Well, I used to believe that Jagex actually knew what they were doing, but now, it's invalid. I have some things that might also convinse you of that... For the problems of the December 10 updates, let's take a look at a few suggestions that were posted on the Rsof..

Regarding trades based on QPs. We think it would be more effective if everyone with over 200+ QP's would be allowed almost free trade. A (high) limit should be made so that this could not be abused. This would be better than basing trades on total level because either way, you would need a certain total to be able to trade more freely, but this will require more effort. The current trade system would still be in place but now players with 200+ QP would be allowed a much greater cap. Also, if players have a total level of 1000 of more, they should be allowed an extra 10k trading margin.

 

 

 

Now onto a very heated topic - the duel arena change. We understand your intentions but.. Wow. We believe that at least 40% of the rares were used for staking and then suddenly, within in a few hours period, thousands of Runescape careers were shattered. Staking was ruined. A 3k limit per 15 minutes? This limit is *way* too low. The duel arena was a very popular area for players to try and double their bank value - no longer.

 

 

 

Solution:

 

- It has been said that the staker's problems can be solved by making it so that the other player's stake has to be within 5% of yours.

 

We don't think that would really solve the problem as the real world trader can still lose the duel on purpose. You could still win 105% of your total bank worth - in every duel you fight. For this reason, we think it would be sensible to use the Grand Exchange set prices to define your total bank value too. Your stake would have to be under 5% of your total bank value. For example, if you have 10m, your stake has to be under 500k. The other player would be able to stake a maximum of 525k. RWT'ers would not have enough patience! Also, players could not keep winning 500k each duel - this is because every 500k they lose, their bank value decreases and so they can't keep staking the same amount. You can only earn 5% of your bank value a day.

 

 

 

When a player has a drop party, there should be an option to make it private or public. If private, a guest list should appear in the inventory. The player has to add names to the guest list and those players must be on. An amount of 10-20 players must be on the list in order for a party to be allowed.

 

When the party is starting, everyone on the list are notified and have the option of being teleported to the party room. To stop illegal activities, 5-10 random people on that world will also be invited. This way, illegal activities will not be possible. Honest parties will still be there without 500 random people attending.

 

[Neolitia]

 

 

 

Or perhaps let us have drop party rooms for POH's. It should be at a fairly high construction level (70 or so) so that RWT's would not waste their money to get high enough only to get caught and banned. Also a requirement could be to have at least 15-20 people in the room before the items could be dropped. Maybe a max of 4m value being dropped per week? Or some other kind of limit.

 

[Ryan V 09]

 

 

 

Lastly, wed like to look at tombstones. When we die, no one but ourselves can pick the items? What if someone goes to God Wars and dies, maybe they want their friends to collect their items and return it - now they can't. Of course due to the trade update, this would not be possible anyways. You couldn't run back and get them in time because you need to kill enough npcs to get in! :o

 

When we die due to disconnection, our tombstones disappear. This means our items go along with it. Before, even if when we got lagged out, we could log back in and if no one picked our items, we could grab them just in time. Now they disappear forever.

 

 

 

Solution: On death, anyone on your friends list should be able to pick up your items but it would be a package. This package would be called '*players name* items'. The player who has your package would not be able to open it or trade it with anyone besides the rightful owner. It would also have a set value of 0gp to avoid abuse. The owner of the items would get a pm telling them which friend has their stuff. Players would have an option between using a package or tombstone under settings. This would help a lot with Godwars, etc.

 

*Cutle]

 

 

 

Also, when were lagged out, our tombstones should stay up so we can promptly log back in and recover our items.

 

 

 

We understand why the update is here, but we don't understand why it has to be so radical. Basically, player-to-player interactions have been made impossible. If Jagex had actually consulted their players (their ex-customers?), before this update, a lot of problems might have been prevented. Since it's too late for that, it would at least be appropriate to take some of the player's advice. We'd appreciate some feedback from Jagex incredibly!

 

 

 

RWT is a problem, but at what cost?

 

 

 

Also, it might help you understand the way Jagex lies if you read the first few pages of this thread...

 

http://www.truthscape.com/forum/viewtop ... &sk=t&sd=a

 

 

 

Please note that Gentel Dove was an ex pmod.

 

 

 

 

 

What do you think of this?

I'd like to quote something that Tim Buckley over at Ctrl+Alt+Del said earlier today.

 

 

 

I don't care how much passion a developer may have for making games, they still want to make money.

 

Because Jagex is a company, they're in this to make money, that's what a company does. However, how could you call them money obsessed when they've taken out large chunks of their game that many players enjoyed? Hundreds, if not thousands of memberships were obviously canceled due to players not enjoying the game anymore. This does mean less money for Jagex. They aren't money "obsessed", but they do want to make money.

