Staying out of the flaming, I must admit I agree - I'm finding out that the godsword aint all it's cracked up to be. It is easily beaten in PVP by veracs, OR whip + defender\DFS. I would guess it would be superior at sara as well - that range defence, or lack thereof, really isn't that big (Verac's brassy instead of torag's plate). It's why I sold my SGS, and I haven't looked back yet. I might pick it up again someday if it ever falls below 20m; the special is quite handy, but its not useful otherwise.

From the start to the end: the topic has been about which is best, you have yet to post any evidence that shows GS is best.

 

 

 

Winner? I don't give a darn about who wins or looses.

 

 

 

As for my numbers and superdefence: are you completely [developmentally delayed]ed? They are just ways to illustrate how a monster is.

 

 

 

I called it "Super defence", it does not mean it does have super defence duuh. Even if it does, how can you say a monster does have super defence? It was just something that i called it, cause i found it nice.

 

 

 

And yes, any monster that makes you hit 4-6 0s easily: has so called defence that is super defence >in other words: over average defence.

 

 

 

When it comes to the specs of a gs: we are talking about best damaging weapon: not best healing or stopping. On top of it: theres big difference between a AGS and a Verac set.

 

 

 

So ZGS+SGS don't count in this debate cause it's about best damaging weapon....but ofc if you got a sgs (if i had ) you should use it along with verac. Use Verac set to damage, and SGS to heal, simple as that.

 

 

 

The giant rock crab test: was tests, it shows that:

 

 

 

- They were higher defence than Saradomin

 

- That Verac set is a great set

 

- But not that it will be exact at Saradomin, but maybe similiar

 

- It was a test that was alright to do: but it was not accurate test as crabs has higher defencee

 

 

 

 

 

But i am gonna test it on Saradomin boss.

 

 

 

But i tell you what: if you do not like my numbers, how about going to Saradomin GWD for yourself and experience it?

The thing is SirHemen, you can't just make up a group of numbers and call it 'proof'

 

 

 

Testing on something else is also inaccurate.

 

You can't just do one kill with each weapon on a completely different monster and say that it's the same for Sara God Wars.

The thing is SirHemen, you can't just make up a group of numbers and call it 'proof'

 

 

 

Testing on something else is also inaccurate.

 

You can't just do one kill with each weapon on a completely different monster and say that it's the same for Sara God Wars.

 

 

 

I never said that, i said just that the results would be same: seeing as Giant rock crabs and Saradomin has high defence both.

 

 

 

And i have made those numbers based on experience: 10+ hilts , and 40+ TRIPS.

 

 

 

As i said: they are numbers to illustrate their defence, yes it's inaccurate but what the hell? How can i know their defence, i am just trying to illustrate the difficulty of piercing through the bosses defence.

 

 

Let's talk about proof in this debate: proof that GS beats Verac set, find it and Quato it for me please. If you find any that is.

 

 

 

And i did two tests of Verac vs GS on Giant Rock crab

 

 

 

2nd test:

 

I super potted with GS

 

No pots with verac.

 

 

 

Verac beat GS by 2min, want the video link?

 

There you go..

 

http://www.dailymotion.com/Dragonfang20 ... videogames

 

 

 

 

 

And no this does not mean it's same at Saradomin boss, but it's similiar as i have said: they both have high defence. And i experienced Giant rock crab has higher than Sara.

 

 

 

But this means: that Verac Set has great chance of working better than GS seeing as it's ignore effect ignores the high defence of the boss.

I'm also trying to avoid the flame, but try to do the test at Saradomin... it might be a little hard, but it should be do-able.

 

 

 

And Verac's truely has lower defense. It could be a substitute, but I doubt it will replace it. The only proof we have is experience, yet you have none. So until you actually come with some evidence, I'll keep using a GS, and suggest to others to do so.

 

 

 

Again, I'm trying to avoid flame. It's kinda hard on this thread though...

I'm also trying to avoid the flame, but try to do the test at Saradomin... it might be a little hard, but it should be do-able.

 

 

 

And Verac's truely has lower defense. It could be a substitute, but I doubt it will replace it. The only proof we have is experience, yet you have none. So until you actually come with some evidence, I'll keep using a GS, and suggest to others to do so.

 

 

 

Again, I'm trying to avoid flame. It's kinda hard on this thread though...

 

 

 

If you are thinking to flame in this topic: it's very easy to avoid that: just don't post. Since you said it's hard, thought i should give you the answer :D .

 

 

 

Anyhow what do you mean by "The only proof we have is experience, yet you have noone"?, i did not understand that so explain.

 

 

 

On to Verac and GS defense:

 

 

 

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Verac Set

 

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As we can see: the big difference between Verac and Torag/Gs defence is that: Torag has higher range than Verac, and in usual melee defense it's just a bit above Verac.

 

 

 

What we also can see? We can see that Verac has +7 more prayer. Now we are talking about defense stats: but this info is relevant.

 

 

 

Why? At Saradomin i often pray piety, and that wastes prayer fast up. But let's say that you didn't pray piety, but that you only protected magic and that was only thing. Now, if you needed more defence you could choose the spell "Steel skin" which increases your defence by 15%.

