantime, you can stay off my thread if you can't get over yourself.

 

 

 

I'm sorry if you consider this "harsh," but at the moment, my tolerance for you is at an all-time low.

 

 

 

Buh-bye!

 

 

 

Off-topic- Dude, you really need to take a chill pill, he just misunderstood your thoughts.. By the way, nobody likes to see you cuss, especially the mods..

 

 

 

On-topic- Define "utterly eradicated'- mass IP bans..? But it is possible to change your IP relatively easily, certainly for an average hacker.. Honestly, Jagex is doing the best they can, but even so, there are thousands of bots being created each day..

 

 

 

Just look at the numbers-

 

Let's say that there are, out of all the people who play runescape, 1000 hackers/bot developers/bot users-

 

If each of these people creates/uses 5 bots each day, thats 5000 bots being created/used each day..

 

Only a handful of these bots will be caught marcoing, lets say 2/10's(Jagex is doing a so-called half***ed job as you say -.- ), so like 200..

 

Thus, in a week, thats about 35,000 bots- as soon as Jagex bans one, theres always another to take it's place..

 

 

 

It's an unwinnable war I'm afraid, unless Jagex does what they did to Classic- close all accounts to new members for a period of time- and mass ban all accounts even suspected of macroing..

 

However, these accounts are absolutely worthless to macroers- all they care about is their mains- so Jagex would have to develop trading logs of accounts suspected of macroing, to hunt down the main and kill it :twisted:

 

However, if they mass-ban the little noob accounts, they no longer have a way of finding this main and thus he would get away with it without much loss to himself.

 

 

 

This is pretty much what they're doing now, but without closing the servers temporally, they just can't catch up to the overwhelming surplus of macroers.

 

 

 

Letting macroing run rampant is just like giving up- and a Runescape Deppresion is just going to severely hurt the legitimate players, as well as simply encourage more cheating. If you think macroing is bad now just imagine what it would be like.. :shock:

[Scorpiona]

I try to be civil, and I get a response that calls my post a waste of space? Rofl, I should have just kept my original post. To put it simply, it ended in "gtfo". Maybe you should try that.

 

 

 

And no, macroers still shouldn't remain due to your pathetic reasoning. It doesn't matter if they balance out the damn economy. Every last one of the pathetic, lazy bums that use them deserve to be banned. Honestly, I'm glad you lost four mains. Why don't you run off and lose a fifth? Do us all a favor. Don't come bsing the Tip.It forums with your crap.

 

 

 

I said your overzealous high-and-mighty rants against cheating were a waste of space, not to mention your flaming and personal attacks against me.

 

 

 

 

 

Cheating is wrong, don't do it, but don't act like an [wagon] about it. Which word didn't you understand?

 

 

 

I didn't say macroers should remain, I said that they were an important part of the economy. Try reading my post -- I don't advocate them staying, I advocate them being either utterly eradicated or let to run unchecked (as this would wipe them out as well), not treated half-assedly like Jagex is doing. Try reading my very first post again if that was too complex for you, and in the meantime, you can stay off my thread if you can't get over yourself.

 

 

 

I'm sorry if you consider this "harsh," but at the moment, my tolerance for you is at an all-time low.

 

 

 

Buh-bye!

 

 

 

Off-topic- Dude, you really need to take a chill pill, he just misunderstood your thoughts.. By the way, nobody likes to see you cuss, especially the mods..

 

 

 

On-topic- Define "utterly eradicated'- mass IP bans..? But it is possible to change your IP relatively easily, certainly for an average hacker.. Honestly, Jagex is doing the best they can, but even so, there are thousands of bots being created each day..

 

 

 

Just look at the numbers-

 

Let's say that there are, out of all the people who play runescape, 1000 hackers/bot developers/bot users-

 

If each of these people creates/uses 5 bots each day, thats 5000 bots being created/used each day..

 

Only a handful of these bots will be caught marcoing, lets say 2/10's(Jagex is doing a so-called half***ed job as you say -.- ), so like 200..

 

Thus, in a week, thats about 35,000 bots- as soon as Jagex bans one, theres always another to take it's place..

 

 

 

It's an unwinnable war I'm afraid, unless Jagex does what they did to Classic- close all accounts to new members for a period of time- and mass ban all accounts even suspected of macroing..

