Jagex fails on a sticky runescape situation

[kevylord]

Jagex has failed! Runescape has now recieved plenty of updates that have lots of effect on the game.

 

 

 

Grand Exchange- This has killed the flexibility of prices. The number of merchanters have gone down a whole lot. Especially in F2P. It has been very convenient for people to buy and sell stuff without wasting time on shouting out stuff, but it killed the merchanters. I am a F2P and there is almost NO way to merchant items. I lost 500k because of this. But I don't think that Jagex will remove this.

 

 

 

Party Room Updates- This is pretty much an update that tells noobs to come to the party room, overcrowd it, and perhaps steal some of the stuff if lucky. They want this to happen. Drop party holders and attenders don't want this to happen. Not Good!

 

 

 

Runescape Gravestone- Good for the pked. Bad for the pker. bad for the gold sellers. This gravestone just killed all the strength pures. All of them. In just one update no one ever dreams about even logging on to that file. But then this can stop these goldsellers. The update stops cheaters but makes the game much less fun. Pking is probably voted the best part of f2p (before the duel arena came out).

 

 

 

Bounty Hunter- Seems a little too risky. Many people wouldn't want to wear their best armour unless they are rich, have faith in winning, or is just plain dumb. You get skulled once you enter. Good for pker, bad for pked. It also tells you your wealth. :roll: Well once again, good for pker, bad for pked. Well i really have nothing against this but you shouldn't take the classic pking and replace it with the modern bounty hunter. You should make like both seperately.

 

 

 

Duel Arena- This shouldn't take the place of pking. My word is done here

 

 

 

Finally the big one, the drop and trade changes- As you can tell from my signature, i am holding a drop party. I am dropping more than 500k of items. This update doesn't allow gifts or pking. Sure you blocked all the gold sellers jagex, BUT... no one wants to play your game anymore. I see plenty of people already saying that runescape sucks. Now i see more people who quits runescape because of these few updates.

 

 

 

Post your opinion about how to solve this or simply post your opinion toward these updates.

 

 

 

Thank you. =D>

[Boris5000]

They are just trying to make it a fair a game as possible.

 

Say for example, A level 80 saves up all his money to buy a whip. He then gets bored of this whip and wishes to sell it for 1.2m the price he had bought it. A merchanter would take it off him for 100k cheaper than he bought it for. Hardly fair? then the merchant would sell it 1.4m in w2 fally park with a freaking auto typer.

 

 

 

Now, is that fair?

[kevylord]

well than why should he sell it for 100k less. If he sells it for 100k less he can sell it faster with a little loss instead of spending time yelling offers. The merchanters job is to sell it for more money. I think its fair. Its just that the auto typing isn't fair.

[Boris5000]

the game isn't about merchanting. Its about raising your skills and having fun. Not standing in fally park w2 with an auto typer.

[Artificial_Doom_Flavor]

the game isn't about merchanting. Its about raising your skills and having fun. Not standing in fally park w2 with an auto typer.

 

 

 

Many people find it fun to be successful in the game without having to raise their skills.I know I do. Thanks to the simultaneous existence of the Grand Exchange and Bounty Hunters, my f2p level 3 now has well over 1.5m in cash, as well as a full wizard (g) set and a mage (t) amulet.

 

 

 

I think it's pretty fun to beat the system that way without cheating, don't you? Even if RuneScape is "not about" merchanting, the fact still stands that this and many other options that were once open to players were a great part of the game's appeal, certainly much more so than raising one's skills by mindlessly, repeatedly clicking on objects.

 

 

 

Note that I have never once autotyped on my 3 pure merchant, though I have been accused of it on more than one occasion.

[Guest]

the game isn't about merchanting. Its about raising your skills and having fun. Not standing in fally park w2 with an auto typer.

 

 

 

Right I sought of disagree with this because runescape may have been designed to be a game in which you just level up but the thing that makes it special is the economy.

 

Without its thriving player economy runescape would be nothing that's what make me want to play it.

 

If it was just a game in which you got your skills up I would play a much better console game rather than a game full of badly constructed quests and the worst graphics since space invaders.

[kevylord]

the game isn't about merchanting. Its about raising your skills and having fun. Not standing in fally park w2 with an auto typer.

 

 

 

Many people find it fun to be successful in the game without having to raise their skills.I know I do. Thanks to the simultaneous existence of the Grand Exchange and Bounty Hunters, my f2p level 3 now has well over 1.5m in cash, as well as a full wizard (g) set and a mage (t) amulet.

 

 

 

I think it's pretty fun to beat the system that way without cheating, don't you? Even if RuneScape is "not about" merchanting, the fact still stands that this and many other options that were once open to players were a great part of the game's appeal, certainly much more so than raising one's skills by mindlessly, repeatedly clicking on objects.

 

 

 

Note that I have never once autotyped on my 3 pure merchant, though I have been accused of it on more than one occasion.

 

 

 

how do you make that much money with the grand exchange. are you a P2P? um

 

 

 

Boris... I hate raising skills especially when i get to those higher levels. Its no fun making money this way. The best way is just to merchant. Its this autotype that i hate. The best part about f2p is pking. People make pure files just to pk. They want to get right on with pking instead of wasting their time trying to raise another skill in order to make money. All they do is merchant to get the money. its the way of a f2p pker file.

