The Observer Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 My computer is making me angry. When I logged in before the update, everything was fine. Then, when I logged in after the update, my computer was acting as if I had a million tabs open or if I was doing a memory sucking task. Like, it had a busy signal and it was working as if it was doing that. It ends up having this major computer struggle afterwords and I end up logging out. Immediately after I log out, it stops. P.S. I had nothing open but the RuneScape Client. System Specifications: RAM: 64 Megabytes of RAM Processor: 350 Megahertz Operating System: Windows 98 Second Edition System Resources before loading RuneScape: 98% Free What I did to attempt to fix this problem: [*:1mwvdn49] Scanned with HiJackThis, AVG, Ad-Aware - Result: Found nothing [*:1mwvdn49] Re-started computer 3 times - Result: No change [*:1mwvdn49] Re-installed Java - Result: No change [*:1mwvdn49] Tried asking two JAGeX Moderators - No help there If anybody has any suggestions, it would be helpful. Until then, I won't be on RuneScape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Observer Posted December 11, 2007 Author Share Posted December 11, 2007 Anyone? :? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiser Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 System Specifications: RAM: 64 Megabytes of RAM Processor: 350 Megahertz Operating System: Windows 98 Second Edition System Resources before loading RuneScape: 98% Free There's your problem. That machine is a dinosaur when it comes to computer technology. You're lucky it runs RS at all. Unfortunately, there is nothing you can do to speed up a machine that old. The hardware is ancient history and you're going to have to buy a new machine if you want more speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Observer Posted December 12, 2007 Author Share Posted December 12, 2007 System Specifications: RAM: 64 Megabytes of RAM Processor: 350 Megahertz Operating System: Windows 98 Second Edition System Resources before loading RuneScape: 98% Free There's your problem. That machine is a dinosaur when it comes to computer technology. You're lucky it runs RS at all. Unfortunately, there is nothing you can do to speed up a machine that old. The hardware is ancient history and you're going to have to buy a new machine if you want more speed. I was afraid of that. :( Time to say my goodbyes I guess as the chance of getting a new machine is very slim.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadril Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 You can't even spend $150-200 bucks on a new machine? I'm amazed TBH that you are doing anything on that machine, thats something from the early 90's lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. V. Devnull Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 Killerred005, I got one question for you... Are you running the RS client with an advert above it? If so, no wonder you're having this problem, because the advert will steal clock cycles from the RS applet in a rather indiscriminate fashion. In short, even if you get a faster computer, you would continue to have this problem, maybe with less lag, but it will still impose itself. (I know this from personal experience, seeing as I do use a faster system.) So, you have a choice. The advert goes, or you go and effectively lose links with a lot of friends who don't know about Tip.It, which sadly, is how the advertisers who want to bend you to their will are making things these days. They don't want you to play, they want you to spend your money away so you can't do anything anymore, and they'll do any dirty trick they can to force it. :( And as for Cruiser saying your system is crap, he's wrong. I've checked my RAM usage here on Win XP, and I can safely tell you that Java while running RuneScape uses no more than about 50 MB, which leaves more than enough RAM (14 MB!!!) to be able to do other things, including run a firewall, antivirus, net link, and the OS all without trouble. Win98SE itself is capable of compacting down in RAM a lot, long as it has reasonable Virtual Swap to work with, and I'm sure you've got that, because either your swap is on 'auto-manage', or is set to equal in size to your RAM, or set to 1.5x your RAM at the minimum. : So, in short, permanently kill the adverts that could potentially infect your PC and will steal clock cycles, maybe drop your current Java Applet Disk Cache, clear your Temp Internet Files, and restart your PC one last time, because what you're seeing should not happen at all, Killerred005. :? ... About the only other thing I could suggest is to use Java 1.5.0_06 or later, which, if you already have such, is a moot point. :P See you on RuneScape soon. I've been haunting W7, Canada West, and the UK worlds these days. 8-) ~Mr. D. V. Devnull and normally with a cool mind.(Warning: This user can be VERY confusing to some people... And talks in 3rd person for the timebeing due to how insane they are... Sometimes even to themself.