 

However, these accounts are absolutely worthless to macroers- all they care about is their mains- so Jagex would have to develop trading logs of accounts suspected of macroing, to hunt down the main and kill it :twisted:

 

However, if they mass-ban the little noob accounts, they no longer have a way of finding this main and thus he would get away with it without much loss to himself.

 

 

 

This is pretty much what they're doing now, but without closing the servers temporally, they just can't catch up to the overwhelming surplus of macroers.

 

 

 

Letting macroing run rampant is just like giving up- and a Runescape Deppresion is just going to severely hurt the legitimate players, as well as simply encourage more cheating. If you think macroing is bad now just imagine what it would be like.. :shock:

 

 

 

Yeah, yeah. I should've just let him be an idiot, but I do so enjoy getting the last laugh.

 

 

 

After a quick tally from some of the leading cheating forums...

 

245,700 cheaters every day, generally with around 3-20 bots each. That's a conservative estimate. :P

 

 

 

Exactly, it's an undefeatable battle -- which is why I think the only way to get rid of cheaters entirely is by destroying the RuneScape market -- which won't happen, but is the only long-term way I can see to remove bots / gold farmers / rw traders from the game.

 

 

 

Incidentally, Jagex does have a (somewhat ineffective now since just about every cheater knows how to circumvent it) method of tracking the mains of macroers. I wrote a post about it here: http://forum.tip.it/viewtopic.php?p=5023647#5023647

[Ancient_Mystic]

Alright. Ive been looking at alot of you guys arguments. But I havent read all. Just most.

 

 

 

The thoughts that come to mind has to do with an old saying.

 

 

 

Im new so I dont know if this is allowed to be said to public.

 

 

 

-> If u cant beat them join them.

 

 

 

With a mass of people, we boycott(If spelled right) runescape.

 

Everyone everywhere uses macros and bots and what so.

 

This is to those who are angry at rs macros that makes rs life boring to those who actually play fair. With this massive amount of "Cheaters" playing we players(or those who do) will have Jagex cornered with 2 options.

 

 

 

1. Find a realistic possible solution to stop ALL or MOST runescape cheaters.

 

 

 

OR

 

 

 

2. Lose all of their players; crash n' burn.

 

 

 

To be fair: i no most of you guys will say: how is that suppose to stop macroers if we just raise macroing.

 

 

 

With the overload of macroers dramatically increased, those new to rs will judge rs with thoughts such as: Why play this game when theres so many cheaters? Therefore making new or existing users move to a different game.

 

 

 

Although keep in mind - This is my opinion.

 

If you gotta rant it be my guest.

 

 

 

Edited:

 

My Bad :-w

 

After posting this i just found the rules.

 

 

 

Edited:

 

Dont attempt this or you will be banned.

 

I posted this to see the respond of rs players.

 

I do no that this will never ever happen in the history of mankind as well.

 

So dont be heroic and try.

[PastyGangsta]

Also, Jagex doesn't IP ban. Yes, macroers are a plague, but they aren't being removed. Their job is being made temporarily harder by mediocre stumbling blocks that Jagex pops out every once in a while, like a new random.

 

 

 

Jagex does IP ban, but it is so easy to get around it.

 

 

 

[hide=This is how.]

 

 

 

To get around an IP ban you need a static IP (not sure where to get one but they exist) and an unsigned Java applet.

 

 

 

Simple and easy, how do I know this you may wonder?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm a nerd, I know stuff. :D

 

[/hide]

[Parsa]

if you wanna get rid of bots you gotta take thie custumers im sure you dont need to be told who that is

[Unoalexi]

I try to be civil, and I get a response that calls my post a waste of space? Rofl, I should have just kept my original post. To put it simply, it ended in "gtfo". Maybe you should try that.

 

 

 

And no, macroers still shouldn't remain due to your pathetic reasoning. It doesn't matter if they balance out the damn economy. Every last one of

 

the pathetic, lazy bums that use them deserve to be banned. Honestly, I'm glad you lost four mains. Why don't you run off and lose a fifth? Do us all a favor. Don't come bsing the Tip.It forums with your crap.

