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TianLongBaBu

 

 

:-s

 

 

 

Just face the truth. China is taking over the world.

 

 

 

Yeah, and that's not even a tongue-in-cheek joke anymore.

 

 

 

In a few decades the chinese have already surpassed the US militarily and economically...

 

 

 

And in about 30 years, they'll have reduced the poverty in the countryside so much there will be 1 billion+ chinese living on better average standards than a westerner.

 

 

 

I'm actually trying to learn chinese because of the future benefits (as well as japanese), but I'm finding the written Han characters a pain in the rear... :lol:

 

 

 

I dont see how that works? If 1 billion Chinese people get out of poverty, that means somewhere else in the wrold there are 1 billion (more) people living in poverty. There has to be a balance and for China to overcome that is a stretch. If they dont improve their "human rights", I dont think the world will accept them as a super power. Usually people migrate to a country not because it's strong militarily but because they have a chance to lead a "good" life. To further this point, as far as I know, China is not very open to foreigners. I hear it's quite hard to settle down there if you are not Chinese.

There has to be a balance and for China to overcome that is a stretch. If they dont improve their "human rights", I dont think the world will accept them as a super power.

 

 

 

USA is the only western country still using the death penalty, they have prison camps for POW's with documented cases of torture and murder, they bully other countries through foreign policy and people still accept them as a superpower. Please, 'human rights'...

 

 

 

Russia has ridiculously sub-par living conditions for the majority of people, conscripts die in compulsory military service due to harshess of drillers, prison conditions are that of savages, they threaten other nations constantly through foreign policy.. And they are considered as a superpower (at least during the Cold War, and regaining their status)

 

 

 

China doesn't need people migrating in it's country. Why would it need westerners who demand a salary 5x that of a chinese person who will work harder with a smaller salary? People migrate in a country if they think they can take advantage of it's resources and tap into them.

 

 

 

The international community is ruled by those who are able, not those who have a perfect track record of human records, neutral/friendly foreign policy and diplomacy, and democracy. Otherwise Switzerland, Sweden and Finland would be making all the important calls in politics.

 

 

 

And with the chinese military being at over 700,000,000 troops (more than 2x the entire population of USA, and women also serve in China), I don't exactly see them as a "weak" nation compared to USA which has about 1 million active troops all over the world.

 

 

 

Not just that, but since about 70% of americans are overweight, during wartime, mobilizing a lot of the manpower available for military service would require recruiting troops who are physically unfit for active duty.

 

 

 

"Nukes"? If you want to conquer a country, you don't exactly try to make it inhabitable... Plus China has plenty of nuclear weapons as well.

There has to be a balance and for China to overcome that is a stretch. If they dont improve their "human rights", I dont think the world will accept them as a super power.

 

 

 

USA is the only western country still using the death penalty, they have prison camps for POW's with documented cases of torture and murder, they bully other countries through foreign policy and people still accept them as a superpower. Please, I don't want to hear about 'human rights'...

 

 

 

Russia has ridiculously sub-par living conditions for the majority of people, conscripts die in compulsory military service due to harshess of drillers, prison conditions are that of savages, they threaten other nations constantly through foreign policy.. And they are considered as a superpower (at least during the Cold War, and regaining their status)

 

 

 

China doesn't need people migrating in it's country. Why would it need westerners who demand a salary 5x that of a chinese person who will work harder with a smaller salary? People migrate in a country if they think they can take advantage of it's resources and tap into them.

 

 

 

The international community is ruled by those who are able, not those who have a perfect track record of human records, neutral/friendly foreign policy and diplomacy, and democracy. Otherwise Switzerland, Sweden and Finland would be making all the important calls in politics.

 

 

 

And with the chinese military being at over 700,000,000 troops (more than 2x the entire population of USA, and women also serve in China), I don't exactly see them as a "weak" nation compared to USA which has about 1 million active troops all over the world.

 

I mean human rights in their own country. Their own people need to be in "better" living conditions, or at least that's my opinion.

 

 

 

Russia isn't a superpower, they're the has-beens.

 

 

 

A superpower isn't just a military and economic superpower. It needs to be a place of art and culture. There needs to be some beauty there. If you're a superpower, chances are you have the best education and such there is. Other people want that.

