What is needed to destroy RWT

[Aquiel]

You forgot- the goldfarmers can always just sell their autoing accounts with all the money on them...

 

 

That would be useless if you can't transfer money between accounts. If by example you get 30 million on a lvl 3 account, you will want to transfer taht money to your main character. But if Jagex makes it that you can't drop trade because deathpiles and drop options are gone, then you can't drop trade.

 

 

 

If Jagex leaves the trading option between players, you could still dual login and trade with your main account but if trades are carefully monitored, you got good chances to get banned, not worth the risk.

 

 

 

You could use a friend as middleman instead, but chances are your friend and your 30m account will get banned if trades are properly monitired. A friend wouldn't take the chance to get banned. And if by luck you are capable of going through with it, and not getting banned, there's still the chance the friend runs away with your money.

 

 

 

And as you said, there would be problems with botting accounts having an extremely limited lifespan, and the gold farmers would have to re-create accouts all the time and raise their way up to yews again. With all those probems and inconviniences, the gold farmers would simply start farming on another game.

 

 

 

But, this would only work if tradings are properly monitored. If trades between players are eliminated, then it definitely wouldn't work unless I'm missing something.

 

 

 

EDIT - To make post clearer

[Reztral]

The only way it will stop is if people stop buying stuff from the offending websites. If nobody is buying the items from the websites, then the gold farmers will move to another game where people are buying the items. Sounds simple, but getting people to not buy the items is extraordinarily difficult, because some people don't want to have to work for levels.

[snake6man]

You forgot- the goldfarmers can always just sell their autoing accounts with all the money on them...

 

 

That would be useless if you can't transfer money between accounts. If by example you get 30 million on a lvl 3 account, you will want to transfer taht money to your main character. But if Jagex makes it that you can't drop trade because deathpiles and drop options are gone, then you can't drop trade.

 

 

 

no, the people who only have lv 30 acounts anyways would probably love to start over if they got to do it with 30m and a nice and high wcing lv. or anyone whos coming to the game new and wants to have more money than most people have in the game.

[meili]

There is no way of really stopping RWT in Rs unless they shut down the game itself. Period. People will always find a way.

 

 

 

Even if Jagex removed pking, dying, dropping items, trading, etc. RWT companies would just switch to selling RS characters.

 

 

 

All RWTers have to do is use their bots/scripts to train a guy up to level50/60/70 on combat and skills and then spend a few days getting gp then sell that character.

[Armadyllo]

All RWTers have to do is use their bots/scripts to train a guy up to level50/60/70 on combat and skills and then spend a few days getting gp then sell that character.

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, it certainly looks like account trading will end up trying to be the new RWT!

 

 

 

- People tend to prefer choosing their own character name. Now, unless people are going to create an account, send it to a sweatshop for intensive training, then trust that they'll get it back full of stats and items a week later in exchange for their money, that won't be possible.

 

 

 

- Jagex does detect botting and ban botters, but they clearly can't do it quick enough to cope with the speed of RWT-merchants making new accounts. It can't take much more than 20 mins to bot an account through Tutorial Island and get it started on gold-farming. These accounts can currently transfer their wealth freely, so banning the new account achieves nothing. But if Jagex pushes ahead and blocks all wealth transfer - and it's looking like they will - the account will be banned along with all the stuff it's accumulated. They won't need to ban it quickly before it can trade its items off, they'll just need to ban it eventually, and that'll deter people from risking their cash on an account that may get banned.

 

 

 

- Given how many people complain that their accounts get locked "for security" after they accessed them from a different city or country, it looks like Jagex has already become able to detect accounts that might have changed ownership.

 

 

 

There may be a LOT of people mighty upset about what Jagex is doing to deal with RWT, but it might just work!

 

 

 

Still, on the plus side, if they do install a trading cap like the staking cap, no more people getting scammed by item-switchers! Sure, we should be able to read the second trade screen, but even intelligent adults seem to fall for it occasionally.