 

 

 

I said your overzealous high-and-mighty rants against cheating were a waste of space, not to mention your flaming and personal attacks against me.

 

 

 

 

 

Cheating is wrong, don't do it, but don't act like an [wagon] about it. Which word didn't you understand?

 

 

 

I didn't say macroers should remain, I said that they were an important part of the economy. Try reading my post -- I don't advocate them staying, I advocate them being either utterly eradicated or let to run unchecked (as this would wipe them out as well), not treated half-assedly like Jagex is doing. Try reading my very first post again if that was too complex for you, and in the meantime, you can stay off my thread if you can't get over yourself.

 

 

 

I'm sorry if you consider this "harsh," but at the moment, my tolerance for you is at an all-time low.

 

 

 

Buh-bye!

 

 

 

Off-topic- Dude, you really need to take a chill pill, he just misunderstood your thoughts.. By the way, nobody likes to see you cuss, especially the mods..

 

 

 

On-topic- Define "utterly eradicated'- mass IP bans..? But it is possible to change your IP relatively easily, certainly for an average hacker.. Honestly, Jagex is doing the best they can, but even so, there are thousands of bots being created each day..

 

 

 

Just look at the numbers-

 

Let's say that there are, out of all the people who play runescape, 1000 hackers/bot developers/bot users-

 

If each of these people creates/uses 5 bots each day, thats 5000 bots being created/used each day..

 

Only a handful of these bots will be caught marcoing, lets say 2/10's(Jagex is doing a so-called half***ed job as you say -.- ), so like 200..

 

Thus, in a week, thats about 35,000 bots- as soon as Jagex bans one, theres always another to take it's place..

 

 

 

It's an unwinnable war I'm afraid, unless Jagex does what they did to Classic- close all accounts to new members for a period of time- and mass ban all accounts even suspected of macroing..

 

However, these accounts are absolutely worthless to macroers- all they care about is their mains- so Jagex would have to develop trading logs of accounts suspected of macroing, to hunt down the main and kill it :twisted:

 

However, if they mass-ban the little noob accounts, they no longer have a way of finding this main and thus he would get away with it without much loss to himself.

 

 

 

This is pretty much what they're doing now, but without closing the servers temporally, they just can't catch up to the overwhelming surplus of macroers.

 

 

 

Letting macroing run rampant is just like giving up- and a Runescape Deppresion is just going to severely hurt the legitimate players, as well as simply encourage more cheating. If you think macroing is bad now just imagine what it would be like.. :shock:

 

 

 

Yeah, yeah. I should've just let him be an idiot, but I do so enjoy getting the last laugh.

 

 

 

After a quick tally from some of the leading cheating forums...

 

245,700 cheaters every day, generally with around 3-20 bots each. That's a conservative estimate. :P

 

 

 

Exactly, it's an undefeatable battle -- which is why I think the only way to get rid of cheaters entirely is by destroying the RuneScape market -- which won't happen, but is the only long-term way I can see to remove bots / gold farmers / rw traders from the game.

 

 

 

Incidentally, Jagex does have a (somewhat ineffective now since just about every cheater knows how to circumvent it) method of tracking the mains of macroers. I wrote a post about it here: http://forum.tip.it/viewtopic.php?p=5023647#5023647

 

 

 

Holy... :ohnoes: :shock: :shock: ....

 

I had no utter idea.. wow..

 

Really I was just trying to make a ball park example, but it appears I was so, so, wrong.. If there really are that many, then drastic times call for drastic measures- like you said, destroying the Runescape market.

 

 

 

However, simply making sharks and yews cost 1g ea won't be very effective-It would only piss off the yew cutters and shark fishers who fish/cut for a living, for it wouldn't decrease the value of the gold itself, just the individual items-there would still be people buying gold, and thus the macroers would simply move on to another resource, or macro faster and longer in order to still gain a profit (I think you have already said this, but I am too lazy to search the thread and find out).

 

Instead, you would have to find a more direct way to decrease the value of the gold itself- Like, for several months, have a special npc that gives out free mills to all players who talk to him every hour.

 

This would certainly cause inflation, and the demand for runescape gold would plummet because the people who usually bought gold would just get it for free. Thus, the gold companies would simply move on to a different game.

