msun641 Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 It's a shame. I'm an atheist, and I can't respect any organization that invokes such idiocy by being against homosexuality, contraception, and gender equality. Better luck next time, I guess. So what? The Catholic religion was founded on certain basic values and beliefs. A lot of these beliefs come from their version of the Bible. I'm a Protestant, but I know that the Catholic Bible is not so different from my own. And, in Leviticus, the Lord your God commands a man to "not lie with another man". The female clergy issue is another issue entirely. In my reading of the Bible, a woman must only submit herself to her husband. I guess Catholics imply this to mean they may not hold any office? In a Christian's viewpoint, God has a path for every living being. Abortion is a means of human interference with God's divine path. You are free to hold whatever beliefs you choose, but this pope is not going against anything written in his own religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubsa Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 It's a shame. I'm an atheist, and I can't respect any organization that invokes such idiocy by being against homosexuality, contraception, and gender equality. Better luck next time, I guess. Yeah you're kinda just knocking Cathlocism as a whole there, not the Pope. If the Pope was against these issues and beliefs, well then i don't think he would have been elected Pope to be honest. This is how much you all raised for charity. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannibal Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 It's a shame. I'm an atheist, and I can't respect any organization that invokes such idiocy by being against homosexuality, contraception, and gender equality. Better luck next time, I guess. So what? The Catholic religion was founded on certain basic values and beliefs. A lot of these beliefs come from their version of the Bible. I'm a Protestant, but I know that the Catholic Bible is not so different from my own. And, in Leviticus, the Lord your God commands a man to "not lie with another man". The female clergy issue is another issue entirely. In my reading of the Bible, a woman must only submit herself to her husband. I guess Catholics imply this to mean they may not hold any office? In a Christian's viewpoint, God has a path for every living being. Abortion is a means of human interference with God's divine path. You are free to hold whatever beliefs you choose, but this pope is not going against anything written in his own religion. Christianity also claims all are equal in the face of God, and that mankind has been made ruler over the earth (Genesis 1). How you should read the bible is not a one-way path - it's up for a lot of interpretations. The pope represents just one of these - and a very conservative one at that. To equal the pope's beliefs with those of all the other christian's out there is simply not correct. I personally think the older books (Leviticus especially) were written so long ago, and are so bound by the morals and values of that time (over 4000 years ago) that I do not want to take what they describe all that literally. Leviticus also holds the following: Do not eat any of the fat of cattle, sheep or goats A woman who becomes pregnant and gives birth to a son will be ceremonially unclean for seven days, just as she is unclean during her monthly period. On the eighth day the boy is to be circumcised. Then the woman must wait thirty-three days to be purified from her bleeding. She must not touch anything sacred or go to the sanctuary until the days of her purification are over. If she gives birth to a daughter, for two weeks the woman will be unclean, as during her period. Then she must wait sixty-six days to be purified from her bleeding. (This also shows it was worse to get daughters in those times - something which is completely nonsense in most countries today) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver_Dragon Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 They have a minimum age requirement of 60 for popes:) and I believe 99 prayer is a minimum requirement also :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayjest Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 It's a shame. I'm an atheist, and I can't respect any organization that invokes such idiocy by being against homosexuality, contraception, and gender equality. Better luck next time, I guess. So what? The Catholic religion was founded on certain basic values and beliefs. A lot of these beliefs come from their version of the Bible. I'm a Protestant, but I know that the Catholic Bible is not so different from my own. And, in Leviticus, the Lord your God commands a man to "not lie with another man". The female clergy issue is another issue entirely. In my reading of the Bible, a woman must only submit herself to her husband. I guess Catholics imply this to mean they may not hold any office? In a Christian's viewpoint, God has a path for every living being. Abortion is a means of human interference with God's divine path. You are free to hold whatever beliefs you choose, but this pope is not going against anything written in his own religion. Christianity also claims all are equal in the face of God, and that mankind has been made ruler over the earth (Genesis 1). How you should read the bible is not a one-way path - it's up for a lot of interpretations. The pope represents just one of these - and a very conservative one at that. To equal the pope's beliefs with those of all the other christian's out there is simply not correct. I personally think the older books (Leviticus especially) were written so long ago, and are so bound by the morals and values of that time (over 4000 years ago) that I do not want to take what they describe all that literally. Leviticus also holds the following: Do not eat any of the fat of cattle, sheep or goats A woman who becomes pregnant and gives birth to a son will be ceremonially unclean for seven days, just as she is unclean during her monthly period. On the eighth day the boy is to be circumcised. Then the woman must wait thirty-three