 

And I don't think they "simply don't care" either. Of course they care about their product! What company doesn't? They simply have the game in their best interests, so they must take out what is affecting it in a negative fashion.

 

 

 

This isn't a debate at all. You present only two negative sides to an argument. A debate could go along the lines of "Does Jagex care for their game or not?" or "Is Jagex truly in it for the money?".

 

But, I have seen those topics before, so you'd just be spamming up the forums even more if you were to recreate them xD

Because Jagex is a company, they're in this to make money, that's what a company does.

 

 

 

Wanting to make money is a thing, but lying is another. There exists companies that are honest and genuinely care about what their clients want, the quality of their service and products. Let's say company A: They made hand-made products to assure quality and durability, they don't make outragenous marketing promises, they help members of their community, sell their products at reasonable prices, and they don't lie. While company B will manufacture some crap in china at a lower price tag, with little durability, big marketing compaign, twist clinical studies to make it say a lie, they will make the big bucks for a little while, and when people realize their product is crap, they create some sort of "enhanced" formula to create new interest. Both company A and B are there to make money, but the way in which they operate is completely different.

 

 

 

If you want a hands-on example. Let's say iams pet food. When we watch their commercials we get the impression what they sell is healthy, but it isn't. They sell the same supermarket crap as the other companies, except they sell it at a higher price under the false premise it is healthy. They exploit people's ignorance and carelessness about pet food. Then there are companies like innova who sell genuine healthy foods for pets. Both are in for the money, but one is honest, and the other isn't. Huge difference.

 

 

 

We expect most companies to lie, but that doesn't make it right.

 

Wanting to make money is a thing, but lying is another. There exists companies that are honest and genuinely care about what their clients want, the quality of their service and products.

 

 

 

Okay, I understand your thought. But are you implying that Jagex lies?

 

I do think they are genuine and honest, and heed to what their clients want when asked (Guaranteed Content Polls). They also chose to change their game to improve the quality of it through the removal of almost all RWT, and, not to mention, we ARE getting a big quality update next month, aren't we? Through the higher detail mode?

 

Wanting to make money is a thing, but lying is another. There exists companies that are honest and genuinely care about what their clients want, the quality of their service and products.

 

 

 

Okay, I understand your thought. But are you implying that Jagex lies?

 

I do think they are genuine and honest, and heed to what their clients want when asked (Guaranteed Content Polls). They also chose to change their game to improve the quality of it through the removal of almost all RWT, and, not to mention, we ARE getting a big quality update next month, aren't we? Through the higher detail mode?

 

 

 

Jagex DOES lie. Just read the first 2 pages of the thread I linked here and you'll have an idea on what I'm talking about.

 

Wanting to make money is a thing, but lying is another. There exists companies that are honest and genuinely care about what their clients want, the quality of their service and products.

 

 

 

Okay, I understand your thought. But are you implying that Jagex lies?

 

I do think they are genuine and honest, and heed to what their clients want when asked (Guaranteed Content Polls). They also chose to change their game to improve the quality of it through the removal of almost all RWT, and, not to mention, we ARE getting a big quality update next month, aren't we? Through the higher detail mode?

 

 

 

Jagex DOES lie. Just read the first 2 pages of the thread I linked here and you'll have an idea on what I'm talking about.

 

 

 

Customer Support and whether or not it's human-handled has been debated for years and years. No real evidence has come up that shows Jagex is lying about it =\

 

Also, I don't really trust Truthscape, especially the Issues section. For, in my opinion, far too many accusations with no evidence, as well as hate towards Jagex have been born there.

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Wanting to make money is a thing, but lying is another. There exists companies that are honest and genuinely care about what their clients want, the quality of their service and products.

 

 

 

Okay, I understand your thought. But are you implying that Jagex lies?

 

I do think they are genuine and honest, and heed to what their clients want when asked (Guaranteed Content Polls). They also chose to change their game to improve the quality of it through the removal of almost all RWT, and, not to mention, we ARE getting a big quality update next month, aren't we? Through the higher detail mode?

 

 

 

Jagex DOES lie. Just read the first 2 pages of the thread I linked here and you'll have an idea on what I'm talking about.

 

 

 

Customer Support and whether or not it's human-handled has been debated for years and years. No real evidence has come up that shows Jagex is lying about it =\

 

Also, I don't really trust Truthscape, especially the Issues section. For, in my opinion, far too many accusations with no evidence, as well as hate towards Jagex have been born there.

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If you won't read it, you won't understand. There ARE evidence that uses Jagex that it's automatic, they were even trying to get around it! You'll find many quotes of what Jagex mods said there.

i think jagex dose care, the fact its a company proves this as they need to make money so caring about the game is improtant to making there profit in respond to the inital post, jagex are probally sick to the back teeth of people complaining about the rwt updates/other old updtaes and now are more interested in moving forward i.e the new graphical update.