 

This gets rid of a large portion of the autos on runescape, but not quite all of them, because there's still 'personal' marcos gathering resources for their mains and those creating macros for 'programing experience'. Perhaps both methods could be used in conjunction? Maybe, if botters decide that running macros is harder than simply buying the supplies on their mains for 1g ea... But would they still find an incentive to macro even after that? I really don't have any idea-you obviously know more about the macroing community(if there is such thing -.- ) for obvious reasons :wink:

 

After all this.. there is still the immense problem of fixing the economy, and who's to say that the bot companies wont simply come back after it's back to normal... :wall:

[Scorpiona]

Also, Jagex doesn't IP ban. Yes, macroers are a plague, but they aren't being removed. Their job is being made temporarily harder by mediocre stumbling blocks that Jagex pops out every once in a while, like a new random.

 

 

 

Jagex does IP ban, but it is so easy to get around it.

 

 

 

[hide=This is how.]

 

 

 

To get around an IP ban you need a static IP (not sure where to get one but they exist) and an unsigned Java applet.

 

 

 

Simple and easy, how do I know this you may wonder?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm a nerd, I know stuff. :D

 

[/hide]

 

 

 

Yes, getting around an IP ban is easy, but Jagex doesn't IP ban. I explain it here: http://forum.tip.it/viewtopic.php?t=687801#5059747

 

 

 

EDIT:

 

Also, I'm pretty sure you don't actually understand the true process of getting around IP bans -- after all, if you were really "a nerd who knows stuff," you would know the difference between static and dynamic IPs, and a signed and unsigned Java applet. A dynamic (or constantly changing) IP is an easy way to get around an IP ban, a static IP is an IP that never changes (static == unchanging). Because the signed and unsigned applets use different cache directories and have to be coded differently due to the security restrictions the unsigned applet runs with, they are effectively sandboxed to different environments, complete with different cache contents and UIDs -- but it still won't hide your IP from Jagex by simply using unsigned instead of signed or vice versa.

[Scorpiona]

 

Holy... :ohnoes: :shock: :shock: ....

 

I had no utter idea.. wow..

 

Really I was just trying to make a ball park example, but it appears I was so, so, wrong.. If there really are that many, then drastic times call for drastic measures- like you said, destroying the Runescape market.

 

 

 

However, simply making sharks and yews cost 1g ea won't be very effective-It would only piss off the yew cutters and shark fishers who fish/cut for a living, for it wouldn't decrease the value of the gold itself, just the individual items-there would still be people buying gold, and thus the macroers would simply move on to another resource, or macro faster and longer in order to still gain a profit (I think you have already said this, but I am too lazy to search the thread and find out).

 

Instead, you would have to find a more direct way to decrease the value of the gold itself- Like, for several months, have a special npc that gives out free mills to all players who talk to him every hour.

 

This would certainly cause inflation, and the demand for runescape gold would plummet because the people who usually bought gold would just get it for free. Thus, the gold companies would simply move on to a different game.

 

This gets rid of a large portion of the autos on runescape, but not quite all of them, because there's still 'personal' marcos gathering resources for their mains and those creating macros for 'programing experience'. Perhaps both methods could be used in conjunction? Maybe, if botters decide that running macros is harder than simply buying the supplies on their mains for 1g ea... But would they still find an incentive to macro even after that? I really don't have any idea-you obviously know more about the macroing community(if there is such thing -.- ) for obvious reasons :wink:

 

After all this.. there is still the immense problem of fixing the economy, and who's to say that the bot companies wont simply come back after it's back to normal... :wall:

 

 

 

The macroing community is enormous, just so you know. That number is nowhere near accurate, I only took figures from two or three forums out of the literal thousands existing and added them together -- and those are only current statistics, several of these sites have had mergers, ownership changes, database resets, etc, all of which would reset the count back to zero, in addition to some cheating sites which no longer exist (publicly) but still have a large userbase. Cheating is big. :P

 

 

 

As you were saying, personal macroing is also a big issue -- but a significantly less treatable one. After all, even if most people in RuneScape can confidently say they've never power macroed for fun and profit; how many can say they've never used an autoclicker for alching or an autoteleporter when they had to burn 20k Camelot teleports? After all, it's only on their main, and they weren't really hurting anyone by doing it is the rallying cry, and that sort of "not so bad" mentality is exactly the problem that keeps casual cheating alive.