days to be purified from her bleeding. She must not touch anything sacred or go to the sanctuary until the days of her purification are over. If she gives birth to a daughter, for two weeks the woman will be unclean, as during her period. Then she must wait sixty-six days to be purified from her bleeding. (This also shows it was worse to get daughters in those times - something which is completely nonsense in most countries today) Ok, this has gone way off topic. Congrats to Ratzinger, sorry, Benedict, don't screw up, 1 billion people are counting on you. Anyway. The whole leviticus in the modern era thing. There is a reason God sent Jesus. It's in the new testment specifically: that those with faith in Christ are no longer bound by the law. That means you can refuse to do anything that the book of leviticus says. Which I am quite happy about, as I love bacon! On the women priests thing, I think that God will call to ministry who God will call to minstry, there are certain situations where it is impossible to a man to make as much progress as a woman. Contraception wise, yeah kind of silly. The idea behind it is that only God decids if you get a baby or not, using contraception removes God of the power. Which doesn't make much sense to me (and I'm a Christian). Abortion - big issue here, far too off-topic, so I won't go into it here. Homosexuality, again big issue. But not everyone is perfect, i sin in my lust for girl just a homosexual will sin in lust for a man. Only thing that gets rid of the sin is Jesus, and he won't stop forgiving just because you fancy a guy rather than a girl. Goals to get my skills back up to a barely respectable level on the high scores: Currently going for Bone to Peaches spell. It's amazing how boring doing the same repetitive task is! Stupid MTA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leylen Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 It's a shame. I'm an atheist, and I can't respect any organization that invokes such idiocy by being against homosexuality, contraception, and gender equality. Better luck next time, I guess. Yeah you're kinda just knocking Cathlocism as a whole there, not the Pope. If the Pope was against these issues and beliefs, well then i don't think he would have been elected Pope to be honest. If he was pro any of those he wouldn't have been elected pope, in fact he probably wouldn't even have been a cardinal. The roman catholic position on (especially) homosexuality and contraception are very clear, rightly so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_munro Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 That Nazi pope was against rock music in the 80s. No wonder they call him Gods Rottwieler and the Panzercardinal. (He had to drop out of Hitlers Youth and the Nazi Army because of lack of brains and muscles. What does that make him??) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jak722 Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 Dam! Not a conservative! Adapt people! Its the only way to survive! Oh and gratz Mr Pope! The Enrichment Center reminds you that the weighted companion cube will never threaten to stab you and, in fact, cannot speak. In the event that the weighted companion cube does speak, the Enrichment Center urges you to disregard its advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_munro Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 Dam! Not a conservative! Adapt people! Its the only way to survive! Oh and gratz Mr Pope! If ur talking to me, i got to say this: The Democrats are as screw up as a soup sandwich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_munro Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 He's 78 years old. He's gonna die soon.. If everything goes like planned.. Opps, did I say that? I had hoped for a pope to continue striving for a modern church. Oh well.. Merc, can i steal your beautiful picture of our new pope?:)\ I predicted he was going to win and i predict now he will die in the next 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jak722 Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 Dam! Not a conservative! Adapt people! Its the only way to survive! Oh and gratz Mr Pope! If ur talking to me, i got to say this: The Democrats are as screw up as a soup sandwich. I hate to break it too you, but you're not the pope. And in this case, I was talking about the pope. I dont even know who you are... :? The Enrichment Center reminds you that the weighted companion cube will never threaten to stab you and, in fact, cannot speak. In the event that the weighted companion cube does speak, the Enrichment Center urges you to disregard its advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x76 Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 I'm not religious or anything but congratulations to the pope. Kind of off-topic but my friend noticed something: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordChocobot Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 I'm not religious or anything but congratulations to the pope. Kind of off-topic but my friend noticed something: ...Ah crap Let's make babies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannibal Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 It's a shame. I'm an atheist, and I can't respect any organization that invokes such idiocy by being against homosexuality, contraception, and gender equality. Better luck next time, I guess. Yeah you're kinda just knocking Cathlocism as a whole there, not the Pope. If the Pope was against these issues and beliefs, well then i don't think he would have been elected Pope to be honest. If he was pro any of those he wouldn't have been elected pope, in fact he probably wouldn't even have been a cardinal. The roman catholic position on (especially) homosexuality and contraception are very clear, rightly so. I would have to disagree. Not all catholics are against homosexuality and contraception (or damn, there would have been a lot more Catholics right now, if you get my drift). I've never heard any catholic I know in real life say they're against contraception - only that they're all for it to prevent the spreading of STD's. The fact