[sparky1_2007]

if jagex truly wants to elimate the other RWTer's, then they're going to have to start selling RSGP's themselves.

 

 

 

im being serious here guys.

 

 

 

if they want to eliminate them, all they have to do is sell mills @ $1 or $2 a peice, drive the bot companies under, because they cannot make enough money to pay their workers and keep the computers running for 6 months or so.

 

 

 

then outright stop selling them.

 

 

 

no more RWT trade problems...

 

 

 

just a few pissed off kids that cannot buy RS gp's.

 

 

 

 

 

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also, btw, account trading has been going on since forever.

[Omali]

When are people going to realize that Runescape is not written to accommodate for a company supported real world trading option? It's been said before that if a game isn't written specifically to allow buying gold for real cash, then the game cannot be altered in a way that keeps the economy intact, in order to allow such methods of trading.

[killotroll]

There is no way of really stopping RWT in Rs unless they shut down the game itself. Period. People will always find a way.

 

 

 

Even if Jagex removed pking, dying, dropping items, trading, etc. RWT companies would just switch to selling RS characters.

 

 

 

All RWTers have to do is use their bots/scripts to train a guy up to level50/60/70 on combat and skills and then spend a few days getting gp then sell that character.

 

 

 

It would make the job much easier for Jagex, and the job much harder for the cheaters. Maybe not a complete stop, but a serious slow down.

[sparky1_2007]

When are people going to realize that Runescape is not written to accommodate for a company supported real world trading option? It's been said before that if a game isn't written specifically to allow buying gold for real cash, then the game cannot be altered in a way that keeps the economy intact, in order to allow such methods of trading.

 

 

 

seriously, it wouldnt take much to allow it.

 

 

 

they are java gaming experts after all.....

 

 

 

edit: they also have the source code for the game too....

 

 

 

not like they're trying to reverse engineer the game like so many of the private servers are doing.

[123Yourgone]

Id rather have autoers then jagex constantly making updates that hurt legit players to try and stop them.

 

Some moron woodcutting on 20 accs doesnt affect me..

 

Me not being able to stake drove me to quitting becouse it was the thing i enjoyed most about rs.

 

After i quit due to the staking update i proceeded to sell all of the mils i had accumulated from staking for real life cash, becouse i have no other use for it. :thumbsup:

 

Good fight jagex.

[EugenyG]

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1. Not the smartest idea to brag about breaking rules. Your post will probably get deleted.

 

2. People who are willing to break rules when things don't go their way are probably people Jagex doesn't want playing to begin with.

 

3. You are an acceptable casualty. All for the greater good of the masses!

[killotroll]

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1. Not the smartest idea to brag about breaking rules. Your post will probably get deleted.

 

2. People who are willing to break rules when things don't go their way are probably people Jagex doesn't want playing to begin with.

 

3. You are an acceptable casualty. All for the greater good of the masses!

 

 

 

1-2-3 and you were gone. As stated above, not a big loss.

[123Yourgone]

bla bla bla

 

 

 

1. Not the smartest idea to brag about breaking rules. Your post will probably get deleted.

 

2. People who are willing to break rules when things don't go their way are probably people Jagex doesn't want playing to begin with.

 

3. You are an acceptable casualty. All for the greater good of the masses!

 

 

 

1-2-3 and you were gone. As stated above, not a big loss.

 

Staking was an acceptable loss, so half the stakers quit, most of them sell their gold for real money rather then let it sit on useless accounts..

 

Jagex has just achieved the opposite of what they wanted..

 

Next they will have to remove trading..

 

Rich merchants will quit..

 

They will sell their gold for real money rather then abandon it.

 

Then they gotta make it so you cant die at all anywhere..

 

Any one who likes a challenge will quit, and probably sell their gold for real life cash rather then abandon it.

 

Next they gotta stop you being able to drop things..

 

Every ones invents will be so full of junk they will have no choice but to quit.