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadril Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 System requirements According to Microsoft, the minimum system requirements for Windows 98 and 98SE are: * 66MHz 486DX computer, with 16MB of memory * VGA monitor * Mouse or compatible pointing device * Keyboard * Floppy disk drive or CD-ROM drive UITS recommends, however, that you start with a Pentium or Pentium-class processor and motherboard running at 200MHz or higher, with at least 32MB of RAM as a minimum configuration. Keep in mind that running Windows 98 or 98SE with less than 32MB of RAM will cause a lot of disk swapping, and the more applications you want to run at one time, the more memory you'll need. Windows 98 and 98SE both use 8 to 16MB of RAM, while one typical 32-bit application needs several MB to run properly. http://kb.iu.edu/data/afqp.html If java takes up about 50mbs of ram, and win98SE its self takes about 16-32 well.. you do the math. His machine is simply out dated D_V, and nothing can help that. * Computer requirements to play Runescape. * Minimum requirements for low detail graphics: 64mb RAM and 300 mhz CPU Now, his machine JUST meets the minimum requirements for runescape, but the problem is that its not really taking into account his OS. Obviously he will run into problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. V. Devnull Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 System requirements According to Microsoft, the minimum system requirements for Windows 98 and 98SE are: * 66MHz 486DX computer, with 16MB of memory * VGA monitor * Mouse or compatible pointing device * Keyboard * Floppy disk drive or CD-ROM drive UITS recommends, however, that you start with a Pentium or Pentium-class processor and motherboard running at 200MHz or higher, with at least 32MB of RAM as a minimum configuration. Keep in mind that running Windows 98 or 98SE with less than 32MB of RAM will cause a lot of disk swapping, and the more applications you want to run at one time, the more memory you'll need. Windows 98 and 98SE both use 8 to 16MB of RAM, while one typical 32-bit application needs several MB to run properly. http://kb.iu.edu/data/afqp.html If java takes up about 50mbs of ram, and win98SE its self takes about 16-32 well.. you do the math. His machine is simply out dated D_V, and nothing can help that. * Computer requirements to play Runescape. * Minimum requirements for low detail graphics: 64mb RAM and 300 mhz CPU Now, his machine JUST meets the minimum requirements for runescape, but the problem is that its not really taking into account his OS. Obviously he will run into problems. LOL :lol: ... Well, aren't you the funny one. I've seen these so-called "Requirements", and what most all game makers don't tell you (Jagex included) is that these numbers usually include OS and necessary net-protection services, such as your AV and firewall. So I continue to stand by my advice to Killerred005. BTW, the last time I had a major foul-up with Java, clearing my Java Applet Disk Cache took care of it, along with clearing the Temp Internet Files. ~Mr. Devnull and normally with a cool mind.(Warning: This user can be VERY confusing to some people... And talks in 3rd person for the timebeing due to how insane they are... Sometimes even to themself.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiser Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 LOL :lol: ... Well, aren't you the funny one. I've seen these so-called "Requirements", and what most all game makers don't tell you (Jagex included) is that these numbers usually include OS and necessary net-protection services, such as your AV and firewall. Care to post the source to that information that isn't coming from just you (since you've proven multiple times you don't have a clue)? The minimum requirements for a game are exactly that, a minimum. They make no guarantee that the game will work, regardless of your system setup. The 300mhz/64mb limits were also established quite a long time ago before RS had included some of the larger updates we've seen, which will result in higher loads. You also forgot to account for the fact that Java is also using CPU resources in the background while trying to shoot me down. He may very well have enough RAM, but that doesn't mean the CPU can keep up with what RS is trying to do. The ads, you have a small point, but that still doesn't change the fact that anything you are able to fix on a machine that old is nothing more than a bandaid and the problems will only get worse as times goes on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadril Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 LOL Laughing ... Well, aren't you the funny one. I've seen these so-called "Requirements", and what most all game makers don't tell you (Jagex included) is that these numbers usually include OS and necessary net-protection services, such as your AV and firewall. So I continue to stand by my advice to Killerred005. BTW, the last time I had a major foul-up with Java, clearing my Java Applet Disk Cache took care of it, along with clearing the Temp Internet Files. In agreement with Cruiser here -- post some sources will ya? At any rate, even if that is true, it is the minimum specs. minimum. Have you ever honestly seen a game that ran find running on the bare minimum for a rig? I haven't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denismage Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 Well, aren't you the funny one. I've seen these so-called "Requirements", and what most all game makers don't tell you (Jagex included) is that these numbers usually include OS and necessary net-protection services, such as your AV and firewall. Way to prove you have no clue what you are talking about. Cruiser is right, get a new computer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Observer Posted December 12, 2007 Author Share Posted December 12, 2007 Well, aren't you the funny one. I've seen these so-called "Requirements", and what most all game makers don't tell you (Jagex included) is that these numbers usually include OS and necessary net-protection services, such as your AV and firewall. Way to prove you have no clue what you are talking about. Cruiser is right, get a new computer. They might actually have a point as my system resources are at 98% before I play RuneScape. Therefore, Windows takes about less than two MB of