November 4, 200817 yr As you can see, both has stats that say they are good. But i can't decide which one is best. I got a feeling Obsidian is though. But i wanna hear what you guys think.
November 4, 200817 yr I really can't tell you since I have never been to saradomin but if you have been there, are you being hit kinda hard and barly lasting. But if you last a long time and the take the spirit shield. Yeah I can't spell get over it!
November 4, 200817 yr Author The thing is...it's very hard for me to say which works best. Alot factors that affects it. -.-
November 4, 200817 yr You typically range there using Diamond Bolts (E). That brings it down to a question of +8 Range attack bonus or +20 Range defense bonus. In light of Spirit Shields being a hell of a lot cheaper, though...
November 4, 200817 yr Author You typically range there using Diamond Bolts (E). That brings it down to a question of +8 Range attack bonus or +20 Range defense bonus. In light of Spirit Shields being a hell of a lot cheaper, though... Yeah but price is not a problem.
November 4, 200817 yr Blessed spirit shield is the alternative, not Spirit shield. Go for Obsidian if those are the only two choices. [Summoning guide (AOW)] [Slayer guide] [Melee & Brawl player]
November 5, 200817 yr You typically range there using Diamond Bolts (E). That brings it down to a question of +8 Range attack bonus or +20 Range defense bonus. In light of Spirit Shields being a hell of a lot cheaper, though... Yeah but price is not a problem. I would say spirit sheild, better off to have a higher ranged attack bonus to get accurate hits. The boss hits to high for the +20 def bonus to make much of a diff Salim123's 99 Strength Party Today!!!
November 5, 200817 yr You typically range there using Diamond Bolts (E). That brings it down to a question of +8 Range attack bonus or +20 Range defense bonus. In light of Spirit Shields being a hell of a lot cheaper, though... Yeah but price is not a problem. If price isn't a problem just get a Divine or Elysian Spirit Shield, or a Dragonfire Shield for that matter. Why choose between the normal Spirit Shield or Toktz-Ket-Xil if you have enough money for the best stuff? Blessed spirit shield is the alternative, not Spirit shield. Go for Obsidian if those are the only two choices. It quite clearly says "Spirit Shield", not "Blessed Spirit Shield"...
November 5, 200817 yr Blessed spirit shield is the alternative, not Spirit shield. Go for Obsidian if those are the only two choices. You all forget 1 thing: spirit shield weights 0-1 kg! - THAT'S really a plus point! - especially when you want to run a lot.. so I would say spirit shield: if you get within melee defense won't help you anyways! First they came to fishingand I didn't speak out because I wasn't fishing Then they came to the yewsand I didn't speak out because I didn't cut yews Then they came for the oresand I didn't speak out because I didn't collect ores Then they came for meand there was no one left to speak out for me.
November 5, 200817 yr Blessed spirit shield is the alternative, not Spirit shield. Go for Obsidian if those are the only two choices. You all forget 1 thing: spirit shield weights 0-1 kg! - THAT'S really a plus point! - especially when you want to run a lot.. so I would say spirit shield: if you get within melee defense won't help you anyways! You typically range there using Diamond Bolts (E). That brings it down to a question of +8 Range attack bonus or +20 Range defense bonus. In light of Spirit Shields being a hell of a lot cheaper, though... Yeah but price is not a problem. If price isn't a problem just get a Divine or Elysian Spirit Shield, or a Dragonfire Shield for that matter. Why choose between the normal Spirit Shield or Toktz-Ket-Xil if you have enough money for the best stuff? Blessed spirit shield is the alternative, not Spirit shield. Go for Obsidian if those are the only two choices. It quite clearly says "Spirit Shield", not "Blessed Spirit Shield"... I quite clearly said that if you don't have a BSS, use the Obsidian. I meant that Spirit shield isn't the good alternative, BSS is. [Summoning guide (AOW)] [Slayer guide] [Melee & Brawl player]
November 5, 200817 yr Author I said price is no problem: between Obsidian and Spirit shield. As for everyone else: i can easily choose a shield. But what i forgot to ask for is good arguments for why one shield is better than other and detailed answers. I have analyzed shields well myself, but i again i wanna hear good comments about why one of the shield is better than the other. Blessed spirit shield is the alternative, not Spirit shield. Go for Obsidian if those are the only two choices. It's easy to say what one is best. But hard to describe why it is. So please describe. I guess, i gotta relay on my own skills to figure this one out maybe. There is bree (hard hitter), starlight other than boss who will damage you. So don't think boss is only one.