that the pope and some of the cardinals are very conservative does not mean that the rest of the catholic church thinks the same. On a sidenote, I'm a oecumenist (if that's the right word in English), which means I'm somewhere in the middle between protestants and catholics. I sometimes attend catholic mass, and in my church there have been homosexual weddings, which are legal in Holland. I don't understand why people can't live with the fact that homosexual people can also be christians and want their weddings to be confirmed in the church as well. To me that's a very normal and natural thing, but I guess I'm in the minority here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Gambino Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 They have a minimum age requirement of 60 for popes:) No, there are no regulations about that stuff. Technically, I could be pope, but it's not going to happen. I think they might pick older ones, because there is a chance they can be really bad and he'd be pope for a long time. I don't think that should stop people from picking a well deserving younger candidate though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krunkthemonk Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 Reading up on your Nostradamus Merc??? I believe the "Terror from the sky" is coming but may not be The COMET that Nostradamus sees bringing Great Destruction in many other quatrains. It is possible The "Great, King of Terror from the sky" is the Coming of Antichrist In A Spaceship, whose arrival preceeds the destruction that a Doomsday Comet shall bring upon the world (as Antichrist establishes The Church of Satan via The Vatican and a future Pope. Taken from satansrapture.com The problem with the gene pool is that there's no lifeguard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLancer Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 This post is screwed up, dunno why. All the image tags and quotes are broken, it's kind of hard to follow the flow of the discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ycon Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 There IS age requirement for being a pope... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_munro Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 Reading up on your Nostradamus Merc??? I believe the "Terror from the sky" is coming but may not be The COMET that Nostradamus sees bringing Great Destruction in many other quatrains. It is possible The "Great, King of Terror from the sky" is the Coming of Antichrist In A Spaceship, whose arrival preceeds the destruction that a Doomsday Comet shall bring upon the world (as Antichrist establishes The Church of Satan via The Vatican and a future Pope. Taken from satansrapture.com Antichrist and Aliens?? Are u aware the the US government possibly has a space ship in Area 51. Nostradamus was an earlier form of drugged up hippies. He wrote things that are so vague u could read it any way u want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krunkthemonk Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 Reading up on your Nostradamus Merc??? I believe the "Terror from the sky" is coming but may not be The COMET that Nostradamus sees bringing Great Destruction in many other quatrains. It is possible The "Great, King of Terror from the sky" is the Coming of Antichrist In A Spaceship, whose arrival preceeds the destruction that a Doomsday Comet shall bring upon the world (as Antichrist establishes The Church of Satan via The Vatican and a future Pope. Taken from satansrapture.com Antichrist and Aliens?? Are u aware the the US government possibly has a space ship in Area 51. Nostradamus was an earlier form of drugged up hippies. He wrote things that are so vague u could read it any way u want. You are correct. He used "herbs" then looked into a bowl of water and told people what he seen. It still makes for a good read though. It's like going to a fortune teller and her saying you're going to be succesful this year. What's that supposed to mean? Am I going to pass all of my exams or bake a cake without it falling. The problem with the gene pool is that there's no lifeguard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayjest Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 All prophesy is best explained after the event. After 9/11, people claimed nostradamus had predicted the whole thing. if you looked at the same passage on 8/11, you wouldn't have guessed it. That's why there are so many different theories on the end of the world. though there do seem to be parallels in some (antiChrist in nostradamus = the beast in revelation). But again, you won't know until after the event. Goals to get my skills back up to a barely respectable level on the high scores: Currently going for Bone to Peaches spell. It's amazing how boring doing the same repetitive task is! Stupid MTA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demeige Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 Isn't religion wonderful? How does a profession differ from an occupation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XXMANSONXX Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 OK IM NOT RELIGEOUS I LOVE MARILYN MANSON AND THE NEW POPE WAS A NAZI HE HATES HOMOSEXUALS WOOOO!!!!! I MIGHT BECOMNE A CATHLIC :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_munro Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 OK IM NOT RELIGEOUS I LOVE MARILYN MANSON AND THE NEW POPE WAS A NAZI HE HATES HOMOSEXUALS WOOOO!!!!! I MIGHT BECOMNE A CATHLIC :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: Stupid Neo *Walks away wondering why a person would become a catholic after a Nazi was vote pope* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ycon Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 That Nazi pope was against rock music in the 80s. No wonder they call him Gods Rottwieler and the Panzercardinal. (He had to drop out of Hitlers Youth and the Nazi Army because of lack of brains and muscles. What does that make him??) Quit reading the stupid british press... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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