I love training slayer. Even at maxed melees I still do tons of slayer tasks and enjoy it. I can't say the same about summoning. Camping a monster only for charms is such a drag to me. Even waterfiends seem dreadfully slow to me. The only location I enjoy specifically going for charms is to rock lobs, but I'm simply sick of draining all my cash there. So what is the point of me telling you all of this? Well, I want to pinpoint the absolute best charm dropping tasks to get while slaying. I think that the best way to do this is to just find the ratio of summoning exp you get per slayer exp on every task.

 

 

 

After trying to write this stuff down in note pad, and getting completely sick of typing so many numbers into the calculator

 

over and over again, I decided to make a nice spread sheet that did all the work for me. For those of you with experience in using Excel spreadsheets, here is the link: http://www.mediafire.com/?tmmbxejnbcw If you don't have excel or lack experience in it, I'll walk you through some things.

 

 

 

First of all, if you don't own Excel, you can download Open Office from http://www.openoffice.org . Basically, free programs very comparable to Microsoft Office. If you don't want to download this, but you still want to help, feel free to calculate everything on your own, but I would advise against it because a spreadsheet program will make things a whole lot easier.

 

 

 

For those of you using the Open Office Calc, before USING any part of the spreadsheet, you need to enable editing of the file. You want to click on the edit file button on the toolbar:

 

 

You will then be asked to make a copy of the file. Click OK. You need to do this because the file I posted is from Excel and isn't able to be edited bye Open Office in the form it came as.

 

 

 

When you open the spreadsheet, you should be on the Calculations page by default. If you aren't, click the tab on the bottom that says calculations:

 

 

This should be a pretty straightforward process, but I'll run through it real quick.

 

1.) You want to start off by changing the values in the "Exp Per Charm" row to the values that you would be using for your training. In the file that I have saved, I'm making Barker Toads, Unicorn Stallions, Swamp Titans, and Geyser Titans.

 

 

 

2.) Get a slayer task. Use the Task Exp Calc to figure out how much slayer exp you're going to get from the task. The tab labeled "Monsters" has a list of all Duradel monsters that drop charms, and their hitpoints (a monster's hits determines the slayer exp you get from it). Type in the number assigned, and the slayer exp per monster, and then the total exp on the task will be calculated for you. Plug the expected slayer exp into the top column labeled "Total Slayer Exp". You can do this after your task as well, but I like to get it over with before hand, so I dont forget the number I was assigned. If you are doing a task like Scarabites where you may be killing monsters of various hitpoints, there is a place where you can record your exp before the task, and then after the task, and the difference will be calculated for you.

 

 

 

3.) Do the slayer task, and pick up all of the charms you get. When the task is over, simply record the number of each charm you got under the matching column. In the example picture, I got 42 gold, 17 green, 91 crimson, 1 blue. The number under "Total Sum. Exp" will be calculated for you. Also, the ratio you end up with will automatically be calculated under "Summoning exp per Slayer exp".

 

 

 

4.) Write this number down on the page labeled "Averages". There are 5 columns provided, to record the ratio on multiple tasks of the same monster. YOU DO NOT NEED TO FILL UP ALL 5 TO SUBMIT INFORMATION ON YOUR MONSTER. I have written down all the Shilo charm droppers already (except for any that I do not have access to), so if you use Shilo you are all set. If you don't use shilo, you might need to erase some monster names, and write new ones. If you need to add more rows, highlight an entire row, then copy and paste into a different row. This will copy the code that creates the averages in the last column. If you need to move the section at the bottom that says "Total Average" you can highlight both boxes, and then drag them down by clicking and holding on the edge of the cell (aka, the rectangle that holds the writing).

 

 

 

And thats it! Whew. Soon, you will be seeing what tasks you should and shouldn't be doing if you want to maximize the summoning exp you get while slaying. Here are the ratios (of summoning exp per slayer exp) that have been calculated so far:

 

 

 

[hide=Level 85+ summoning]Abberant spectres: 0.98

 

Black demons: 1.42

 

Gargoyles: 0.81

 

Scarabites: 1.30

 

Skeletal Wyverns: 2.33[/hide]

 

 

 

Feel free to reply here with any average ratios that you calculate on your own. However, please make sure you have at least 5 numbers to contribute before posting, as this shouldn't turn into a spam fest of people posting after every single task they do. If many people work on this, we would quickly assemble a list that accurately shows what slayer monsters can get you to 99 summoning by the time you get 99 slayer, and what tasks wont. If any of you experience a real difficulty with adding new rows to accommodate for using a different master, just ask and I can assemble a version of the sheet made for your slayer master.