November 5, 200817 yr Hmm... I guess you could consider the other shield if you have a Unicorn. You need defense if you don't. [Summoning guide (AOW)] [Slayer guide] [Melee & Brawl player]
November 5, 200817 yr Author I am guessing "Other shield" is spirit. But your argument about defense makes sense. I have noticed that having good offence (Spirit shield: 0 negative range attack bonus) isn't always good. Here's what i believe: Obby shield has -8 ranged attack bonus,but range attack bonus does not matter alot (Cause once i had 190 at saradomin) and i still did not hit alot better. So you get good defense from obby, and you also use diamond e bolts which ignores a good size of a monsters defence. So range attack bonus i guess is not so important.
November 5, 200817 yr A spirit shield would be better at arma for the mage defense. An obsidian shield would be better at Sara for the range and melee(I think that starlight and zil use stab attacks). 8 Range bonus is pretty irrelevant at Sara or Arma. Barrows: 9~2 V Brass,V Flail,2 Dh Plate,V Helm,V Skirt,T Legs,Malevolent Shield + DKing: 48~6 W Ring,13 A Ring,8 M Staff,9 S Ring,7 B Ring,3 SeercullDragon Drops: 500+~50+ Med,26 Axe,3 Chain,10+ Legs,10+ Spear,2 D2h,10+ L Half,49 Boots,2 DDs,10+ Lump,9 Claws,50+ Dagger,14 Visage,50+ Mace,4 Scimitar,7 Hasta,Baxe,50+ Long,30+ Royal,2 Kite,4 Ward,2 Plate,Staff,Hammer,Limbs, Mattock,HalberdGWD: 156~4 S Staff,50+ Shard,9 B Tass,13 B Plate,5 B Boots,6 A Plate,11 S Sword,8 A Hilt,4 A Skirt,9 A Helm,S Hilt,3 B Hilt,B Glove,2 A Buckler,Z Ward,Z Garb,2 Z Boots,B Shield,B Helm Corp: 3~Elysian,2 Sp Sh + Nex: 6~Torva Legs,Cere,P cowl,Z bow,2 T boots + GWD2: 9~2 Glaive,Wand,2 Crest,Blade,2 Essence,Core + Araxyte: 5~Web,3 Pheromone,Fang + Raids: 4~3 Codex,P Boots + Trails: 2~Bob Shirt,Fortunate Etc: 64~3 Sceptre,B Mask,16 Whip,2 Focus Sight,5 D Bow,7 SOL,Ragefire,2 Steadfast,Arma Staff,6 Rider Armor,5 Vine,2 Razorback,2 A Wand,Abby Orb,3 Blood Shard,6 Hydrix,Gland,Asc Xbow [spoiler=Capes]Quest Cape Aquired 12-7-07 ~ Level 93 + + + Completionist Cape Aquired 5-22-15 ~ Level 138Hitpoints Cape Aquired 9-21-09 ~ Level 131 + Magic Cape Aquired 9-24-09 + Attack Cape Aquired 3-5-10 ~ Level 135 + Summoning Cape Aquired 3-12-10Strength Cape Aquired 6-1-11 ~ Level 137 + Fire Cape Aquired 6-23-11 + Defence Cape Aquired 7-5-11 + Ranged Cape Aquired 8-1-11 + Kiln Cape Aquired 2-26-12 ~ Level 138Dungeoneering Cape Aquired 4-22-12 + Slayer Cape Aquired 6-25-14 ~ Level 200 + Herblore Cape Acquired 12-9-14 ~ Level 138 + Prayer Cape Acquired 12-20-14Agility Cape Acquired 1-4-15 + Hunter Cape Acquired 1-30-15 + Construction Cape Acquired 1-31-15 + Crafting Cape Acquired 2-22-15 + Thieving Cape Acquired 3-18-15Runecrafting Cape Acquired 4-14-15 + Mining Cape Acquired 4-19-15 + Fishing Cape Acquired 4-25-15 + Firemaking Cape Acquired 4-26-15 + Woodcutting Cape Acquired 4-26-15Cooking Cape Acquired 4-26-15+ Smithing Cape Acquired 4-28-15 + Farming Cape Acquired 4-29-15 + Divination Cape Acquired 5-3-15 + Dungeoneering Mastery 5-4-15Fletching Cape Acquired 5-4-15 + Max Cape Acquired 5-4-15 + Invention Cape Acquired 11-9-16 + Invention Mastery 5-16-19 + Archaeology Cape Acquired 10-30-20
November 5, 200817 yr Author A spirit shield would be better at arma for the mage defense. An obsidian shield would be better at Sara for the range and melee(I think that starlight and zil use stab attacks). 8 Range bonus is pretty irrelevant at Sara or Arma. It also gives higher crush, +1 or 2 more magic def and +1 prayer. That's why i considered it. But i have used it at Arma, and i have gotten hit badly. So i don't think spirit shield beats Obby.
