Just so everyone is clear and to help prevent people from posting stupid replies without reading the thread:

 

I Fully Know and Understand the Assist System!

 

 

 

Wait, one more thing to add to prevent stupid replies:

 

Read the Whole Dang Thread!!!

 

 

 

Ok, moving on...

 

 

 

We all (or most) know that the Assist System was an update to help prevent Trust-Trades. For those who do not know what a TT (going to call it that from now on) is, I'll explain it.

 

A TT is where you give an item to someone, so that they can do something to it that you are unable to do. After they finish, they then give the final product to you.

 

Example: You need someone to cut your Uncut Diamond. You find someone with the Crafting level to do so and then give them your Uncut. Then that person cuts the Diamond and gives it back.

 

 

 

Since many people were getting scammed this way (the "assister" would take the item and run off with it) Jagex released the Assist System. What it does is it works just like a TT, but without the Trade.

 

Example: Just like the above example, you need your diamond cut. So you find someone with the Crafting level and then Request Assistance. That person then 'loans' his skill to you, so you can cut your own diamond, while he still gets the xp.

 

This prevents scammers from taking your Diamond and running off with it, because it'll be in your possession the entire time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'll remind you that the AS (going to call it that from now on as well) was used to prevent TT's. But I ask you, why does it also affect Extraction Skills?

 

To clarify, an Extraction Skill is a skill that is used to obtain, or extract, a raw material. Following is a list of all the Extraction skills:

 

~ Fishing

 

~ Hunter

 

~ Mining

 

~ Woodcutting

 

 

 

 

 

Since we're here now, I'll also explain Processing Skills

 

A Processing Skill does exactly what the name suggests. It processes. More specifically, raw materials and a few other products. The following is a list of the Processing Skills that the AS covers:

 

~ Crafting

 

~ RuneCrafting

 

~ Fletching

 

~ Construction

 

~ Magic

 

~ Smithing

 

~ Cooking

 

~ Herblore

 

 

Farming is a little bit of both Extraction and Processing.

 

 

 

So what I want to know, is why does the AS affect Extracting Skills?

 

The AS was created to prevent TT's for PROCESSING Skill services!

 

I don't know how a Trust-Trade can arise from an Extraction Skill, as nobody is at risk of being scammed.

 

 

So, my question to you, who has been patient enough to read all of this, is should we get rid of Extraction Skills being usable with the Assist System?

 

The AS is there for Trust-Trades, something that cannot arise from Extraction Skills.

 

I fully support the Assist System 100% even though I will not use it very often.

 

 

 

Pros

 

 

 

* First and foremost, it will end all those BEGGARS! Most people are complaining about this update because of the amount of beggars that have spawned because of it.

 

 

 

*Seeing as how Assisting with EXTRACTING skills is essentially the same thing as giving out free items, why not get rid of Assisting with those skills? That way, while you're getting the free items for someone, the person you're assisting can do something else.

 

Ex. If someone wanted you to assist a friend to get 1k willow, you can cut the 1k willow yourself (which is pretty much what you're doing with Assisting) while your friend is off doing something else.

 

 

 

 

Cons

 

 

 

* All those beggars would complain about it being taken away

 

 

 

 

Feel free to post any Pros & Cons, or other insights you would like to share. Also, it'd be helpful if you explained your decision. This is the Debate Forum, after all.

Stay.

 

 

 

~ Fishing

 

~ Hunter

 

~ Mining

 

~ Woodcutting

 

 

 

These can stay. Even if people try to multi-log on their mains to fish sharks, mine runite or etc.. it can only be for a 30k exp period per day. Therefore, no main threat to the economy. Beggars shouldn't complain anymore since they can fish it themselves.

 

 

 

They can stay because they cause no harm to the way we play and function in Runescape!

Oh yeah, and please explain your reasoning.

Stay.

 

 

 

It finally put an end to the "Trust Trade" thing. I can make amulets that I couldn't make at my current level with the help of friends. Those who don't like it can simply Decline. And 30k exp/24 hrs isn't alot.

 

 

 

Crafting is a Processing skill, not an Extracting one (the one I want you to decide on to keep or not).

Stay.

 

 

 

~ Fishing

 

~ Hunter

 

~ Mining

 

~ Woodcutting

 

 

 

These can stay. Even if people try to multi-log on their mains to fish sharks, mine runite or etc.. it can only be for a 30k exp period per day. Therefore, no main threat to the economy. Beggars shouldn't complain anymore since they can fish it themselves.

 

 

 

Why would people multi-log to train their main, when they can just use their main to train their main? Kinda pointless to use one of your account to train another of your accounts.