 

See why jagex's hardline stance is completly stupid? it was an unnesisary extreme, they did what the usa does, they had a problem with something (staking/oil) made a false reason (wmds/rmts) and obliterated something many people enjoyed.

 

I know a way to ban 99% of macros and completely stop a lot of the current ones from working i already sent it to jagex... 3 months ago.

[Armadyllo]

When are people going to realize that Runescape is not written to accommodate for a company supported real world trading option?

 

 

 

seriously, it wouldnt take much to allow it.

 

they are java gaming experts after all.....

 

 

 

edit: they also have the source code for the game too....

 

not like they're trying to reverse engineer the game like so many of the private servers are doing.

 

 

 

 

 

Sure, they COULD do it, from a technical point of view (although they'd have to do it better than the time they tried selling downloadable ringtones). I think Omali was saying that it'd muck up the economy if they did it.

 

 

 

The economy in RuneScape is far from perfect, but introducing infinite supplies of gp isn't going to help. What would people want to spend it on? Rares aren't going to soak it all up! If Jagex then started supplying infinite quantities of raw materials for players to spend their infinite money on, there'd not be very much gameplay left in skill training.

 

 

 

Any one who likes a challenge will quit, and probably sell their gold for real life cash rather then abandon it...

 

 

 

That's a finite quantity of items. Even if it happens the way you're predicting, a year later the effects would be long gone.

 

Quite a lot of players would be gone as well, but Jagex seems to be okay with that. At the rate of newbies entering RuneScape, they'll probably make up the loss of customers quickly enough. (sulks)

[killotroll]

bla bla bla

 

 

 

1. Not the smartest idea to brag about breaking rules. Your post will probably get deleted.

 

2. People who are willing to break rules when things don't go their way are probably people Jagex doesn't want playing to begin with.

 

3. You are an acceptable casualty. All for the greater good of the masses!

 

 

 

1-2-3 and you were gone. As stated above, not a big loss.

 

Staking was an acceptable loss, so half the stakers quit, most of them sell their gold for real money rather then let it sit on useless accounts..

 

Jagex has just achieved the opposite of what they wanted..

 

Next they will have to remove trading..

 

Rich merchants will quit..

 

They will sell their gold for real money rather then abandon it.

 

Then they gotta make it so you cant die at all anywhere..

 

Any one who likes a challenge will quit, and probably sell their gold for real life cash rather then abandon it.

 

Next they gotta stop you being able to drop things..

 

Every ones invents will be so full of junk they will have no choice but to quit.

 

See why jagex's hardline stance is completly stupid? it was an unnesisary extreme, they did what the usa does, they had a problem with something (staking/oil) made a false reason (wmds/rmts) and obliterated something many people enjoyed.

 

I know a way to ban 99% of macros and completely stop a lot of the current ones from working i already sent it to jagex... 3 months ago.

 

 

 

These changes are needed to stop people like you to gather these large amounts of gp which you will sell for real life money sooner or later.

 

 

 

If it is not possible to exchange gp between accounts the opportunity to sell for real life money will not exist. So this might be the next step.

 

 

 

BTW Can you not think of any other way to get rid of stuff than to drop it?

[Krimm911]

Every game has cheaters

 

Every game sells in game items for real world money

 

Every game admin tries to stop it

 

Every game ends up getting screwed

 

 

 

In recent days I have changed my opinion. Jagex should just go with it, who cares? Honest and loyal players still will not do it. Just the occasional lvl 76 with full drag will :-k . I say if they try any harder it might jeopardize the quality and fun factor of the game.

 

 

 

 

 

P.S. Anyone thought that the new MMORPGs that Jagex is releasing will be somewhat similar style to runescape but fix the holes for botting/rwt?

[Str4lif3]

Jagex should sell rs money cheaper than rwt.

[Hajutze]

Jagex should sell rs money cheaper than rwt.

and the rwt will sell them even cheaper ..