 

 

 

[hide=Please submit any information in the following format---]Name you want written to give credit to:

 

Summoning level calculated at:

 

Specific pouches used for calculations:

 

(Name of first monster): (ratio calculated)

 

(Name of second monster): (ratio calculated)[/hide]

 

 

 

If any mod feels that this belongs somewhere else, feel free to move it. I asked the opinion of a few mods before posting here though, and it belongs in general in my own opinion also.

 

 

 

List of contributors:

 

Myweponsgood :P

Very good idea. Also nice you've alraedy made a spread sheet. Too bad I just quit slaying for a while. People will be amazed by the greatness of skeletal wyverns :-). They are nearly as good as waterfiends, if not better. With toggling piety they are also decently fast.

 

Anyway, nice work, lets hope other people can help you completing it.

I can tell you from personal experience it is this:

 

 

 

You get 3/4 the Slayer exp that you do Summoning exp.

 

 

 

I have gone from 91-94 (trying to close in on 95) Slayer while collecting the charms I get as drops, and overall, I have gotten about a quarter more summoning exp than slayer.

 

 

 

Now, obviously you can't fully measure this since it differs from task to task, but that's my personal imput.

I can tell you from personal experience it is this:

 

 

 

You get 3/4 the Slayer exp that you do Summoning exp.

 

 

 

I have gone from 91-94 (trying to close in on 95) Slayer while collecting the charms I get as drops, and overall, I have gotten about a quarter more summoning exp than slayer.

 

 

 

Now, obviously you can't fully measure this since it differs from task to task, but that's my personal imput.

 

 

 

From what I've seen its coming out like this. There are some really good tasks where you get twice as much summoning as slayer, but there are also some tasks like spirit mages that drop no charms.

 

 

 

Also, the higher your summoning, the higher the ratio will be!

Your Slayer XP calculator is incorrect. The Slayer XP given by a monster is not always equal to its HP. There are many cases where it differs, in the worst case, by 95.5 XP points, in fact (K'ril Tsutsaroth)!

 

 

 

You might want to change it from "Monster HP" to "Slayer XP". If you need the values for a particular monster, ask me. I know almost all of them.

Your Slayer XP calculator is incorrect. The Slayer XP given by a monster is not always equal to its HP. There are many cases where it differs, in the worst case, by 95.5 XP points, in fact (K'ril Tsutsaroth)!

 

 

 

You might want to change it from "Monster HP" to "Slayer XP". If you need the values for a particular monster, ask me. I know almost all of them.

 

 

 

Can you give an example of a normal monster that has a noticeable difference between Hits and Slayer exp? I don't think someone who is concerned with summoning exp per slayer exp is going to go and kill tons of God Wars bosses for his charms and slayer exp.

Your Slayer XP calculator is incorrect. The Slayer XP given by a monster is not always equal to its HP. There are many cases where it differs, in the worst case, by 95.5 XP points, in fact (K'ril Tsutsaroth)!

 

 

 

You might want to change it from "Monster HP" to "Slayer XP". If you need the values for a particular monster, ask me. I know almost all of them.

 

 

 

Can you give an example of a normal monster that has a noticeable difference between Hits and Slayer exp? I don't think someone who is concerned with summoning exp per slayer exp is going to go and kill tons of God Wars bosses for his charms and slayer exp.

 

 

 

Here's 39 of them. And that's not all of them since these are just the one's I've bothered to put in my database so far.

 

 

 