I meant multi-log from their PKer with 1 fishing with their main with 99 fishing to "assist" them to catch sharks.

I meant multi-log from their PKer with 1 fishing with their main with 99 fishing to "assist" them to catch sharks.

 

See, what you don't realize is that that was possible before. People would use their main and drop trade or multi-log then trade. In fact, it'd be easier to just use your main to get the items first, then multi-log for a trade instead of multi-logging the entire time.

 

Extraction Skills are essentially someone getting an item and giving it away to the person you're assisting.

I meant multi-log from their PKer with 1 fishing with their main with 99 fishing to "assist" them to catch sharks.

 

See, what you don't realize is that that was possible before. People would use their main and drop trade.

 

Extraction Skills are essentially someone getting an item and giving it away to the person you're assisting.

 

 

 

But it isn't as risky as drop-trading.

 

 

 

But it isn't as risky as drop-trading.

 

 

 

You can multi-log, then trade instead of drop trading. That way, you're not running 2 accounts for the entire time, and just for 30 seconds for a trade.

Btw, you still haven't explained why they should stay. You just said some ways people could abuse them.

 

 

 

But it isn't as risky as drop-trading.

 

 

 

You can multi-log, then trade instead of drop trading. That way, you're not running 2 accounts for the entire time, and just for 30 seconds for a trade.

 

 

 

But what if they aren't doing it for the cash, they just want raw sharks?

Okay listen very closely.

 

What you're suggesting is having 2 accounts multi-log for the entire time it takes to get the resources.

 

Why not just use your main, get the resources, then multi-log to trade it to your pker?

 

 

 

 

You can multi-log, then trade instead of drop trading. That way, you're not running 2 accounts for the entire time, and just for 30 seconds for a trade.

 

 

 

But what if they aren't doing it for the cash, they just want raw sharks?

 

 

 

That doesn't make any sense, whatsoever.

 

 

 

EDIT: I don't like discussing multi-logging because it is off topic as well as against the rules, so try to end this quick.

Absolutely nothing.

 

They can stay because they cause no harm to the way we play and function in Runescape!

 

 

 

They also do no good. It's increased the amount of beggars (for skills not items.) In fact, I can't stay in Catherby without hearing people beg high levels for skills.

 

Whenever I hear someone asking for assistance in an extracting skill, this is what they say:

 

Low: I need assistance in fishing sharks!

 

 

 

And this is what I hear:

 

Low: Fish some sharks, then give them to me for free!

 

 

 

If you were walking past Catherby a week ago, you would've stopped and called that guy a noob. And like I asked how does the Assist System prevent Trust Trades with extraction skills?!

I'd say no.

 

 

 

Since you are immobile when you are assisting someone, you cannot also skill.

 

 

 

EX. If someone wants to use your WC to cut magics and you assist them. They can be cutting the trees while you just stay there. It does not make a difference. It's like you are woodcutting the magics.

 

 

 

Addressing the beggars. Simply turn your assist to friends or off. Problem solved. If they presist to bother you, your ignore list is smiling at you with open arms.

 

 

 

EDIT: BTW, can you change the color of the font? The blue is fine but the other hurts my eyes.

Since you are immobile when you are assisting someone, you cannot also skill.

 

 

 

Read the ENTIRE thread. I never once asked for you to be able to do stuff while assisting.

 

 

 

EX. If someone wants to use your WC to cut magics and you assist them. They can be cutting the trees while you just stay there.

 

If someone wants to use your WC skill, why don't you just cut them yourself then give it to them? That's how it used to be done. The Assist System was made for preventing trust trades, not to change how something was already done, as well as lead to an increase in beggars.

 

 

 

It does not make a difference. It's like you are woodcutting the magics.

 

I do understand it's like you are cutting the logs.

 

And yes, it does make a difference. If you were to assist someone with cutting magics, while you do it yourself, your friend can go off and do a quest, then when he gets back, you can give the logs to him.

 

Instead of using up the time on 1 task, you can use up the time on 2.

 

That example alone makes the Assist System for EXTRACTING skills obsolete.

 

 

 

 

 

Addressing the beggars. Simply turn your assist to friends or off. Problem solved. If they presist to bother you, your ignore list is smiling at you with open arms.

 

 

 

 

 

I do know about the ignore button, and all that, but if getting rid of beggars as well as an unnecessary waste of time, they should do it.

 

Then, you can just have random people ask you to give them free stuff like it used to be.

 

 

 

EDIT: BTW, can you change the color of the font? The blue is fine but the other hurts my eyes.

 

Use the Font Colour when posting.

Since you are immobile when you are assisting someone, you cannot also skill.