 

 

 

Understood? But there needs to be some approval by the rest of the world.

 

 

 

Yeah, they rock in military. They dont plan on taking us over, do they?

As greedy. warmongering the US may be, I'm pretty sure the West would rather have the US stay as the superpower of the world than a communist country that is still considered third world.

 

 

 

Whatever bad reputation the US might have on you, imagine that tenfold with China.

To further this point, as far as I know, China is not very open to foreigners. I hear it's quite hard to settle down there if you are not Chinese.

 

 

 

If you're going there just to live like average Joe... well then of course. It's a completely different culture and language that most people are used to. The language is much more difficult to pick up than most others and don't expect everything else to be a piece of cake either.

 

 

 

But if you've done your research and have some funds on hand, I don't see why it would be so difficult. Plenty of people from other countries have moved there with success. They tend to have more luck in the larger cities though, since those places are better equipped to assist them in the 'settling-down' phase.

To further this point, as far as I know, China is not very open to foreigners. I hear it's quite hard to settle down there if you are not Chinese.

 

 

 

If you're going there just to live like average Joe... well then of course. It's a completely different culture and language that most people are used to. The language is much more difficult to pick up than most others and don't expect everything else to be a piece of cake either.

 

 

 

But if you've done your research and have some funds on hand, I don't see why it would be so difficult. Plenty of people from other countries have moved there with success. They tend to have more luck in the larger cities though, since those places are better equipped to assist them in the 'settling-down' phase.

 

Or, you can just be Chinese. Over 1.6 billion people are (Including me). China doesn't need foreigners IMO, they would be able to last on their own.

 

 

 

But yeah, if you manage to learn Chinese somehow, and know the culture pretty well, you can pass by.

 

 

 

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(BlueLancer...Good luck with Chinese...I've been speaking it my whole life and I still don't know over half the language >.<)

 

 

 

I'm not an expert in this kind of thing, but I'm pretty sure if China all of a sudden stops selling its goods to the USA, the USA would collapse, while China is selling the goods to Japan/India/Europe/etc. and still making money.

I'm not an expert in this kind of thing, but I'm pretty sure if China all of a sudden stops selling its goods to the USA, the USA would collapse, while China is selling the goods to Japan/India/Europe/etc. and still making money.

 

 

 

The US gets more imports from Canada that China.

 

 

 

EDIT: Also China's biggest export is to the US, so if for some reason trade between China and the US ceased, then China would have to change more than the US would.

 

I mean human rights in their own country. Their own people need to be in "better" living conditions, or at least that's my opinion.

 

 

 

A superpower isn't just a military and economic superpower. It needs to be a place of art and culture. There needs to be some beauty there. If you're a superpower, chances are you have the best education and such there is. Other people want that.

 

 

 

Understood? But there needs to be some approval by the rest of the world.

 

 

 

Yeah, they rock in military. They dont plan on taking us over, do they?

 

 

 

Our living conditions are just fine, thank you. We don't exactly live in ghettos or are hunted by secret police everywhere.

 

 

 

And yes, a superpower is dependent solely on the one thing in the name : power. USA has culture based on praise of worthless celebrities and money and USA education is crap (have you seen the city schools?)

 

 

 

And no, we don't need approval from anyone else. We're doing just fine and we know it, and we don't need you or anyone else's opinion to feel better about ourselves.

To further this point, as far as I know, China is not very open to foreigners. I hear it's quite hard to settle down there if you are not Chinese.

 

 

 

If you're going there just to live like average Joe... well then of course. It's a completely different culture and language that most people are used to. The language is much more difficult to pick up than most others and don't expect everything else to be a piece of cake either.

 

 

 

But if you've done your research and have some funds on hand, I don't see why it would be so difficult. Plenty of people from other countries have moved there with success. They tend to have more luck in the larger cities though, since those places are better equipped to assist them in the 'settling-down' phase.

 

Or, you can just be Chinese. 1.6 billion people are (Including me). China doesn't need foreigners IMO, they would be able to last on their own.