RAM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denismage Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 Well, aren't you the funny one. I've seen these so-called "Requirements", and what most all game makers don't tell you (Jagex included) is that these numbers usually include OS and necessary net-protection services, such as your AV and firewall. Way to prove you have no clue what you are talking about. Cruiser is right, get a new computer. They might actually have a point as my system resources are at 98% before I play RuneScape. Therefore, Windows takes about less than two MB of RAM. It isn't all RAM related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bac_Talan Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 Try using Firefox and see of that does anything. Or try a P2P server, like already said. After that, upgrade your computer. Seriously. That thing is worse than the one I had 7 years ago. :shock: I once shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die.Pics or it didn't happen. I hate my generation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blade995 Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 Well, aren't you the funny one. I've seen these so-called "Requirements", and what most all game makers don't tell you (Jagex included) is that these numbers usually include OS and necessary net-protection services, such as your AV and firewall. Way to prove you have no clue what you are talking about. Cruiser is right, get a new computer. They might actually have a point as my system resources are at 98% before I play RuneScape. Therefore, Windows takes about less than two MB of RAM. Are you sure your reading that right? I highly doubt you have 98% free resources. Are you sure your not looking at your CPU usage before you start Runescape? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Observer Posted December 13, 2007 Author Share Posted December 13, 2007 Well, aren't you the funny one. I've seen these so-called "Requirements", and what most all game makers don't tell you (Jagex included) is that these numbers usually include OS and necessary net-protection services, such as your AV and firewall. Way to prove you have no clue what you are talking about. Cruiser is right, get a new computer. They might actually have a point as my system resources are at 98% before I play RuneScape. Therefore, Windows takes about less than two MB of RAM. Are you sure your reading that right? I highly doubt you have 98% free resources. Are you sure your not looking at your CPU usage before you start Runescape? When I start the RuneScape client, it's at 92% free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiser Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 When I start the RuneScape client, it's at 92% free. Which, on a 300mhz processor, isn't anything to shake a stick at when it comes to running RS. RS quite regularly uses 50% or more on my 1.8ghz Athlon64. Like I said before, you're lucky it runs at all on a machine that old. If we're going to play the numbers game, since someone on the thread seems to like that, 92% free leaves you with 276mhz. The math sure as hell doesn't work like that, but since we already used flawed logic to say you have enough RAM, I'm now using flawed logic to say you no longer meet the minimum requirements. Bottom line, the machine is old. Yes it meets the bare minimum, but that by no means says the game will run smoothly. Even if you do manage to baby it into running, it more than likely won't last long as Jagex updates the game or as other factors within the system change. The machine is ancient. It's time to upgrade, even if means buying some cheap $200 Dell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denismage Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Well, aren't you the funny one. I've seen these so-called "Requirements", and what most all game makers don't tell you (Jagex included) is that these numbers usually include OS and necessary net-protection services, such as your AV and firewall. Way to prove you have no clue what you are talking about. Cruiser is right, get a new computer. They might actually have a point as my system resources are at 98% before I play RuneScape. Therefore, Windows takes about less than two MB of RAM. Are you sure your reading that right? I highly doubt you have 98% free resources. Are you sure your not looking at your CPU usage before you start Runescape? When I start the RuneScape client, it's at 92% free. That doesn't make sense, take a screenshot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Observer Posted December 13, 2007 Author Share Posted December 13, 2007 When I start the RuneScape client, it's at 92% free. Which, on a 300mhz processor, isn't anything to shake a stick at when it comes to running RS. RS quite regularly uses 50% or more on my 1.8ghz Athlon64. Like I said before, you're lucky it runs at all on a machine that old. If we're going to play the numbers game, since someone on the thread seems to like that, 92% free leaves you with 276mhz. The math sure as hell doesn't work like that, but since we already used flawed logic to say you have enough RAM, I'm now using flawed logic to say you no longer meet the minimum requirements. Bottom line, the machine is old. Yes it meets the bare minimum, but that by no means says the game will run smoothly. Even if you do manage to baby it into running, it more than likely won't last long as Jagex updates the game or as other factors within the system change. The machine is ancient. It's time to upgrade, even if means buying some cheap $200 Dell. I understand, lock please. Goodbye all, it's been nice knowing you.. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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