LMAO Ronald reagan is the greatest american ever!

[Ryan]

I don't trust the results of any poll in which Dr. Phil is considered a great American.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Considering he doesn't even have the degree to be called a doctor.

[unknownmasterofnothing]

reagan was pretty popular, along with clinton. I can see that reagan would be pretty popular w/ older people.

[Comet2002]

I don't trust the results of any poll in which Dr. Phil is considered a great American.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rofl I agree. :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would have thought Washington, Lincoln, Franklin, Jefferson, etc would have been number 1. :?

[Evil_Elf]

reagan was pretty popular, along with clinton. I can see that reagan would be pretty popular w/ older people.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I forgot about that. The show was on A&E! Their main viewer group is 49+ IIRC

[KnightLite]

lmao, this country has too many republicans

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

he was hardly the "greatest american" :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and I'm guessing you know enough about Politics to back that up with an intelligent answer?

[bmagic]

There's a lot of great Americans, but for the top Presidents I'd have to say Washington, FDR, Lincoln. Reagan nowhere as close in my list.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

finally someone i agree with

 

 

 

Reagan did nothing but put us into more poverty in the long run

 

 

 

JFK is overrated he got to be president because of tv and he did not accomplish anything he promised (civil liberty, direct relief... etc.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

FDR would be #1 for me ashington and lincoln are okay too

[indy500fan]

 

There's a lot of great Americans, but for the top Presidents I'd have to say Washington, FDR, Lincoln. Reagan nowhere as close in my list.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

finally someone i agree with

 

 

 

Reagan did nothing but put us into more poverty in the long run

 

 

 

JFK is overrated he got to be president because of tv and he did not accomplish anything he promised (civil liberty, direct relief... etc.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

FDR would be #1 for me ashington and lincoln are okay too

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

you complain about reagan putting us into poverty, and the you say FDR is #1? fdr screwed up the economic system more than any otehr president left. he caused us to stay in the great depression a lot longer than it should have lasted.

[Lordjake]

fdr screwed up the economic system more than any otehr president left. he caused us to stay in the great depression a lot longer than it should have lasted.

 

 

 

Err, actually FDR got us out of the Great Depression :?

 

 

 

They weren't called FDRvilles, they were called Hoovervilles.

 

 

 

And who are you to judge how long the G.D. "should have lasted" ?

[mhrobinson2]

BUSH!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i would have to same benjamin franklin, bill clinton and around number 5 i would put 2pac :D (hey im making the list, prove 95 people are better "americans" than him plus, if ur in the UK u gotta love pac, he dethroned that annoying frog)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i think dr. phil is a moron. martha stewart is the typical mother in law from hell.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

btw was that preacher (cant remember his name) that was on the world news a few days ago, you know the give me 1000 dollars and ull go to heaven guy, i seriously hope he wasent on there, diddy either

[Evil_Elf]

 

 

 

Err, actually FDR got us out of the Great Depression :?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You don't know that, nobody does.

[KnightLite]

 

 

 

 

Err, actually FDR got us out of the Great Depression :?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You don't know that, nobody does.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That is, nobody that's ever picked up a textbook in their life.....

[unknownmasterofnothing]

 

 

 

 

 

Err, actually FDR got us out of the Great Depression :?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You don't know that, nobody does.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That is, nobody that's ever picked up a textbook in their life.....

 

 

 

hoover and fdr did their best to try to end the depression and in the end, WWII got us out of the great depression. Not FDR with his new deal nor Hoover's methods.

[indy500fan]

Err, actually FDR got us out of the Great Depression :?

 

 

 

They weren't called FDRvilles, they were called Hoovervilles.

 

 

 

And who are you to judge how long the G.D. "should have lasted" ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