 

 

 

You've pretty much summed it all up: short of drastic, massive changes that will obliterate the RuneScape economy we used to know, there isn't a treatment for the horde of macroers that are sweeping RuneScape, and even if they are eradicated, as soon as the market heals they'll come right back.

 

 

 

Not a fun thought.

[ktmcf121]

so im not sure i entirely understand your argument.

 

 

 

you say the only way to get rid of macroers is to kill the gp-usd market. i understand that part. however, you said that the best way to do that is to let the macroers run wild and saturate the market with too many goods. this will most likely be the end of runescape as we know it since the legitimate players will most likely be disgusted with the amount of cheating and quit playing.

 

 

 

however, assuming that we find a way to crash the market and keep the game running smoothly, the macroers will only come back after a while, when the market stabilizes again.....

 

 

 

what's your solution for keeping the macroers away from the game?

 

 

 

i'm sorry if i misunderstood anything or misquoted something, it's like 12:30 am here and i'm a little out of my mind after doing thermo homework. -.-

[Scorpiona]

so im not sure i entirely understand your argument.

 

 

 

you say the only way to get rid of macroers is to kill the gp-usd market. i understand that part. however, you said that the best way to do that is to let the macroers run wild and saturate the market with too many goods. this will most likely be the end of runescape as we know it since the legitimate players will most likely be disgusted with the amount of cheating and quit playing.

 

 

 

however, assuming that we find a way to crash the market and keep the game running smoothly, the macroers will only come back after a while, when the market stabilizes again.....

 

 

 

what's your solution for keeping the macroers away from the game?

 

 

 

i'm sorry if i misunderstood anything or misquoted something, it's like 12:30 am here and i'm a little out of my mind after doing thermo homework. -.-

 

 

 

I was only citing the macroers over-running the game as one example of how integrated they are with the RuneScape market, I explain in more detail in some of my other posts.

[Omar]

Like the randoms and such, this would be a speed bump, and it would hurt players. They'll come back later. This is only a large speed bump.

 

Stopping players from making new accounts is just a large speed bump like this one too. Maybe if Jagex Google'd "Runescape macros", they would easily find the websites that give the macros. Sure, some macroers make them on their own, but I think this could stop quite a few of them. I recently sent 10 websites through customer support, and I haven't been replied to yet.

[Scorpiona]

Like the randoms and such, this would be a speed bump, and it would hurt players. They'll come back later. This is only a large speed bump.

 

Stopping players from making new accounts is just a large speed bump like this one too. Maybe if Jagex Google'd "Runescape macros", they would easily find the websites that give the macros. Sure, some macroers make them on their own, but I think this could stop quite a few of them. I recently sent 10 websites through customer support, and I haven't been replied to yet.

 

 

 

Like I said above, there is no real way to stop macroing, but eliminating the market for GP-to-USD is the only thing that comes close.

 

 

 

Jagex can't do anything about cheating sites, Jagex isn't even legally allowed to visit, download, or use macroing sites and software. Because (to quote one of my other posts):

 

 

 

Also, you cite shutting down real life trading or GP buying sites. Unfortunately for Jagex, as they are a legitimate company, they can't resort to guerrilla methods. In fact, for this purpose exclusively, many cheating sites force users to accept a disclaimer stating they are not an employee, family member, affiliate, or in any way whatsoever linked to Jagex Ltd. to enter.

 

 

 

 

Even if Jagex attempted to file a lawsuit against a UK-hosted gold selling site, Jagex themselves would have to accept liability for violating the terms of service forbidding them from entering.

[Unoalexi]

I have thought it over all day, and I believe I have come up with an answer- Jagex would make it nearly impossible to have more than one active account. Now, this may sound a tad extreme for all you people out there who have pures, but this is the only fool-proof method for curing the macro plague for good.

 

 

 

Now, how would they enforce this? Well it's actually quite simple- each active account has to be tied to a legitimate credit card to be able to log on Note that I'm not saying we should get rid of F2P- Jagex would not bill you, they would just use this number to significantly reduce the vast numbers of macros being created each day.