 

 

 

Read the ENTIRE thread. I never once asked for you to be able to do stuff while assisting.

 

 

 

And I never focused on that topic. It was an example.

 

 

 

EX. If someone wants to use your WC to cut magics and you assist them. They can be cutting the trees while you just stay there.

 

If someone wants to use your WC skill, why don't you just cut them yourself then give it to them? That's how it used to be done. The Assist System was made for preventing trust trades, not to change how something was already done, as well as lead to an increase in beggars.

 

 

 

There is use for it. I agree there is little use for extracting skills being used, but there IS use. Agreeable? No? Ok then, lets say your friend has 85 mining but you don't. You are both members, but your friend has just become one. He needs money to start training some skills. He wants to mine rune, but the wilderness mines are too dangerous. Ah! But you have done Mourning Ends Part 2! You offer to him that he assists you to mine rune at the Light Temple. You get the rune ores from the Temple Mines, and split it howevet you agreed upon it. I do not think he has to be in the same area. I might be mistaken. If so, unless there are unseens ways to profit, I agree with you to have it removed.

 

 

 

There are many other examples of the usefullness. Varrock armor + mining, rare trees in remote locations, etc.

 

 

 

It does not make a difference. It's like you are woodcutting the magics.

 

I do understand it's like you are cutting the logs.

 

And yes, it does make a difference. If you were to assist someone with cutting magics, while you do it yourself, your friend can go off and do a quest, then when he gets back, you can give the logs to him.

 

Instead of using up the time on 1 task, you can use up the time on 2.

 

That example alone makes the Assist System for EXTRACTING skills obsolete.

 

 

 

^ See above ^ What if you don't have a D axe? It know it makes little difference since you could buy one, but still, if your friend does it makes a difference. I'm not sure if Assist allows you to use equipment. Just tell me it doesn't if I'm wrong and ignore this comment

 

 

 

 

 

Addressing the beggars. Simply turn your assist to friends or off. Problem solved. If they presist to bother you, your ignore list is smiling at you with open arms.

 

 

 

 

 

I do know about the ignore button, and all that, but if getting rid of beggars as well as an unnecessary waste of time, they should do it.

 

Then, you can just have random people ask you to give them free stuff like it used to be.

 

 

 

But ignoring people is a lot easier than removing part of the code, rewriting some of it, checking for mistakes, checking in case you deleted an important part of the code, and testing for bugs. Even if you have to dump 1000 people onto your list (removing too), I'm certain it'll take less time than doing all that. Have mercy on them

 

 

 

EDIT: BTW, can you change the color of the font? The blue is fine but the other hurts my eyes.

 

Use the Font Colour when posting.

 

 

 

I mean on your first post. The light-brownish color is hard to see. So could you change it to something a little easier to see?

 

 

 

Gah, I wrote up my reply and my browser closed on me. Comments in red.

 

There is use for it. I agree there is little use for extracting skills being used, but there IS use. Agreeable? No? Ok then, lets say your friend has 85 mining but you don't. You are both members, but your friend has just become one. He needs money to start training some skills. He wants to mine rune, but the wilderness mines are too dangerous. Ah! But you have done Mourning Ends Part 2! You offer to him that he assists you to mine rune at the Light Temple. You get the rune ores from the Temple Mines, and split it howevet you agreed upon it. I do not think he has to be in the same area. I might be mistaken. If so, unless there are unseens ways to profit, I agree with you to have it removed.

 

 

 

There are many other examples of the usefullness. Varrock armor + mining, rare trees in remote locations, etc.

 

 

 

Actually, you have to be within 20 steps of the assister, therefore it is useless.Also, if he lends you a d axe, its just another trust trade.

Tryto beat me to it.

 

 

 

You have to be within 20 squares to assist. And if any equipment is being loaned, that kinda ignores the entire existence of the assist system -.-

 

 

 

I have it olive colored because I find reading huge amounts of black text harder to read.

 

 

 

And what I was saying about the huge difference was this.

 

Assisting someone uses up the time of both people on 1 task. But since you're pretty much getting the resources and giving them away, what you can do is you can get the resources while your friend does something else. So then you're using your time more efficiently.

It doesn't make much sense to have the extraction skills there at first, but they do come in handy once in a while.

 

 

 

In truth, if they want them to be there, then I'm fine with it. It doesn't bother me since I'm not going to be loaning those skills out all the time. Besides, if I have to pass the time while they're harvesting tons of Adamant ore, I always have my Gameboy.

Having the assist system work for gathering skills is pointless and dumb.

I agree, being able to assist with extracting skills just wastes the time of two people. Like it's been said before, the person being assisted can be somewhere else being productive while the person with proper level can gather the materials.