hoover got us into the great depression. fdr kept us there. and who are you to judges how long the great depression should have happened? i dont think it should of happened at all, and it wouldnt have if the government at the time wasnt turning socialist, and was trying to completely control the economy by keeping an artificial economic boom. the government set interest rates irrationaly low, so everyone started to invest more and more, and then once some of the bills started to come in no one had any money. the government then raised the interest rates extremely high to stop borrowing, and that put many buisnesses out of buisness, and many people into bankruptcy. after doing that, fdr decides that since socialism got us into the great depression, lets blame it on capitalism and see how socialist we can go to get out of the great depression. so instead of letting the economy get better by itself, he decided he should control it. he then instituted many different laws including extremely high minimum wages onto american buisnesses, so that unskilled labor was earning much more than it should be. the buisnesses couldnt stay in buisness like this, so many failed and all the people were out of work. and instead of taking away all these stupid laws on buisnesses, he decides that he should worry about all the unemployed people who wont help at all in getting the country going again. so he creates social security. now all those unemployed people are getting paid for doing absolutly nothing, and all the money comes from taxing the people who are working. the people who are workign are already having trouble with increased prices in everything because buisness had to increase the prices to stay in buisness anymore, so the working people took the brunt of the assualt. now what did fdr do to get us out of the great depression? nothing. all he did was make it last longer, and made a lot of stupid laws that should have been previewed before put into effect, and should have been repealed once people saw what they did to ruin the country. instead people celebrated with fdr for "saving" us from the great depression.

[Higothrekk]

ridiculous, i mean reagen was great, but ted bundy beats him hands down.

[trapical]

I love it how 95% of you Reagan bashers weren't even alive when he was in office :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Was he the greatest? No, top 10 I would have to say. FDR's handling of the war whilst being paralized puts him up top in my book.

[bmagic]

 

Err, actually FDR got us out of the Great Depression :?

 

 

 

They weren't called FDRvilles, they were called Hoovervilles.

 

 

 

And who are you to judge how long the G.D. "should have lasted" ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

hoover got us into the great depression. fdr kept us there. and who are you to judges how long the great depression should have happened? i dont think it should of happened at all, and it wouldnt have if the government at the time wasnt turning socialist, and was trying to completely control the economy by keeping an artificial economic boom. the government set interest rates irrationaly low, so everyone started to invest more and more, and then once some of the bills started to come in no one had any money. the government then raised the interest rates extremely high to stop borrowing, and that put many buisnesses out of buisness, and many people into bankruptcy. after doing that, fdr decides that since socialism got us into the great depression, lets blame it on capitalism and see how socialist we can go to get out of the great depression. so instead of letting the economy get better by itself, he decided he should control it. he then instituted many different laws including extremely high minimum wages onto american buisnesses, so that unskilled labor was earning much more than it should be. the buisnesses couldnt stay in buisness like this, so many failed and all the people were out of work. and instead of taking away all these stupid laws on buisnesses, he decides that he should worry about all the unemployed people who wont help at all in getting the country going again. so he creates social security. now all those unemployed people are getting paid for doing absolutly nothing, and all the money comes from taxing the people who are working. the people who are workign are already having trouble with increased prices in everything because buisness had to increase the prices to stay in buisness anymore, so the working people took the brunt of the assualt. now what did fdr do to get us out of the great depression? nothing. all he did was make it last longer, and made a lot of stupid laws that should have been previewed before put into effect, and should have been repealed once people saw what they did to ruin the country. instead people celebrated with fdr for "saving" us from the great depression.

 

 

 

most of the laws werent "stupid"

 

 

 

thats why they are still in effect today

 

 

 

and he did technically save us from the great depression because he got us into ww2 which ended the depression

 

 

 

how would you know that it would have ended if he did not become president. how do u know that economy was going to get better by itself.

[Bubsa]

I find it amazing how you people can ignore Jefferson...

[KnightLite]

I find it amazing how you people can ignore Jefferson...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

or Benj Franklin...

[indy500fan]

most of the laws werent "stupid"

 

 

 

thats why they are still in effect today

 

 

 

and he did technically save us from the great depression because he got us into ww2 which ended the depression

 

 

 

how would you know that it would have ended if he did not become president. how do u know that economy was going to get better by itself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yes, most of the laws were stupid, and are still stupid, because stupid people were elected into office because they spouted stupid gibberish at the stupid masses that decided to vote them in. unemployment and social security and the other things fdr put into effect all steal from the productive workers and give to the lazy unemployed people. i dont see how that makes any sense, but the general masses think that they benefit from being made to pay taxes for programs that dont affect them at all.

 

 

 

the economy would have gotten better by itself if it was left alone completely (the main problem was that they were messing with it anyways by artificial interest rates and abandoning the gold standard) because with an economic system that is planned, if the central planner screws up, everything gets screwed up. if it was just left alone, the people who screw up only screw up them selves and the rest of the people are ok. and for the record, i got most of this from an articles by nathaniel branden and alan greenspan, who probably know more about economics than any of us.