Full Texts  	name 	hp 	slayer

Edit 	Delete 	Arrg 	140 	150.5

Edit 	Delete 	Black dragon 	190 	199.4

Edit 	Delete 	Blue dragon 	105 	107.6

Edit 	Delete 	Bronze dragon 	122 	125

Edit 	Delete 	Dad 	120 	150.5

Edit 	Delete 	Dagannoth 	95 	99.6

Edit 	Delete 	Dagannoth Rex 	255 	331.4

Edit 	Delete 	Dark beast 	220 	225

Edit 	Delete 	Duke 	130 	133.2

Edit 	Delete 	Elf warrior 	105 	107.6

Edit 	Delete 	Ice Troll 	80 	86

Edit 	Delete 	Ice Troll 	80 	86

Edit 	Delete 	Ice Troll 	90 	96.6

Edit 	Delete 	Ice Troll 	80 	96.6

Edit 	Delete 	Ice Troll 	80 	86

Edit 	Delete 	Ice Troll 	120 	107.4

Edit 	Delete 	Ice Troll 	100 	107.4

Edit 	Delete 	Ice Troll King 	150 	150.5

Edit 	Delete 	Iron dragon 	165 	173.2

Edit 	Delete 	K'ril Tsutsaroth 	255 	350.5

Edit 	Delete 	Kalphite Queen 	255 	267.8

Edit 	Delete 	King Black Dragon 	240 	258

Edit 	Delete 	Monkey Guard 	130 	133.2

Edit 	Delete 	Monkey Guard 	130 	133.2

Edit 	Delete 	Mourner 	105 	107.6

Edit 	Delete 	Oipuis 	130 	133.2

Edit 	Delete 	Ouhai 	130 	133.2

Edit 	Delete 	Padulah 	130 	133.2

Edit 	Delete 	Red dragon 	140 	142.5

Edit 	Delete 	Rock 	140 	150.5

Edit 	Delete 	Skeletal Wyvern 	200 	210

Edit 	Delete 	Skeletal Wyvern 	200 	210

Edit 	Delete 	Skeleton 	110 	112

Edit 	Delete 	Steel dragon 	210 	220.4

Edit 	Delete 	Stick 	135 	141.5

Edit 	Delete 	Suqah 	105 	107.6

Edit 	Delete 	Troll general 	140 	150.5

Edit 	Delete 	Uodai 	130 	133.2

Edit 	Delete 	Uyoro 	130 	133.2

Simple.

 

 

 

Slayer = minimum of 100K monsters

 

Summoning = around 40K more or less, waterfiends.

 

 

 

Problem solved :mrgreen:

Simple.

 

 

 

Slayer = minimum of 100K monsters

 

Summoning = around 40K more or less, waterfiends.

 

 

 

Problem solved :mrgreen:

 

 

 

There's no cause for using offensive language here whether you're joking or not. Please try to be more constructive/helpful in the future when replying to other people's posts- Dragon_R

 

 

 

@dooku, are you positive that this hasn't been changed? I was just at Wyverns today and was too lazy to look up their HP so I killed one and recorded it as 200 slayer exp per kill.... :?

I can give you how many charms i have achieved per how much slayer xp i have if that helps?

 

I havn't converted my charms into Summoning xp yet.

Won't the amount of Summoning exp. change depending on Summoning level? Won't that make it impossible to make a scientific comparison?

 

 

 

I think a better tool would be to figure out charm drops per Slayer exp (or even just per monster). People could just drop that info into the Summoning planner and have an accurate result.

Simple.

 

 

 

Slayer = minimum of 100K monsters

 

Summoning = around 40K more or less, waterfiends.

 

 

 

Problem solved :mrgreen:

 

 

 

@dooku, are you positive that this hasn't been changed? I was just at Wyverns today and was too lazy to look up their HP so I killed one and recorded it as 200 slayer exp per kill.... :?

 

 

 

Then you recorded it mistakenly.

Simple.

 

 

 

Slayer = minimum of 100K monsters

 

Summoning = around 40K more or less, waterfiends.

 

 

 

Problem solved :mrgreen:

 

 

 

It was a joke, something many tipit'ers do these days, and don't call me a jackass, I didn't call you anything obscene so i'd appreciate the same courtesy, thanks :|

triquos, it looked like you totally ignored his thread. :P

 

 

 

Interesting project idea, I'd been wondering something similar, over the long term slayer vs summoning exp..... 225k slayer recently got me 180k summoning, and yesterday 100k slayer was 75k exp of charms banked.

 

 

 

It seems that over the long term, slayer goes up slightly faster than summoning, if you avoided the tasks with horrible charm drops you could probably manipulate that enough to help you though.

http://forum.[Please Use QuickFind Code].ws?22 ... 062,goto,6

 

 

 

This guide on RSOF has it already, for low and high level summoners, and includes a great slayer guide.

http://forum.[Please Use QuickFind Code].ws?22,23,733,55654062,goto,6

 

 

 

This guide on RSOF has it already, for low and high level summoners, and includes a great slayer guide.

 

 

 

Wow what an amazing guide. Shame its on the RSOF. A few monsters are missing their drop percentages but thats about it.

 

 

 

@Triquos, ease up!!! I WAS JOKING TOOO!!!!!!! JEEZ YOU DONT GET MY JOKES....... :x