November 5, 200817 yr A spirit shield would be better at arma for the mage defense. An obsidian shield would be better at Sara for the range and melee(I think that starlight and zil use stab attacks). 8 Range bonus is pretty irrelevant at Sara or Arma. It also gives higher crush, +1 or 2 more magic def and +1 prayer. That's why i considered it. But i have used it at Arma, and i have gotten hit badly. So i don't think spirit shield beats Obby. You'll get hit worse, but only by a little. You're praying range the whole time. [Summoning guide (AOW)] [Slayer guide] [Melee & Brawl player]
November 5, 200817 yr Author A spirit shield would be better at arma for the mage defense. An obsidian shield would be better at Sara for the range and melee(I think that starlight and zil use stab attacks). 8 Range bonus is pretty irrelevant at Sara or Arma. It also gives higher crush, +1 or 2 more magic def and +1 prayer. That's why i considered it. But i have used it at Arma, and i have gotten hit badly. So i don't think spirit shield beats Obby. You'll get hit worse, but only by a little. You're praying range the whole time. Then there is meleer. But i used it at armadyl and i got hit badly. I had Arma skirt, Zamorak d hide, verac helm, d boots, ava accumaltor, barrow gloves. Don't get why i got hit that badly, i also have 90 magic. But obby is best at sara then.
November 5, 200817 yr A spirit shield would be better at arma for the mage defense. An obsidian shield would be better at Sara for the range and melee(I think that starlight and zil use stab attacks). 8 Range bonus is pretty irrelevant at Sara or Arma. It also gives higher crush, +1 or 2 more magic def and +1 prayer. That's why i considered it. But i have used it at Arma, and i have gotten hit badly. So i don't think spirit shield beats Obby. The ONLY difference at arma would be either 1 to slash for obsidian, or 1 to magic for spirit. The combined damage from Kree and Wingman is a LOT more than what you take from Kilisa(think he's slash), so magic defense is mroe important. Either way, 1 point would not make a noticable difference, so the difference that you noticed was purely incidental, and if you did any extensive testing a spirit shield would come out being better in such a small way that it does not matter at all. Like I said before, range bonus is virtually irrelevant. The differences at Sara, however, are much more noticeable. The VAST majority of damage at Sara comes from Bree(you shouldn't be getting hit by Zil so much, and starfire wanders), so the 20 points to range defense has an effect. The 1 point difference in stab defens eis negligible, but it also supports obsidian. Barrows: 9~2 V Brass,V Flail,2 Dh Plate,V