 

 

 

 

That is not the point. The point is this: to become a superpower, you need to be a center for education, art, and culture. I dont see China contributing to any of those, and being isolated definitely does not help.

 

 

 

That is not the point. The point is this: to become a superpower, you need to be a center for education, art, and culture. I dont see China contributing to any of those, and being isolated definitely does not help.

 

 

 

You want art and culture? We've got over 5000 years of art and culture behind us, more than almost any other country can say.

 

 

 

That is not the point. The point is this: to become a superpower, you need to be a center for education, art, and culture. I dont see China contributing to any of those, and being isolated definitely does not help.

 

 

 

You want art and culture? We've got over 5000 years of art and culture behind us, more than almost any other country can say.

 

 

 

Wow, just wow. You have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about, do you?

 

 

 

That is not the point. The point is this: to become a superpower, you need to be a center for education, art, and culture. I dont see China contributing to any of those, and being isolated definitely does not help.

 

 

 

You want art and culture? We've got over 5000 years of art and culture behind us, more than almost any other country can say.

 

 

 

Yes, however communism destoyed quite a few countries art. Soviet Russia actually tried to destroy some of the old relics and building, putting up newer, greyer buildings and changing the peoples' way of life. They also tried "blood cleansing", wich people find rascist, though it did happen. They tried killinbg gypsies and murder the people with disabilities. Your actually starting to win me over. I don't want The U.S. to be a superpower, nor China either. China has got those highly populated areas that are just fine, while other that are in poverty. I for one, come from Romania, where I lived in an area with fairly good conditions, even better than Toronto; but people that I meet think that I come from the least clinically hygienic areas, though it's not true. I understand what's happening to you.

 

 

 

P.S, We're off-topic. We are supposed to talk about a trojan, not china.

Omfg! I totally <3 China now!

 

 

 

Go CHINESE!

People need to understand that China isn't a 'true' communist country right now - it wouldn't have gotten this far if it was.

 

 

 

That is not the point. The point is this: to become a superpower, you need to be a center for education, art, and culture. I dont see China contributing to any of those, and being isolated definitely does not help.

 

 

 

You want art and culture? We've got over 5000 years of art and culture behind us, more than almost any other country can say.

 

 

 

Wow, just wow. You have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about, do you?

 

 

 

Wow. Just wow, as a matter of fact yes I do, the real question is, do you know what you just said made no sense?

 

 

 

You said, to be a true superpower, you needed art and culture and things like that.

 

 

 

I said, China has lots of art and culture.

 

 

 

Exactly how do I have no idea again?

Sorry darkmage, but discrediting China due to a "lack of culture" also discredits anything else you have to say about the chinese...

 

 

 

While my ancestors were savage barbarians in Europe knowing 10 local words related to killing an animal and skinning it, the Chinese were writing books, creating military doctrines and government structures, machinery, metalcasting, poetry, seafare, exploring, alphabets, trading routes, palaces, music...

 

 

 

Saying China has no cultural history is like saying Greece never existed. It's so grossly inaccurate. I can only find an explanation based on your possible irrational racism/xenophobism towards the chinese. :?

 

 

 

This is exactly why I tried so hard to de-program all the superstition and illogical hate towards other nationalities/people taught to me by my father/grandparents while I was younger... I realized they are based on absolutely nothing factual.

Sorry darkmage, but discrediting China due to a "lack of culture" also discredits anything else you have to say about the chinese...

 

 

 

While my ancestors were savage barbarians in Europe knowing 10 local words related to killing an animal and skinning it, the Chinese were writing books, creating military doctrines and government structures, machinery, metalcasting, poetry, seafare, exploring, alphabets, trading routes, palaces, music...

 

 

 

Saying China has no cultural history is like saying Greece never existed. It's so grossly inaccurate. I can only find an explanation based on your possible irrational racism/xenophobism towards the chinese. :?

 

 

 

This is exactly why I tried so hard to de-program all the superstition and illogical hate towards other nationalities/people taught to me by my father/grandparents while I was younger... I realized they are based on absolutely nothing factual.

