Locutus_Of_Borg

How is it bad? There is a place for that sort of thing, hence its title 'Clan Wars.' How would a 99% PvP world even regulate the rules used in clan wars? The only difference is if you would want to have a war right outside of Lumbridge, at which point you have nothing to compare previous clan wars to. yeah but clan wars doesnt give you the adrenaline that old Pk'ing used to. when i Pk'ed (which wasnt often) my body froze, dunno why, but the immense amount of adrenaline in me. clan wars; its just run in, kill, insult the opposing team with "scarred" threats and walk off. sure PK you got pathetic oe-liners like "nice try noob", "what a noob", or "No prayer!". but its the adrenaline that SHOULD be given back to F2P since they too lost the old PK. The rush was from knowing you're risking your gear for something else. Turn on Items Lost On Death. The difference between having a clan war in the old level 30 wilderness and Clan Wars is that you can't run from a Clan War but still lose your items if you die. It's not longer as simple as "run in, kill, insult the opposing team". It's run in, try not to die, and then later try to rebuy gear your clan mates lost. And the FFA portals, they are built almost EXACTLY in the same fashion as the old Wilderness, just without a level system. Could you tell me in a nutshell exactly how old clan wars used to be compared to clan wars now with the ability to enforce rules.

Sure, they lose POTENTIAL ad money, but it wouldn't leave Jagex worse off than they are now. All they have to risk is gaining potential subscription money. The original what is better, original joke?

How is it bad? There is a place for that sort of thing, hence its title 'Clan Wars.' How would a 99% PvP world even regulate the rules used in clan wars? The only difference is if you would want to have a war right outside of Lumbridge, at which point you have nothing to compare previous clan wars to.

If they were here for only PvP, wouldn't they have quit, say, 9 months ago? I did, and came back for PvP. The people I've talked to in BH all say they are just killing time/practicing for the pvp servers. But you see, if the supposed 10% left 9 months ago, came back this month and then left again, wouldn't we pretty much end up where we are now with that supposed 10% still gone today?

OMG lol can i put tht in my siggy? Go right on ahead :D

If they were here for only PvP, wouldn't they have quit, say, 9 months ago?

So, say in a hypothetical situation 90% of F2P subscribed. Are you insinuating that it would be a bad thing since 90% of the ad money goes with them? In that sense, it's actually a bad thing to try to convince people to subscribe to the game? I don't see how more people paying Jagex has a negative effect on their business.

You know what's ironic? The Nazis were defeated in WW2 but there are still Pro-Nazi groups out there. Why should we have even bothered fighting in WW2 if we didn't completely remove the Nazis from the planet...

It's not very rare, it happens quite often. Whenever it says "Your dagger finds a [racist term] in the armor," that's when the effect has occurred. EDIT: Interesting, that word is censored....

I'm sure they've got the ignoring thing down to a science. RuneScapers complain every time there's any update. How many RuneScapers does it take to change a lightbulb? 10,001 1 to change the lightbulb. 10,000 to whine about changing it back.

Wouldn't making the PvP Worlds Members only be a very good incentive to subscribe? I think it'd be a very smooth business plan.

I've got to type this quick so it won't be as aesthetic or provoking as I want to it be at the moment. I'll update it as soon as it gets rolling. When I first read the update about PvP Worlds a while back, I was, like most people, excited at the prospect of a new, enormous PvP update. School had started up and I decided not to resubscribe my membership and let it run out. Even though I'm no longer a member, I have hoped that the PvP worlds would be P2P. It's a great incentive for people to subscribe. Although, I do know that if it were implemented as such, there would be many rants as to how F2P who used to have access to the old Wilderness PKing would be left out, pure accounts made on F2P not being able to be used, etc. This thread is to discuss the Positive and Negative impacts of having PvP Worlds being only P2P and/or F2P.

Way to completely contradict yourself there.

When I read this, I thought he was just being a stupid moron trying to "trick" people into trying to repeat the glitch by losing all their stuff in BH. Then I saw Laikrob's post and changed my mind.

I house hug like 1/4 the game and then tank in the middle because... I win anyways and the game ends faster? Only time I actually need to try to win is against like 120s+. People trying to get magic xp are awesome because I max out charges and get a ton of rank and tokens.

What the hell?! Like you suddenly come out and say "Hm, maybe mystic armour gives you an invisible magic level boost." Yeah, right... And Black D'hide has an invisible ranged boost and rune armour has an invisible strength one.... :roll: Void mage doesn't have an invisible magic level bonus, it has an magic attack bonus. What defines 'Attack' is the bonus in the Equipment Stat screen. 'Nuff said.

I didn't pluck the bonuses from my memory, I used the Knowledge Base as well. And if you want to include prayers, then whatever. The fact is, it is 10% to the Attack Bonus, not the level.

It's a common misconception that it is 10% your Ranged Level. It's 10% to Ranged Attack! Not level. Whatever your Ranged Attack bonus is (when you click the equipment screen) it is the bonus + 10%. So if you had a Ranged Attack bonus of +100, with full Ranged Void your actual bonus is +110. The same goes for the Mage helm with a 30% increase to your Magic Attack bonus. I'm not sure about Melee (since it could be the Attack bonus or Attack level) but following the trend, it could be for all the Attack bonuses.

I just say obvious things back. THEM: You runner noob! Me: You chaser noob! \ Then again, I don't run. I "house hug" then tank in the middle :D

Cowhides have always been in the 100-150 range :lol: I know, because I used to kill cows for cash back in the day :

The defense bonus of full black d'hide (minus the coif) is: +92 Stab +77 Slash +100 Crush +86 Magic +87 Ranged +91 Summoning Void Knight Equipment (minus mace): +87 Stab +87 Slash +87 Crush +85 Magic +87 Ranged +72 Summoning Also has the bonus of : +10% to Ranged Attack and max damage As you can see, the defenses are pretty much equally matched. Not only that, but Void Knight exceeds Black D'hide in slash, which is a most common weapon attack style used in PvP (whips.) Also, it adds a 10% bonus to the max damage. When I see people in BH using Ranged Void Knight, they most often use a Dbow Spec and the extra damage comes in handy. What it does lack, though, is accuracy. Void Knight has a +0 Ranged Attack bonus (+ whatever bow you use) while Black D'hide has +65 (+ whatever bow.) I don't use my Ranged Knight in training very often because it will miss a lot more than Black D'hide because of the lack of Ranged Attack bonus, and the 10% increase to the Ranged Attack bonus still isn't enough to compare to Black D'hide. Void Knight also provides convenience. I mostly use my Ranged Void in FoG where all I have to do is switch my helmet and weapon to change my attack style. If you tried to carry all 3 points of the combat triangle with different items, you would be carrying 3 whole sets of different armour.

Oh my god, I'm off to the Debate forum to see if I can get supporters for that sticky.

I know how you feel. It took me a little extra time to find it, as well... Didn't take me any time at all because I actually read the update.

How has it ruined the whole game? It hasn't even impacted anything in the game. If you hate it, ignore summoning. The only way the game is different to you from before is that now you'll see people walking around with creatures following them! It'd be NO DIFFERENT than it was before summoning! If summoning was suddenly removed, gameplay would not change one iota!

Lmao at that.