All they need to do is listen.

[deep_pain]

Most people are angry because there are some simple things they just overlooked.

 

 

 

I can understand when a new skill is released not giving away to much, just little bits here and there to keep people interested.

 

 

 

But when a game is changed so fundementally, surely they should ask for paying players input.

 

 

 

They say that RWT was completely out of control, well in my view it has been for months if not years.

 

 

 

They say something had to be done now. Well they must have some amazing coders and artists, because I'm sure the updates didn't take a week. They've been working on this for some time.

 

 

 

Fine tell us some things that aren't going to be debatable. IE, fine no dropping items over a certain value, fine a limit on unbalanced trades. Fine tell us that you'll be closing down the wild and putting in it's place mini-games.

 

 

 

But just ask our opinions on it before they release it not after.

 

 

 

Some simple things could have been fixed pre-release, somewhere for solo PKing spots, or a monthly gift limit or staking limit, or any of the whole host of other ideas I've seen posted. sme of them bad some of them good, but at least listen to the ideas.

 

 

 

OK people would still have been unhappy at certain elements, but at least they would have had input, personally the way the game is now, as a PK'er i log on and wonder what to do, I've tried BH a few times, no good unless you have a massive team, and I've never really been one for team PKing, alhough obviously at time it can be fun, but not as the only option, I've been playing fight pits and clan wars and castle wars since the update, none of them make up for losing the part of the game I and many others liked. Fun for some sure but I just find them boring.

 

 

 

I know they will be doing changes, and they have made it clear that certain things will not be changed back. but what would it have cost them to tell us this before the update, to ask our input before they put these changes in place. Rather than do the changes and damage peoples playing experience unneccesarily.

 

 

 

Fine some things still might not have worked, fine a lot of people that complain for the sake of complaining would still complain, fine people like me would still be unhapy at certain changes, but I would accept those changes if we were involved in the process, the chances are if we were involved they would have made these changes that they are talking about now, before releasing them not after.

 

 

 

would it really have been that difficult just for them to ask, set boundaries on what is not debatable and listen to peoples ideas before not after release.

[hippomchippo]

I completely agree with this.

[ultimatballr]

If they would of done this in the first place they wouldn't of had to put up with a week from hell. Riots and rants.. a severe decline in the number of members renewing their memberships for another month. #-o :-w

 

 

 

We shall see what the future brings. :pray:

[Bauke]

If they asked it before everyone would have said no, ofcourse. Jagex makes the game and decides for themself what is best. I don't see why they have to ask us, simply the users, if they should implement something like that.

[vilageidiotx]

If they asked it before everyone would have said no, ofcourse. Jagex makes the game and decides for themself what is best. I don't see why they have to ask us, simply the users, if they should implement something like that.

 

 

 

Mostly because we are the people who would benefit or not from a update like that. They knew it was tough, since this is taking out aspects of the game that are popular, a mere poll would suffice, to see which people prefered Pking or No Bots, or in trading case, A Excellent Community or No Bots.

[Solidus_77]

would it really have been that difficult just for them to ask, set boundaries on what is not debatable and listen to peoples ideas before not after release.

 

 

 

Well they are already a step ahead of you then because this is exactly what they did for the 3k limit. They announced it in advance to get some feedback before they implement it. Now I just hope that can express their views in an effective way.

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

What would your answer have been if Jagex announced beforehand that they were going to clamp down on RWT? Would you have been euphorically behind it all the way, would have taken it with a grain of salt, or would you have been adamantly against it? Simply put, that's the type of categories that 'Scapers usually fall under -- they will either love it, respect it while questioning their motives, or throw a tantrum like a one year old.

 

 

 

So then, with the obvious risk of people voting against this update, why would Jagex bother to ask us? Simple answer: We were quite ignorant of the matter -- what we saw in-game every day was only the pinky toe of this beast.

 

 

 

Let's be frank here. How many amongst us actually knew the depth that RWT was going on in RuneScape? How many of us knew just how hard Jagex was fighting? How many of us actually understood that we wanted them gone?

 

 

 

We didn't know how deep it was, and we still don't know the blunt majority of it -- what we got in the Development Diary was most likely the tip of the iceberg. We didn't know how hard Jagex was fighting against RWT, since we'd sooner accuse and insinuate that they were doing nothing to combat it while raking in the cash, thus accusing them of being money-greedy corporate types who don't care about their customers. That diary again only sheds some of the light on the matter. We didn't understand what we were asking to begin with -- not one of us realized how well they manipulated or abused the game with underhanded tactics, such as the Party Hall.

 

 

 

The only reason that people are angry with this update is that they didn't understand it. Even now, after explanation, people still can't seem to understand. Doesn't matter much whether you get it 100% or not; you just have to realize the reason that Jagex did it -- for the greater good.

[deep_pain]

I'm not sure why people are posting that people would vote against the changes, I never once said that it should be a vote if the changes happen or not.

 

 

 

In short I said, tell us what is cast in stone fine, but they admitted it's not the best scenario, tell us what is not up for debate, and ask us our views on the thigs that are, mini games etc. If they had asked before then they wouldn't need to be doing these changes they talk of now.

 

 

 

Of course people are still going to be angry. But it would lessen the impact, some people are just angry for the sake of being angry. That wil always be the case.

 

 

 

But as mentioned, I am not angry that they have to do this, maybe I am unhappy that the game will not be the same in the future but I perfectly understand why they have to do these updates and accept that they have been done. The only difference if they had asked before and not after, is that players like myself who have had the only part of the game they enjoyed removed completely, wouldn't have had to go through this. that is what I am angry about, because it was such a simple oversight, an oversight that is easily fixed and based upon their last news, I expect to be fixed.

 

 

 

It is not a vote if it should happen or not, it is exactly what they are doing now, saying this is what is not going to change, how about your ideas on things we can put in place to lessen the blow.

 

 

 

As for the fact that they are asking now about the 3k limit, TBH I think people forced their hand by being so upset, by behaving the way they did, I personally never did any rants on RSOF or on runescape, but I do believe that they wouldn't have done that post, if people hadn't acted to out of hand. They didn't even mention on the 10th of December update that they would listen to people's views, it took half a day of people spamming their forums before they even made the post asking for views, they never had any intention of listening to players until they were forced to.

 

 

 

I perfectly understand that they had to battle RWT which someone said people don't, but that doesn't take away from the fact making these changes didn't happen over-night, it is not a reason why they couldn't have asked our input. My guess would be that they have been working on this for months, well would releasing it 2 weeks later (when they say they plan to implement changes based on our advice), have made Runescape collapse between now and then. I think not.

 

 

 

The last poster said: "The only reason that people are angry with this update is that they didn't understand it. Even now, after explanation, people still can't seem to understand."

 

 

 

Wrong: I am angry because they failed to ask for our input, at first I was angry because they removed the part of the game which is the reason I play runescape, purely because such minor changes needed to be made (it wont make PKing as good as it was but at least there would be an option). It seemed it was such an obvious thing, that to not have worked it into the update, it seemed they were intentionally removing tha part of the game, now it appears they wern't and they did somehow simply overlook what seemed extremely obvious just reading about it before going and trying the minigames.