[D. V. Devnull]

the game isn't about merchanting. Its about raising your skills and having fun. Not standing in fally park w2 with an auto typer.

 

 

 

Many people find it fun to be successful in the game without having to raise their skills.I know I do. Thanks to the simultaneous existence of the Grand Exchange and Bounty Hunters, my f2p level 3 now has well over 1.5m in cash, as well as a full wizard (g) set and a mage (t) amulet.

 

 

 

I think it's pretty fun to beat the system that way without cheating, don't you? Even if RuneScape is "not about" merchanting, the fact still stands that this and many other options that were once open to players were a great part of the game's appeal, certainly much more so than raising one's skills by mindlessly, repeatedly clicking on objects.

 

 

 

Note that I have never once autotyped on my 3 pure merchant, though I have been accused of it on more than one occasion.

 

Well said, Artificial_Doom_Flavor ... I also liked being able to buy full rune/d'hide/etc. at a low price from someone who wanted to sell low and sell for more later should I happen to need bank space or want to beat another overpriced seller's offer. But with these latest updates, that's gone, and I hate it being gone. Players should be able to make gp they need for some skills through other legal stuff, such as item sales, but with the prices being locked down, that's now been rendered no longer possible. Jagex needs to realize that a more variable in-game economy is necessary for the game to function properly. :?

 

 

 

And BTW, I know how you feel about being called an "auto-typer user". I've had the same kind of problem happen to me sometimes, due to my own natural ability to type rather fast on short sentences, and some long ones, for short periods. Kinda upsets me that any legal fast-typing human would get lumped in with the Macroers and Autoers, and when we're just making use of our natural human ability.

 

 

 

~Mr. D. V. Devnull

[Will H]

Jagex have admitted that their methods were crude and ended up lumping some players in with the RWTers. The point is not to complain about it, but to make some suggestions which will allow more legal trades and actions while still stopping RWTers. In fact, that's just about what they say in 'A word about our updates' on the main Runescape page.

 

The future is in our hands. The people who want it reverted are just prolonging the continued presence of a crude and somewhat unfair (albeit necessary) update.

 

Maybe we need a Hot Topic discussing potential solutions? If we hit on a really good one, we will send it in.

 

 

 

Jagex has not failed, just succeeded badly.

[baraglas]

[The grand exchange] has been very convenient for people to buy and sell stuff without wasting time on shouting out stuff, but it killed the merchanters

 

So life is improved for buyers and sellers at the expense of the middle-men who were creaming a profit off both of them. What a pity.

 

 

 

Maybe (though I doubt it) this will drive a few merchanters to quit the game - but having a simple way to buy and sell stuff without getting too outrageously ripped off is going to attract people to the game too.

[iluvrylie]

i totally agree with this thread. i am a merchanter too on f2p...its how i got the 8mil i have right now (i know, its not much for my lvl). But Jagex completely ruined merchanting and pking. But now instead of merchanting for my money, i have to skill for it. nothing against skilling, but i'm more of a guy that likes to make money, and so are a good majority of people that play, and now...jagex has ruined that aspect of the game completely.

[kevylord]

Merchanting is gone.I'm not that big of a skiller so uh... money for the poor? I lost so much money. and as you can tell for my sig, i was about to hold a drop party. These updates affect my drop party so much!!!

[D. V. Devnull]

Merchanting is gone.I'm not that big of a skiller so uh... money for the poor? I lost so much money. and as you can tell for my sig, i was about to hold a drop party. These updates affect my drop party so much!!!

 

I get what you mean. You can't control who's gonna be there or how things will operate now at your drop party.

 

 

 

Put simply and obviously, Jagex hurt too many innocent players while trying to stop RWT (Real World Trading), and didn't think about this impact well enough to do the job right the first time. Further, I don't ever expect to see them properly correct it. They're deciding to use a 'quest point'-based system to open up the margins, but they really should have used a percentage system. 5% to 10% would have been sufficient with a ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâñ3k arbitrary applied with it.

 

 

 