Helm,V Skirt,T Legs,Malevolent Shield + DKing: 48~6 W Ring,13 A Ring,8 M Staff,9 S Ring,7 B Ring,3 SeercullDragon Drops: 500+~50+ Med,26 Axe,3 Chain,10+ Legs,10+ Spear,2 D2h,10+ L Half,49 Boots,2 DDs,10+ Lump,9 Claws,50+ Dagger,14 Visage,50+ Mace,4 Scimitar,7 Hasta,Baxe,50+ Long,30+ Royal,2 Kite,4 Ward,2 Plate,Staff,Hammer,Limbs, Mattock,HalberdGWD: 156~4 S Staff,50+ Shard,9 B Tass,13 B Plate,5 B Boots,6 A Plate,11 S Sword,8 A Hilt,4 A Skirt,9 A Helm,S Hilt,3 B Hilt,B Glove,2 A Buckler,Z Ward,Z Garb,2 Z Boots,B Shield,B Helm Corp: 3~Elysian,2 Sp Sh + Nex: 6~Torva Legs,Cere,P cowl,Z bow,2 T boots + GWD2: 9~2 Glaive,Wand,2 Crest,Blade,2 Essence,Core + Araxyte: 5~Web,3 Pheromone,Fang + Raids: 4~3 Codex,P Boots + Trails: 2~Bob Shirt,Fortunate Etc: 64~3 Sceptre,B Mask,16 Whip,2 Focus Sight,5 D Bow,7 SOL,Ragefire,2 Steadfast,Arma Staff,6 Rider Armor,5 Vine,2 Razorback,2 A Wand,Abby Orb,3 Blood Shard,6 Hydrix,Gland,Asc Xbow [spoiler=Capes]Quest Cape Aquired 12-7-07 ~ Level 93 + + + Completionist Cape Aquired 5-22-15 ~ Level 138Hitpoints Cape Aquired 9-21-09 ~ Level 131 + Magic Cape Aquired 9-24-09 + Attack Cape Aquired 3-5-10 ~ Level 135 + Summoning Cape Aquired 3-12-10Strength Cape Aquired 6-1-11 ~ Level 137 + Fire Cape Aquired 6-23-11 + Defence Cape Aquired 7-5-11 + Ranged Cape Aquired 8-1-11 + Kiln Cape Aquired 2-26-12 ~ Level 138Dungeoneering Cape Aquired 4-22-12 + Slayer Cape Aquired 6-25-14 ~ Level 200 + Herblore Cape Acquired 12-9-14 ~ Level 138 + Prayer Cape Acquired 12-20-14Agility Cape Acquired 1-4-15 + Hunter Cape Acquired 1-30-15 + Construction Cape Acquired 1-31-15 + Crafting Cape Acquired 2-22-15 + Thieving Cape Acquired 3-18-15Runecrafting Cape Acquired 4-14-15 + Mining Cape Acquired 4-19-15 + Fishing Cape Acquired 4-25-15 + Firemaking Cape Acquired 4-26-15 + Woodcutting Cape Acquired 4-26-15Cooking Cape Acquired 4-26-15+ Smithing Cape Acquired 4-28-15 + Farming Cape Acquired 4-29-15 + Divination Cape Acquired 5-3-15 + Dungeoneering Mastery 5-4-15Fletching Cape Acquired 5-4-15 + Max Cape Acquired 5-4-15 + Invention Cape Acquired 11-9-16 + Invention Mastery 5-16-19 + Archaeology Cape Acquired 10-30-20
November 5, 200817 yr Author So wioneo your saying that at Armadyl spirit shield is best and at Saradomin obsidian is? Did i get that correct?
November 5, 200817 yr So wioneo your saying that at Armadyl spirit shield is best and at Saradomin obsidian is? Did i get that correct? Yeah. [Summoning guide (AOW)] [Slayer guide] [Melee & Brawl player]
November 5, 200817 yr May I ask what familiar you plan on using at SGWD? From what you've said, it sounds like you're soloing and running around in a box... Wouldn't you have to use a Terrorbird for the energy replenishment?