 

 

 

This could also be a better way to enforce permanent bands- they would band the credit card number so it couldn't be used to create another account.

 

 

 

A unique number would be needed for each account, therefore this would get rid of a large potion of member's macroers too. However, this would render the use of the other payment methods for members irrelevant, but it's ether this or an incurable macro plague.

 

 

 

Only one question remains- would Jagex be willing to cut the dough from the members macros out of their pocket books..? -.-

[henk333]

No offence, but that's actually a horrible idea. I doubt more than 50% of members even HAS a creditcard, let alone f2p. Jagex isn't adding alternative payment methods just because they can, they do it to get the money from people that don't have a creditcard.

 

 

 

 

 

@scorpiona; You make a valid point, but only because of the age of the runescape market. If Runescape were to reset tomorrow or Runescape 3 was started the game could work itself out completely clean of autoers, i.e. it wouldn't NEED autoers to sustain the market. Sadly that's only theoretical, because if Jagex found a cure to kill off all autoers instantly, the current market would indeed crash.

 

 

 

What I don't really get is your respons to some of the reactions here. Your state of mind obviously is "macroers exist, deal with it", but most players, actually most people, seriously detest cheating. I bet you do aswell, but runescape isn't really close to home for you. Let's say your dream job was out there (either something in IT or goatmilking, judging by your sig ;) ) , you go there for an interview and see your 1 of 10 possible people for the job. When your interview ends the next applicant walks in, drops $10,000 on the table and gets the job instantly. All your efford is lost, just because somebody can drop $10,000 on the table. Most people react from that feeling, so are more emotionial in their reasoning.

[Scorpiona]

What I don't really get is your respons to some of the reactions here. Your state of mind obviously is "macroers exist, deal with it", but most players, actually most people, seriously detest cheating. I bet you do aswell, but runescape isn't really close to home for you. Let's say your dream job was out there (either something in IT or goatmilking, judging by your sig ;) ) , you go there for an interview and see your 1 of 10 possible people for the job. When your interview ends the next applicant walks in, drops $10,000 on the table and gets the job instantly. All your efford is lost, just because somebody can drop $10,000 on the table. Most people react from that feeling, so are more emotionial in their reasoning.

 

 

 

I can understand, to an extent, the anger that people feel against cheaters, but I dislike the bloodthirstily overzealous attitude many normal players seem to have about cheating. I see tons of people complaining about macroers, and calling them "greedy" and "lazy", but all I see from their arguments is: "I want macroers to go away so prices on all my stuff can go up and I can get rich selling them without doing anything." I consider that completely hypocritical.

 

 

 

However, coming from a cheating background, I realize that cheating is wrong, but I don't detest them to the extent that the people here do. I still have friends in the cheating community who I talk to regularly. Just because they're doing something that I know is wrong, that doesn't automatically make them greedy, lazy human garbage.

 

 

 

As for your last point, if that happened, I'd accept it as the other applicant being better prepared than me. I can never end cheating, just like I can never end worldwide crime, but I can accept that it does happen, however unfairly.

 

 

 

So yes, you're right. My view on cheating itself is primarily: "Cheating is wrong. Live with it."

[JackleKrawl]

I went and made an account just for this =/ The fishing, mining, runecraft, rune ess autoers, those are the autoers that really contribute to the economy. Woodcutting autoers are problems on f2p. But really and truly, this game blows so bad that without 'thousands of accounts being created for the purpose of evil' the prices would go up, and it would be even worse. Me, I'm scripter and I'm proud of it. Cry at me if you will, but an essence miner selling at low low prices, as horrible as it may sound for your ears, it's helping. Jagex screwed runecraft over. What most people see is something along the lines of 'ZOMG! 3x THE PRICES TO MAKE THE GOOD RUNES!' which is total [cabbage] by itself. But to make things worse, now that people don't auto essence enough, NO ONE ON F2P CAN FIND ESSENCE! Most people when that update came out were thinking along the lines of 'it'll balance out, the regular essence will cost less, the pure essence will cost more! Good update Jagex, the world will be a better place now!'