 

 

 

Just because there are several problems that exist in game doesnt mean jagex dont care, just that there not perfect

 

 

 

As far as Jagex lying is concerned i dont really feel in a postition to comment, but i doubt its a regular occurance

I have read, I do understand, Kinggabe. All I really see is paranoid thoughts and dissection of what the Jagex Mods respond with. They think too much, in my opinion. And I still stand by my point that no REAL, CONCLUSIVE evidence has come forth that says there's no human interaction with most appeals. When the day comes that Jagex steps out and declares that they have indeed been using automated systems to review and judge many appeals, then I will personally PM you and complete and full apology about my ignorance to the matter. Until then, I stand firm~

And I still stand by my point that no REAL, CONCLUSIVE evidence has come forth that says there's no human interaction with most appeals.

 

 

A player mod came foward and said what was happening. We all saw screenshots of Jagex completely off-target answers to appeals. We know jagex sometimes answers to appeals and questions within seconds. What else do you want? A criminal investigation? We know that's not going to happen. Just use your head. Things are declared as fact when enough evidence is collected. In courts of law, that's how it works. We never know at 100%, if that's what you want, because that just doesn't happen. But, it's possible to collect enough evidence for it to be satisfactory.

 

 

 

No really, what do you want? People would show you a video evidence, you'd say it was photoshopped. People would show you screenshots, you'd say it's fake. People you show you a player mod's testimony, you'd say it's made-up. Wake up, you want "fact". This is HOW fact is made: by building a case.

I already stated what I wanted -.- For a Jagex Mod, an actual Jagex employee to come out and say it's actually automated.

 

Player mods saying things doesn't do justice, they aren't Jagex Employees. The response on page 2 of the link from the Jagex Mod is clear enough about why there are seconds later responses. I do recognize their avoidance of certain appeal questions, though.

 

 

 

Also...you can't really "photoshop a video", can you? I haven't seen videos, screenshots though. And again, I probably wouldn't believe a P Mod's testimony against Jagex, simply because:

 

A, If the player is against Jagex, yes they'll slander them to make them look bad.

 

B, Once again, Player Mods are not Jagex Mods or Jagex employees. They should have very little to no understanding about inner workings at Jagex and hoe they deal with appeals.

I already stated what I wanted -.- For a Jagex Mod, an actual Jagex employee to come out and say it's actually automated.

 

Player mods saying things doesn't do justice, they aren't Jagex Employees. The response on page 2 of the link from the Jagex Mod is clear enough about why there are seconds later responses. I do recognize their avoidance of certain appeal questions, though.

 

 

 

Also...you can't really "photoshop a video", can you? I haven't seen videos, screenshots though. And again, I probably wouldn't believe a P Mod's testimony against Jagex, simply because:

 

A, If the player is against Jagex, yes they'll slander them to make them look bad.

 

B, Once again, Player Mods are not Jagex Mods or Jagex employees. They should have very little to no understanding about inner workings at Jagex and hoe they deal with appeals.

 

 

 

Wrong! They know more then you think. For one, Jagex stated that they usually have their system look at small offenses usually, and not them. I mean seriously, how can they read a paragraph and answer it within seconds. That's right, they CAN'T!

Okay, so I'm wrong there. What now?

 

I think the actual appeals "the system" went over were smaller offenses where the person pleads guilty, right? Because it's then that there's no need for human interaction, I suppose~

 

Just deal the according punishment =\

I've given up all hope in JaGex many moons ago...and Bloodkay, you don't have to try and impress anyone by defending them so diligently (and if you truly do think they are that great I feel sorry for you).

Not trying to impress anyone, this is a damn forum.

 

Had you read my latest post you would have noticed that I admitted I WAS WRONG!

 

But don't stop being ignorant on my account :roll:

Guess my thread is fail :(

If Jagex didn't care about the game they created, don't you think they would stop updating it?

Money is the answer.

why is it that whenever i read threads like this i get the feeling that jagex is the only company any of you have ever dealt with? customer service is regularly handled in the cheapest way possible. i personally would be more upset if jagex hired a thousand more employees to handle these reports. if i send in a report for password scamming, i would be more than happy with an automated program that looks for key words regularly used in scams.

 

 

 

however having an automated system puts more responsibility on the community, if someone is reported for a joke, and the system or over-worked employee scans the report for keywords and decides to mute/ban. well then i dont see how it is entirely jagex's fault, and while they should make more of an effort to correct the problem, the true fault lies with the players. the sheer number of both legitimate and false reports puts a huge strain on the customer service department. to fix the problem, we as players need to control the reports, only sending one in when we are truly offended or there is a serious rule breaker.

 

 

 

we also need to accept that fact that no, its not perfect, but i can honestly say in my 7 years playing this game that i have been overall impressed by any contact i have had with jagex.