[Evil_Elf]

 

 

 

and he did technically save us from the great depression because he got us into ww2 which ended the depression

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, that was Japan that got us into WWII. Any president would've declared war after something like that.

[bmagic]

 

 

 

 

and he did technically save us from the great depression because he got us into ww2 which ended the depression

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, that was Japan that got us into WWII. Any president would've declared war after something like that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

FDR said that he was looking for an oppurtunity to get all the isolationist to support the war somehow, when he made an agreement with some british guy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

the japanese warned the us that they were going to attack

 

 

 

and FDR told them to not attack the japanese until they were attacked first

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

if he didn't tell them this, the US would have attacked the Japanese first and there would have been major opposition to the war by the isolationist

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and FDR did have intentions of getting the US into the war

 

 

 

thats what i think :roll:

[Mayjest]

Ok, first of all world war 2 didn't start until America joined. Before that, there were two wars, one in Europe (Germany vs England/France, mainly), and one in the Pacific (Japan vs everyone else). Then Pearl Harbour happened. So the Americans joined the pacific war. Hitler, being the genius that he was, sent a message to the mexicans saying that Germany and Mexico would be allies if Mexico attacked the USA. And the day after Pearl Harbour, Germany declares war on the US. Good move Adolf. So America is now in both wars, unifying them both, as all the allies then declare war on each other, and we have a world war.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for FDR, Hoover and the Great Depression. Before 1929, America and the entire world was in a minor depression, similar to the one the world is in now. The difference is that the word depression is scary, so we call it a recession to make it sound nicer. The problem with 1929 was the Stock Market Crash. You all seem to have glossed over this. Over night, the economy was crippled. Not because of FDR's 'stupid laws', but because investors lost confidence in the market! The great depression was caused by merchants, not governments!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And I still have yet to see why Regan deserves being called the greatest American.

[Evil_Elf]

FDR's "stupid laws" didn't even exist then, and they couldnt have because he wasnt elected president until 1932. Also, there were more causes than just the stock market crash. FDR's programs etc did make huge debts and all that, its fact and theres no way to say they didn't. Its NOT a sure thing that they actually helped get out of the depression though.

[indy500fan]

The problem with 1929 was the Stock Market Crash. You all seem to have glossed over this. Over night, the economy was crippled. Not because of FDR's 'stupid laws', but because investors lost confidence in the market! The great depression was caused by merchants, not governments!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

if you had read what i wrote, you would know i explained exactly that. the GOVERNMENT put its nose into buisness, creating artificially low interest rates, and everyone began to borrow when the economy couldnt support it. they invested all this money they borrowed into stocks, bonds, anything they could. once the loans needed to be repaid and the money didnt exist to repay them, the government raised interest rates extremely high to curb all borrowing, and te stock market crashed. if the government was never in it at all, then interest rates would have never been that low, and not everyone would have got extremely bad debt. the great depression would have never happened if the government hadnt intervened.

[bmagic]

 

The problem with 1929 was the Stock Market Crash. You all seem to have glossed over this. Over night, the economy was crippled. Not because of FDR's 'stupid laws', but because investors lost confidence in the market! The great depression was caused by merchants, not governments!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

if you had read what i wrote, you would know i explained exactly that. the GOVERNMENT put its nose into buisness, creating artificially low interest rates, and everyone began to borrow when the economy couldnt support it. they invested all this money they borrowed into stocks, bonds, anything they could. once the loans needed to be repaid and the money didnt exist to repay them, the government raised interest rates extremely high to curb all borrowing, and te stock market crashed. if the government was never in it at all, then interest rates would have never been that low, and not everyone would have got extremely bad debt. the great depression would have never happened if the government hadnt intervened.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

im not sure that the government had low interest rates, even if they did most people did not borrow money from the government

 

 

 

it was the merchants in the stock market that offered this "buying on margin," where you pay only a percentage of the stock.

 

 

 

most people invested this way because they thought the stock was going to rise so they would be about to pay the rest later, but when investors lost confidence there was a huge crash.

 

 

 

the government did not play a large role in the stock market or the economy until/during the great depression, where they made laws to prevent speculation and buying on margin, so that another crash would not occur. they also began to regulate the economy so people would not get into debt and would not loss faith in the banks.

 

 

 

This is why I support FDR.