 

 

 

Want to know the reasons? F2P originally sold ALL of the essence. Noobies made easy money, rcers made very good money, everyone won. It was a positive relationship. Then Jagex is sad because 'ZOMG! THE PEOPLE WHO WROTE SCRIPTS ARE MAKING MONEY AND HELPING THEMSELVES AND EVERYONE AT THE SAME TIME!' So eventually out comes mass ip bans which didn't matter but everyone was looking at since it was pleasing to the eye. After all, no one likes autoers, even if they are doing rs a favor.

 

 

 

Along with mass ip bans that didn't do worth [cabbage], comes the pure essence. This handy little update has FOUR major effects, two of which not many people have made a connection to.

 

 

 

1.Prices of essence goes up

 

2.More essence is mined on members servers, Jagex gets more money because AUTOERS don't get refunds. They can still ban you on a past offence they have not caught.

 

3.Since more essence is mined on members servers, F2P has trouble buying essence without it costing itself extra.

 

4.and the big one.....

 

F2P CAN'T FIND ITS OWN ESSENCE BECAUSE FORUMS ARE USED FOR PURE ESSENCE! WHY WOULD A MEMBER SELL REG ESSENCE WHEN IT CAN GET 3-4 TIMES AS MUCH?

 

NO ONE BUYS MEMBERSHIP TO RUN BETWEEN BANKS AND ALTARS THUS, THIS IS SHOVED OUT OF JAGEX'S FORUMS.

 

 

 

God you people and your ignorance is absolutely amazing. All you seem to have is jealousy of us for writing our damn scripts. It's not like we care about Jagex all that much, it's just a favor we're doing. Practice for future programming for me, a buttload of extra things for you. So long as the rest of them do their part and get the money off their autoers in time via death trading, then its a win-win for the RS Economy.

[JackleKrawl]

Oh yeah, and Jagex COULD stomp out scripting itself. The company just wants money from scripters instead, keyword - NO REFUNDS. This means Jagex would LIKE to wait for you to buy membership, BEFORE killing your account.

[Unoalexi]

I stand corrected, -.- but don't think that because I think it's really impossible to help the macroing situation it means that I don't despise macroers- I do. I loathe them tremendously in fact. If it were possible to kill people outside the wild for one day I would spend that day killing macroers.

[Omar]

I went and made an account just for this =/ The fishing, mining, runecraft, rune ess autoers, those are the autoers that really contribute to the economy. Woodcutting autoers are problems on f2p. But really and truly, this game blows so bad that without 'thousands of accounts being created for the purpose of evil' the prices would go up, and it would be even worse. Me, I'm scripter and I'm proud of it. Cry at me if you will, but an essence miner selling at low low prices, as horrible as it may sound for your ears, it's helping. Jagex screwed runecraft over. What most people see is something along the lines of 'ZOMG! 3x THE PRICES TO MAKE THE GOOD RUNES!' which is total [cabbage] by itself. But to make things worse, now that people don't auto essence enough, NO ONE ON F2P CAN FIND ESSENCE! Most people when that update came out were thinking along the lines of 'it'll balance out, the regular essence will cost less, the pure essence will cost more! Good update Jagex, the world will be a better place now!'

 

 

 

Want to know the reasons? F2P originally sold ALL of the essence. Noobies made easy money, rcers made very good money, everyone won. It was a positive relationship. Then Jagex is sad because 'ZOMG! THE PEOPLE WHO WROTE SCRIPTS ARE MAKING MONEY AND HELPING THEMSELVES AND EVERYONE AT THE SAME TIME!' So eventually out comes mass ip bans which didn't matter but everyone was looking at since it was pleasing to the eye. After all, no one likes autoers, even if they are doing rs a favor.

 

 

 

Along with mass ip bans that didn't do worth [cabbage], comes the pure essence. This handy little update has FOUR major effects, two of which not many people have made a connection to.

 

 

 

1.Prices of essence goes up

 

2.More essence is mined on members servers, Jagex gets more money because AUTOERS don't get refunds. They can still ban you on a past offence they have not caught.

 

3.Since more essence is mined on members servers, F2P has trouble buying essence without it costing itself extra.

 

4.and the big one.....