 

 

 

So my defence would be: level 135 with brew potted and steel skin. As i said: Verac gear has +25 prayer bonus and GS gear has 18 prayer bonus. Now the +7 prayer bonus Verac set has over GS, can be used to pray "Steel skin". Yes you can do the same thing with GS gear, but then your prayer will drain a bit fast.

 

 

 

So there is no problem with Verac set: you can pray steel skin and get alot defence boost. the +7 prayer bonus will compensate for it.

Unless you are already pietying with a godsword?

Unless you are already pietying with a godsword?

 

 

 

Yes, but if i (who melee alot) use piety with Verac, i would (and have) do the same.

 

 

 

But i would not use Torag items:

 

 

 

Why?

 

Cause players use Verac skirt alot when ranging, and reason is: prayer bonus.

 

 

 

So i would use verac helm/brass and skirt when i use GS. But me and you talked about how Torag has high defence, and i chose helm of neizinot and torag plate and leg in the "GS Gear".

 

 

 

So: Verac defence: is not necessarily that much worse than torags. You can just pray piety/steel skin, but i can promise you.

 

 

 

If you pray piety with 18 prayer bonus: you will notice that your super restores go out very fast.

 

 

 

So is the defence question cleared out?

 

 

 

P.S: What did you mean by "The only proof we have is experience, yet you have noone"?

Doing a real test at Sara would be bordering on impossible - there is no way you could isolate enough variables, unless you recorded each hit then used the timing for calculations of average damage. But the godswords speed means that you miss out on fewer hits when running or eating, your stats and prayer would vary wildly, if you soloed you would die quickly, and with a team your numbers would probably go off - Testing at rock crabs doesn't prove a whole lot either; who's to say that Zilly relys more on her defence (which verac's doesn't affect) instead of 'armor' bonus, whereas rock crabs rely on their 'armor' (hard shell) instead of defence (This would seem to be true; defence is 3/5ths the factor in deciding if magic spells hit, and although it is very simple to hit rock crabs with even a very low magic bonus, Zilly is very hard to hit even with max mage bonus). Frankly, I think whip would outhit godsword and possibly veracs, but there's really no way to test.

Doing a real test at Sara would be bordering on impossible - there is no way you could isolate enough variables, unless you recorded each hit then used the timing for calculations of average damage. But the godswords speed means that you miss out on fewer hits when running or eating, your stats and prayer would vary wildly, if you soloed you would die quickly, and with a team your numbers would probably go off - Testing at rock crabs doesn't prove a whole lot either; who's to say that Zilly relys more on her defence (which verac's doesn't affect) instead of 'armor' bonus, whereas rock crabs rely on their 'armor' (hard shell) instead of defence (This would seem to be true; defence is 3/5ths the factor in deciding if magic spells hit, and although it is very simple to hit rock crabs with even a very low magic bonus, Zilly is very hard to hit even with max mage bonus). Frankly, I think whip would outhit godsword and possibly veracs, but there's really no way to test.

 

 

 

Actually i did a test with my friend who has 99 def, where he tanked boss while i damaged her. He's good friend so it's easy to trust him.

 

 

 

The test : had some bad things where i forgot to wear verac gear (i wore god items for KC) to kill, and i forgot to record GS after i paused first kill :wall: :wall:

 

 

 

But i will do another video as soon as i can: this time it will be way better.

Doing a real test at Sara would be bordering on impossible - there is no way you could isolate enough variables, unless you recorded each hit then used the timing for calculations of average damage. But the godswords speed means that you miss out on fewer hits when running or eating, your stats and prayer would vary wildly, if you soloed you would die quickly, and with a team your numbers would probably go off - Testing at rock crabs doesn't prove a whole lot either; who's to say that Zilly relys more on her defence (which verac's doesn't affect) instead of 'armor' bonus, whereas rock crabs rely on their 'armor' (hard shell) instead of defence (This would seem to be true; defence is 3/5ths the factor in deciding if magic spells hit, and although it is very simple to hit rock crabs with even a very low magic bonus, Zilly is very hard to hit even with max mage bonus). Frankly, I think whip would outhit godsword and possibly veracs, but there's really no way to test.

 

 

 

Actually i did a test with my friend who has 99 def, where he tanked boss while i damaged her. He's good friend so it's easy to trust him.

 

 

 

The test : had some bad things where i forgot to wear verac gear (i wore god items for KC) to kill, and i forgot to record GS after i paused first kill :wall: :wall:

 

 

 

But i will do another video as soon as i can: this time it will be way better.

 

See, you'd have to have too big of a test range though - obviously you'd be in regular gear praying piety etc, but you'd have to have 100s of kills before you got real, clear data.

All i know is that: if Verac hits alot more often than GS then it's more useful than Gs.

 

 

 

You can disagree with me, but that's how i feel about it.

 

 

 

About test: i did everything similiar like i do at Saradomin GWD melee, so nothing was changed.

 

 

 

The only change was: i was killing boss, and my friend took all damage while i video recorded how long Verac set and GS took in killing boss. + I also was interested in the data about:

 

 

 

What was most accurate in hits, was it GS or Verac set?

 

 

 

Did Gs hit high but hit 0s?

 

 

 

and So on.

I was agreeing that veracs was better then godsword (as is whip + defender), but testing it reliably would be next to impossible.