Further, the 'G.E.' should have been more than 5% in its' own margins. It should have had at least 10% to 15% margins applied on it, to allow a more realistic economy, and as such, proper trading between players, both in and out of the 'G.E.' :( ... Sadly, Jagex failed there too, and so when trying to trade, some people don't want to pay the real market value of items like "Cooked Lobsters", which as everyone who has at least half a brain knows, runs for '250 gp ea'. Someone actually tried to undercut me today by too much for 27 'Cooked Lobsters' (Which adds to 6750 gp total!!!) that I was selling outside Bounty Hunter, and tried to tell me to (and I quote) "get a life" when I wouldn't budge. I don't think they studied properly, or they'd know that Jagex fouled up the market prices rather badly because they didn't check the normal F2P markets (Which is where the real market zone is, BTW!!!) while trying to gather price info. -.- ... Also, I live with my family, so I've already got as good a life as I will ever get.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I hope Jagex will fix themselves soon, before they finish killing what was an already good game and the elements thereof. I've actually hit a point where I won't be able to function without a properly free in-game market, and I'm one of those legal & innocent players that I'm talking about. If trying to sell something like green d'hide stuff that I need to when I see chances for it as it stands now, I'm basically shot. I paid a lot of gp for it, hard-earned gp, and this bunch of new market systems is effectively a slap in the face of every respectable player who's ever played this game, as it has dipped their so-called "Allowed Price Range" that they may sell at, which prevents them from selling at all! I guess my own dabbling in merchanting is done and gone. All that I will get to do now is to just make stuff, high-alch it, and let be at the gp from it. But I guess that's what happens when a bunch of noobs get to control the game through the RSOF (RuneScape Official Forums) because they can afford it, thereby creating an aristocratic system, instead of Jagex looking around fan sites like this rather reputable and respectable one, Tip.It, for thoughts and ideas.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For now, enough of me and my telling the truth through steam-blowing. I've got a headache from all of this anyway.

 

 

 

~Mr. D. V. Devnull

[maunglord]

Merchanting is gone.I'm not that big of a skiller so uh... money for the poor? I lost so much money. and as you can tell for my sig, i was about to hold a drop party. These updates affect my drop party so much!!!

 

I get what you mean. You can't control who's gonna be there or how things will operate now at your drop party.

 

 

 

Put simply and obviously, Jagex hurt too many innocent players while trying to stop RWT (Real World Trading), and didn't think about this impact well enough to do the job right the first time. Further, I don't ever expect to see them properly correct it. They're deciding to use a 'quest point'-based system to open up the margins, but they really should have used a percentage system. 5% to 10% would have been sufficient with a ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâñ3k arbitrary applied with it.

 

 

 

Further, the 'G.E.' should have been more than 5% in its' own margins. It should have had at least 10% to 15% margins applied on it, to allow a more realistic economy, and as such, proper trading between players, both in and out of the 'G.E.' :( ... Sadly, Jagex failed there too, and so when trying to trade, some people don't want to pay the real market value of items like "Cooked Lobsters", which as everyone who has at least half a brain knows, runs for '250 gp ea'. Someone actually tried to undercut me today by too much for 27 'Cooked Lobsters' (Which adds to 6750 gp total!!!) that I was selling outside Bounty Hunter, and tried to tell me to (and I quote) "get a life" when I wouldn't budge. I don't think they studied properly, or they'd know that Jagex fouled up the market prices rather badly because they didn't check the normal F2P markets (Which is where the real market zone is, BTW!!!) while trying to gather price info. -.- ... Also, I live with my family, so I've already got as good a life as I will ever get.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I hope Jagex will fix themselves soon, before they finish killing what was an already good game and the elements thereof. I've actually hit a point where I won't be able to function without a properly free in-game market, and I'm one of those legal & innocent players that I'm talking about. If trying to sell something like green d'hide stuff that I need to when I see chances for it as it stands now, I'm basically shot. I paid a lot of gp for it, hard-earned gp, and this bunch of new market systems is effectively a slap in the face of every respectable player who's ever played this game, as it has dipped their so-called "Allowed Price Range" that they may sell at, which prevents them from selling at all! I guess my own dabbling in merchanting is done and gone. All that I will get to do now is to just make stuff, high-alch it, and let be at the gp from it. But I guess that's what happens when a bunch of noobs get to control the game through the RSOF (RuneScape Official Forums) because they can afford it, thereby creating an aristocratic system, instead of Jagex looking around fan sites like this rather reputable and respectable one, Tip.It, for thoughts and ideas.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For now, enough of me and my telling the truth through steam-blowing. I've got a headache from all of this anyway.

 

 

 

~Mr. D. V. Devnull

 

 

 

OMG!!! YES!!! YES!!! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!! YES!!! THANK YOU!!! and you suggested 10-15% fluxes instead of 5% so I was spot on! sweet...

[kevylord]

I think that they should allow more difference between prices depending on the length, combat level, or quest points a player has. That way innocent players can trade items fairly easy as well as a give presents. but the autoers will have to play a long time to follow the requirements. and people will catch them and hopefully report them. the autoers will get discouraged. also, players that haven't played for long won't need such a big margin because the stuff they trade are so cheap.

 

 

 

The grand exchange killed many things. They killed scammers and merchanters. So you could either have the grand exchange, or scammers and merchanters. Merchanting isn't against the rule, you know.

[D. V. Devnull]

I think that they should allow more difference between prices depending on the length, combat level, or quest points a player has. That way innocent players can trade items fairly easy as well as a give presents. but the autoers will have to play a long time to follow the requirements. and people will catch them and hopefully report them. the autoers will get discouraged. also, players that haven't played for long won't need such a big margin because the stuff they trade are so cheap.

 

 

 

The grand exchange killed many things. They killed scammers and merchanters. So you could either have the grand exchange, or scammers and merchanters. Merchanting isn't against the rule, you know.

 

Agreed, Kevylord... For Jagex to fix this properly, they need to change it so that they kill the scammers and NOT the merchanters.

 

 

 

~Mr. Devnull