 

F2P CAN'T FIND ITS OWN ESSENCE BECAUSE FORUMS ARE USED FOR PURE ESSENCE! WHY WOULD A MEMBER SELL REG ESSENCE WHEN IT CAN GET 3-4 TIMES AS MUCH?

 

NO ONE BUYS MEMBERSHIP TO RUN BETWEEN BANKS AND ALTARS THUS, THIS IS SHOVED OUT OF JAGEX'S FORUMS.

 

 

 

God you people and your ignorance is absolutely amazing. All you seem to have is jealousy of us for writing our damn scripts. It's not like we care about Jagex all that much, it's just a favor we're doing. Practice for future programming for me, a buttload of extra things for you. So long as the rest of them do their part and get the money off their autoers in time via death trading, then its a win-win for the RS Economy.

 

It's a win-win-lose situation, for people like me who mine essence. Autoers obviously mean price drop. When I was hacked, I mined essence to make my way back up and get a solid money basis. The autoers meant bad money for me, so I ended up in an iron chain, a black longsword and boots killing hill giants under the laughter of the people around me to make money. Everyone's happy right?

[JackleKrawl]

No...Its a win-win situation. Theres no third party, because there isn't a skill completely dedicated to the production of essence. Even if you considered it like that, you're wrong. 30 each is actually pretty high, why? Because if it were higher, chances are the World 16 Air Rune company wouldn't exist. Also, you can't blame MOST macroers here, why? Because most macroers are as slimey as Jagex - There for the money. Theres no reason most of them would stick around in mines that you have to do a quest for anyways, and the scripts for getting through tutorial island and completing Rune Mysteries don't work anymore most likely. The problem here is the way you see things. How? Because prices change over time, and it changes not so much with amount, but how much its selling per. Back then it was about 30-35 ea, it was actually HIGH for the macroers. Thus it HELPED miners such as yourself, the only thing that may have mattered is Supply and Demand.

[henk333]

What I don't really get is your respons to some of the reactions here. Your state of mind obviously is "macroers exist, deal with it", but most players, actually most people, seriously detest cheating. I bet you do aswell, but runescape isn't really close to home for you. Let's say your dream job was out there (either something in IT or goatmilking, judging by your sig ;) ) , you go there for an interview and see your 1 of 10 possible people for the job. When your interview ends the next applicant walks in, drops $10,000 on the table and gets the job instantly. All your efford is lost, just because somebody can drop $10,000 on the table. Most people react from that feeling, so are more emotionial in their reasoning.

 

 

 

I can understand, to an extent, the anger that people feel against cheaters, but I dislike the bloodthirstily overzealous attitude many normal players seem to have about cheating. I see tons of people complaining about macroers, and calling them "greedy" and "lazy", but all I see from their arguments is: "I want macroers to go away so prices on all my stuff can go up and I can get rich selling them without doing anything." I consider that completely hypocritical.

 

 

 

However, coming from a cheating background, I realize that cheating is wrong, but I don't detest them to the extent that the people here do. I still have friends in the cheating community who I talk to regularly. Just because they're doing something that I know is wrong, that doesn't automatically make them greedy, lazy human garbage.

 

 

 

As for your last point, if that happened, I'd accept it as the other applicant being better prepared than me. I can never end cheating, just like I can never end worldwide crime, but I can accept that it does happen, however unfairly.

 

 

 

So yes, you're right. My view on cheating itself is primarily: "Cheating is wrong. Live with it."

 

 

 

It doesnÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâôt make them automatically greedy, lazy human garbage because you know them personally ;) Most people around here feel pretty strongly about Runescape (I used to be one of them), so if they see someone cheating the game their first response is anger. I actually still think that response is legitimate. Just because autoing keeps the prices down doesn't mean we should condone it. When I was still playing I would have happily paid 1k per coal or flax or gathered it myself if it would have meant there would be no more autoers in the game.

 

 

 

As for the bolded part of your answer... I don't believe you. If that really was your dreamjob, the someone else getting it should be earning it, not just "having come better prepared". If you can really shrug off losing your dream job to a guy that "cheats" to get it, you and I might aswell be different species because I simply cannot understand that.

[Omar]

Pinguin, I agree with the last point in your post. Jake(probably misspellt), I'll have to re-read what you said tomorrow, I'm very tired right now, so my brain is only half functioning.