November 5, 200817 yr Author OK thanks. Guess then i have to take a new screenshot for Saradomin Guide with obsidian shield lol. :ohnoes: :o
November 5, 200817 yr May I ask what familiar you plan on using at SGWD? From what you've said, it sounds like you're soloing and running around in a box... Wouldn't you have to use a Terrorbird for the energy replenishment? Bit random... People use purple sweets with opther familiars. In a team, if you manage your energy right you won'y need more than 1 or two sweets every 10 minutes or so. I take a bird soloing, though. Barrows: 9~2 V Brass,V Flail,2 Dh Plate,V Helm,V Skirt,T Legs,Malevolent Shield + DKing: 48~6 W Ring,13 A Ring,8 M Staff,9 S Ring,7 B Ring,3 SeercullDragon Drops: 500+~50+ Med,26 Axe,3 Chain,10+ Legs,10+ Spear,2 D2h,10+ L Half,49 Boots,2 DDs,10+ Lump,9 Claws,50+ Dagger,14 Visage,50+ Mace,4 Scimitar,7 Hasta,Baxe,50+ Long,30+ Royal,2 Kite,4 Ward,2 Plate,Staff,Hammer,Limbs, Mattock,HalberdGWD: 156~4 S Staff,50+ Shard,9 B Tass,13 B Plate,5 B Boots,6 A Plate,11 S Sword,8 A Hilt,4 A Skirt,9 A Helm,S Hilt,3 B Hilt,B Glove,2 A Buckler,Z Ward,Z Garb,2 Z Boots,B Shield,B Helm Corp: 3~Elysian,2 Sp Sh + Nex: 6~Torva Legs,Cere,P cowl,Z bow,2 T boots + GWD2: 9~2 Glaive,Wand,2 Crest,Blade,2 Essence,Core + Araxyte: 5~Web,3 Pheromone,Fang + Raids: 4~3 Codex,P Boots + Trails: 2~Bob Shirt,Fortunate Etc: 64~3 Sceptre,B Mask,16 Whip,2 Focus Sight,5 D Bow,7 SOL,Ragefire,2 Steadfast,Arma Staff,6 Rider Armor,5 Vine,2 Razorback,2 A Wand,Abby Orb,3 Blood Shard,6 Hydrix,Gland,Asc Xbow [spoiler=Capes]Quest Cape Aquired 12-7-07 ~ Level 93 + + + Completionist Cape Aquired 5-22-15 ~ Level 138Hitpoints Cape Aquired 9-21-09 ~ Level 131 + Magic Cape Aquired 9-24-09 + Attack Cape Aquired 3-5-10 ~ Level 135 + Summoning Cape Aquired 3-12-10Strength Cape Aquired 6-1-11 ~ Level 137 + Fire Cape Aquired 6-23-11 + Defence Cape Aquired 7-5-11 + Ranged Cape Aquired 8-1-11 + Kiln Cape Aquired 2-26-12 ~ Level 138Dungeoneering Cape Aquired 4-22-12 + Slayer Cape Aquired 6-25-14 ~ Level 200 + Herblore Cape Acquired 12-9-14 ~ Level 138 + Prayer Cape Acquired 12-20-14Agility Cape Acquired 1-4-15 + Hunter Cape Acquired 1-30-15 + Construction Cape Acquired 1-31-15 + Crafting Cape Acquired 2-22-15 + Thieving Cape Acquired 3-18-15Runecrafting Cape Acquired 4-14-15 + Mining Cape Acquired 4-19-15 + Fishing Cape Acquired 4-25-15 + Firemaking Cape Acquired 4-26-15 + Woodcutting Cape Acquired 4-26-15Cooking Cape Acquired 4-26-15+ Smithing Cape Acquired 4-28-15 + Farming Cape Acquired 4-29-15 + Divination Cape Acquired 5-3-15 + Dungeoneering Mastery 5-4-15Fletching Cape Acquired 5-4-15 + Max Cape Acquired 5-4-15 + Invention Cape Acquired 11-9-16 + Invention Mastery 5-16-19 + Archaeology Cape Acquired 10-30-20
November 5, 200817 yr Author The best familiar expect Unicorn and a Steel titan, is a Spirit terrorbird: - It's cheap, and you got always loads of them - It's useful by far: energy. I once checked how much 200 purple sweets(10% run energy per) and 200 spirit terrorbird scrolls (35% run energy) cost, and Spirit cost around 4K+ and purple sweets over 400K. So there is very big difference. And no i do not solo, i am with my team. I needed to be sure on which shield, as i want my team to use the best possible items in their equipment setup so that they won't make the team be less effective.