 

if they replace drop with destroy , remove the drop piles after death and remove trade (we have GE already) I dont see another way to exchange items .. a.k.a. RWT with gp ..

[123Yourgone]

Jagex should sell rs money cheaper than rwt.

and the rwt will sell them even cheaper ..

 

if they replace drop with destroy , remove the drop piles after death and remove trade (we have GE already) I dont see another way to exchange items .. a.k.a. RWT with gp ..

So yes, destroy the entire game to stop rmts, mind you the macroers will stay becouse a lot of them are only interested in their own characters wealth in the first place, not every macroer is a rmt, hell i doubt even half of them are, considering the bots are public.

[Celestrana]

Believe it or not, there really isn't much Jagex can do about RWT in the physical world. They're only jurisdiction is controlling RWT in their game.

 

 

 

IEEE Spectrum - "Playing Dirty": Automating computer game play takes cheating to a new - and profitable - level

 

 

 

Everyone, read the article. If you're wondering, the IEEE is the Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers, which is an internationally recognized organization of professional engineers. This article describes the issue of RWT and how it is done on Ultima: Online. The article won't tell you how to do it yourself but it describes the ingenuity of one man who managed to hack UO and make loads of money from it.

[meili]

Id rather have autoers then jagex constantly making updates that hurt legit players to try and stop them.

 

 

 

I would like Jagex to take some steps but nothing drastic, I don't want to stop doing things I like just because of autoers. I don't wanna suffer another "sleeping bag" update like we had in RS1 where every single player had to slow down their training and be annoyed by it just because of autoers.

[B_Ryan20]

sorry if this has been said ,but i think we should be allowed to report rwt sites as it takes awhile to set up a new whole site, only prob with this is ppl might send jagex sites that are key loggers :-k so idk

[Adam007]

Just read your reply, Eugenyg. That, combined with your other thing I read earlier, would make a great article. Not too many people even are aware of your viewpoint, and it's a great perspective on things. They've been doing this for years now though. All in the name of their perfect communist-like (I've been calling em communist in nature for awhile too) utopia where, like you said, you have your artificial peaceful environment filled with players blissfully unaware of what they've lost.

[Kingvictorr]

I have seen alot of of level 3 "automated" players usually at Lumbridge Home advertising for the RWT sites. Have you? They are usually on F2P, and they say automated phrases like "4mil gp for $7.95 ***************. C om" every 2-3 seconds. I report them , and they have stupid and weird names like "sdf872".or "ujl004" Jagex needs a way to get rid of them, and we awesome players need to report them immediately when you first see them...i do. Noobs fall for it all the time ,and then they start advertising too! " i got 2mil on ***********. Com, fast delivery, 100% safe. " they say. Mega annoying! GRRRR. :twisted:

 

 

 

*Hmmmmm.......what do think about this issue?*

[Armadyllo]

I would like Jagex to take some steps but nothing drastic...

 

 

 

We've already got randoms. Most of them don't seem to work on bots (I keep seeing bots wearing random event reward kit), and they annoy legitimate players all the time.

 

 

 

It'd be lovely if Jagex will somehow manage to make the whole problem go away without disrupting the innocent players' gaming experience, but they've not managed it in the last 3 years, and I'll be impressed if they manage to wave a magic wand and achieve it now.

 

 

 

Players keep suggesting practical solutions that might help from a technical end, such as random features to disrupt the bots (which we know to be failing), IP blocking with a learning algorithm for detecting RWT IPs, and stuff like that. Unfortunately all that stuff tends to be reactive, and the RWT merchants will just take a little time to work around it, such as by learning how to bot through a new random event. Jagex would have to be constantly developing new tricks, all of which would still affect the legitimate players in some negative way just like fatigue did, and all of which would eventually become useless just like the early random events did. Given that Jagex is openly damaging the game (i.e. high risk of loss of customers and money) to attack RWT, it's a pretty good guess that they've already been down the low-risk paths and come up blank.