 

 

 

Since being a superpower involves being an INTERNATIONAL superpower, I assumed you guys knew I was talking about INTERNATIONAL culture--a melting pot so to speak. I'll be one of the first to say China has a rich heritage, but it simply does not accommodate foreigners. Therein lies the flaw of China, in my opinion, and the reason it will not become the next superpower. While it may "rise in the ranking", I disagree that it will be top dog.

 

 

 

 

 

Examples:

 

Persia --Cyrus the Achmenid. He united all of Persia and brought the people from around Kazakhstan to Egypt. Still not enough to be a major superpower

 

 

 

Rome -- Incorporated the "barbarians" from norther Europe, the Africans and Egypt, and the Mesopotamians. Look up Pax Romana. Still only a superpower in the West.

 

 

 

Ummyads & Abbasids -- Traded with India, China, Europe, and Africa. Definitely was the center of international affairs. This only counts because of the massive amounts of trade these people did. Still not a superpower because they did not lead by a huge margin in military and culture. We're getting closer though!

 

 

 

Mongols -- United the land from Korea to Kaffa (north of the Black Sea) to Austria to Thailand. This empire was the largest land empire in history. They interacted culturally, dominated militarily, and controlled the Silk roads.

 

 

 

Age of Exploration -- mini powers...not really super powers

 

 

 

Britain -- America, Australia, Africa, Europe, India, parts of Asia...yeah. While the culture wasn't centered in Britain, it definitely brought bout new ideas that advanced the world because of the possible interactions.

 

 

 

America & USSR -- America lead the world because of the ideas and cultures that thrived during its existence post WW. They are the center of economics (well that's changing but still), and so on. USSR mirrored this but to a lesser extent.

 

 

 

China -- I dont see it being a place of cultural interactions. Yeah, you can be the biggest bully (not saying it is but it has the potential to be) on the block but that doesn't make you a superpower.

 

 

 

 

 

Just my opinion.

it simply does not accommodate foreigners.

 

Why are are they all flocking to China then? :uhh:

 

(America is) the center of economics

 

Euro vs. USD?

 

Yeah, you can be the biggest bully (not saying it is but it has the potential to be) on the block but that doesn't make you a superpower.

 

The US doesn't only just have the potential, it perennially fulfills that potential as well...

 

So basically, China needs to impose itself and ideas upon other countries on a global-scale while not appearing to 'bully' other nations? Sounds kind of contradictory to me.

(America is) the center of economics

 

Euro vs. USD?

 

 

 

Unless you count the EU as one country, the US is the country that has the highest GDP. The US is the second biggest exporter (behind Germany apparently) and the biggest importer. So yes, more and more economic power is going elsewhere, but for now it's not irrational to say that America is the center of a lot of the worlds trade.

Since being a superpower involves being an INTERNATIONAL superpower, I assumed you guys knew I was talking about INTERNATIONAL culture--a melting pot so to speak. I'll be one of the first to say China has a rich heritage, but it simply does not accommodate foreigners. Therein lies the flaw of China, in my opinion, and the reason it will not become the next superpower. While it may "rise in the ranking", I disagree that it will be top dog.

First of all, in listing historical powers you're completely ignoring the impact of technology. Being an international superpower when we have the means to transport people anywhere in the world within less than 24 hours is considerably different to being a superpower in a world that is flat, and that pesky continent over there just doesn't exist - period. The British Empire is the closest you came to listing a superpower that actually had a worldspanning reach, and I find it amusing you'd downgrade their significance while we're speaking the english language - it ain't my native tounge, and it certainly wasn't invented in the USA. How's that for spreading a cultural heritage?

 

 

 

Second of all, you're deluding yourself if you think economic and military might aren't the biggest factors. You think american cultural elements are adopted in other places in the west because the cultural ideas are "superior"?

 

 

 

Economic and military might spreads culture. Economic and military might is what makes people think "hm, maybe their way of doing things isn't so bad...". The USSRs idea of culture is easily illustrated by St. Petersburg, I mean Leningrad, I mean Stalingrad, waitdidIgetthatright? Yet you have no problem listing them as a superpower.

 

 

 

A superpower is when you have the power to make suggestion to other nations, and they'll listen very closesly indeed. You think people do that because they can watch Fear Factor on TV, or because biggest military in terms of economic strenght stands behind the words?