November 5, 200817 yr If you can use ponies then you require NO other food, at all, in teams of at least 3 people. I'm not sure, but I'm betting that a full bird and inventory of brews/restores(3:1 ratio) and tireless run scrolls(even though you probably won't be buying them), cost more than unicorn scrolls(I personally have thousands because I hoarded greens) and the few sweets that you will need. Like I said before, you shouldn't have to use that energy boost so often. Barrows: 9~2 V Brass,V Flail,2 Dh Plate,V Helm,V Skirt,T Legs,Malevolent Shield + DKing: 48~6 W Ring,13 A Ring,8 M Staff,9 S Ring,7 B Ring,3 SeercullDragon Drops: 500+~50+ Med,26 Axe,3 Chain,10+ Legs,10+ Spear,2 D2h,10+ L Half,49 Boots,2 DDs,10+ Lump,9 Claws,50+ Dagger,14 Visage,50+ Mace,4 Scimitar,7 Hasta,Baxe,50+ Long,30+ Royal,2 Kite,4 Ward,2 Plate,Staff,Hammer,Limbs, Mattock,HalberdGWD: 156~4 S Staff,50+ Shard,9 B Tass,13 B Plate,5 B Boots,6 A Plate,11 S Sword,8 A Hilt,4 A Skirt,9 A Helm,S Hilt,3 B Hilt,B Glove,2 A Buckler,Z Ward,Z Garb,2 Z Boots,B Shield,B Helm Corp: 3~Elysian,2 Sp Sh + Nex: 6~Torva Legs,Cere,P cowl,Z bow,2 T boots + GWD2: 9~2 Glaive,Wand,2 Crest,Blade,2 Essence,Core + Araxyte: 5~Web,3 Pheromone,Fang + Raids: 4~3 Codex,P Boots + Trails: 2~Bob Shirt,Fortunate Etc: 64~3 Sceptre,B Mask,16 Whip,2 Focus Sight,5 D Bow,7 SOL,Ragefire,2 Steadfast,Arma Staff,6 Rider Armor,5 Vine,2 Razorback,2 A Wand,Abby Orb,3 Blood Shard,6 Hydrix,Gland,Asc Xbow [spoiler=Capes]Quest Cape Aquired 12-7-07 ~ Level 93 + + + Completionist Cape Aquired 5-22-15 ~ Level 138Hitpoints Cape Aquired 9-21-09 ~ Level 131 + Magic Cape Aquired 9-24-09 + Attack Cape Aquired 3-5-10 ~ Level 135 + Summoning Cape Aquired 3-12-10Strength Cape Aquired 6-1-11 ~ Level 137 + Fire Cape Aquired 6-23-11 + Defence Cape Aquired 7-5-11 + Ranged Cape Aquired 8-1-11 + Kiln Cape Aquired 2-26-12 ~ Level 138Dungeoneering Cape Aquired 4-22-12 + Slayer Cape Aquired 6-25-14 ~ Level 200 + Herblore Cape Acquired 12-9-14 ~ Level 138 + Prayer Cape Acquired 12-20-14Agility Cape Acquired 1-4-15 + Hunter Cape Acquired 1-30-15 + Construction Cape Acquired 1-31-15 + Crafting Cape Acquired 2-22-15 + Thieving Cape Acquired 3-18-15Runecrafting Cape Acquired 4-14-15 + Mining Cape Acquired 4-19-15 + Fishing Cape Acquired 4-25-15 + Firemaking Cape Acquired 4-26-15 + Woodcutting Cape Acquired 4-26-15Cooking Cape Acquired 4-26-15+ Smithing Cape Acquired 4-28-15 + Farming Cape Acquired 4-29-15 + Divination Cape Acquired 5-3-15 + Dungeoneering Mastery 5-4-15Fletching Cape Acquired 5-4-15 + Max Cape Acquired 5-4-15 + Invention Cape Acquired 11-9-16 + Invention Mastery 5-16-19 + Archaeology Cape Acquired 10-30-20
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