Vaccinations--Should they be mandated?

[justin_m23]

I might be with range on this one. For example, my entire family has bad allergies against pollen. Well, we were all on allergy medicines and they never improved, we were just hit with worse and worse attacks. Well, one summer, I was fed up and dropped my medicine and let my body fight the allergy. It took months of runny noses and sniffing flowers, but by the end, I hardly reacted to pollen without a medicine at all.

 

 

 

There's one problem with that argument: vaccines do the exact same thing, i.e. they let your own immune system build up resistance to these diseases. They're not covering for your immune system or dealing with symptoms. Again, they stimulate the natural immune system response.

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's just what we assume. Sure, you become resistant to that disease, but in reality, you're cutting your immune system slack, making it less efficient than what it should be.

 

 

 

And yes, I assumed 99% of people wouldn't agree with me on my views of natural selection.

 

 

 

No, that's what we know because that's how we develop vaccines. A vaccine is an analog to or deactivated version of a toxin or other bacterial/viral molecule. It's set up to generate the exact same immune response seen in the real infection.

 

 

 

What you're saying makes no sense whatsoever - the whole strategy behind a vaccine is to strengthen your immune system, not to make it weaker or cut it slack.

 

 

 

I think a lot of people misinterpret the meaning of a vaccination. They believe its a foreign, artificial substance fighting for you. That may be why some people have issues with it.

 

 

 

And I mean sure, by vaccinating your "cutting your immune system slack". But when face to face with the a deadly disease, its either cutting your immune system slack or dying. I know which one I'd choose.

[MirageOfDeath]

I'm 100% for mandatory vaccinations. For those of you using the 'natural selection' argument, do you think your genes are so superior that you could have survived eradicated diseases (thanks to vaccinations) like small pox or anthrax?

[Bloodstain]

I might be with range on this one. For example, my entire family has bad allergies against pollen. Well, we were all on allergy medicines and they never improved, we were just hit with worse and worse attacks. Well, one summer, I was fed up and dropped my medicine and let my body fight the allergy. It took months of runny noses and sniffing flowers, but by the end, I hardly reacted to pollen without a medicine at all.

 

 

 

There's one problem with that argument: vaccines do the exact same thing, i.e. they let your own immune system build up resistance to these diseases. They're not covering for your immune system or dealing with symptoms. Again, they stimulate the natural immune system response.

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's just what we assume. Sure, you become resistant to that disease, but in reality, you're cutting your immune system slack, making it less efficient than what it should be.

 

 

 

And yes, I assumed 99% of people wouldn't agree with me on my views of natural selection.

 

 

 

 

 

So basically your side of the discussion is purely anecdotal and doesn't have any empirical evidence while the other side does. Just get your damn vaccinations and quit trying to be all edgey and rebellious.

[Piscis_Rex]

I might be with range on this one. For example, my entire family has bad allergies against pollen. Well, we were all on allergy medicines and they never improved, we were just hit with worse and worse attacks. Well, one summer, I was fed up and dropped my medicine and let my body fight the allergy. It took months of runny noses and sniffing flowers, but by the end, I hardly reacted to pollen without a medicine at all.

 

 

 

There's one problem with that argument: vaccines do the exact same thing, i.e. they let your own immune system build up resistance to these diseases. They're not covering for your immune system or dealing with symptoms. Again, they stimulate the natural immune system response.

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's just what we assume. Sure, you become resistant to that disease, but in reality, you're cutting your immune system slack, making it less efficient than what it should be.

 

 

 

And yes, I assumed 99% of people wouldn't agree with me on my views of natural selection.

 

If anything it's making your immune system stronger, getting a vaccination is like putting soldiers on some sort of training simulation before sending them into real combat

[Mr_Adam]

My doctor asked me if I wanted vaccinations for the flu (bring on the flu season!!). I don't really get sick during the winter, so I told him I didn't want to contribute to the evolution.

 

 

 

Then he asked if I wanted a vaccination that would protect my brain from exploding (or something along those lines), but I couldn't be bothered.

[Laura]

I might be with range on this one. For example, my entire family has bad allergies against pollen. Well, we were all on allergy medicines and they never improved, we were just hit with worse and worse attacks. Well, one summer, I was fed up and dropped my medicine and let my body fight the allergy. It took months of runny noses and sniffing flowers, but by the end, I hardly reacted to pollen without a medicine at all.

 

 

 

There's one problem with that argument: vaccines do the exact same thing, i.e. they let your own immune system build up resistance to these diseases. They're not covering for your immune system or dealing with symptoms. Again, they stimulate the natural immune system response.

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's just what we assume. Sure, you become resistant to that disease, but in reality, you're cutting your immune system slack, making it less efficient than what it should be.

 

 

 

And yes, I assumed 99% of people wouldn't agree with me on my views of natural selection.

 

If anything it's making your immune system stronger, getting a vaccination is like putting soldiers on some sort of training simulation before sending them into real combat

 

Are you kidding me? Slack? It gives it a taste of a weak form of the virus. Without it, antibodies would take longer, or would not know how to combat the virus or antigen.

[assassin_696]

Vaccines for contaigous should absolutely be mandatory. And in fact I'd pretty much say that vaccines for non-contaigous things should be mandatory as well. Especially in countries like the UK where we all pay for the NHS I don't want someone having to have very expensive treatment that could have been solved with a cheap vaccine in the first place.

[Faux]

It's kinda mandated here. Before you enter elementary, you have to show your medical records to prove that you're vaccinated so you don't infect other students. And they offer vaccinations throughout the school years also. My sister just got her HPV shot this year at her school IIRC.

[warri0r45]

I think a lot of people misinterpret the meaning of a vaccination. They believe its a foreign, artificial substance fighting for you. That may be why some people have issues with it.

 

 

 

And I mean sure, by vaccinating your "cutting your immune system slack". But when face to face with the a deadly disease, its either cutting your immune system slack or dying. I know which one I'd choose.

 

 

 

I'm not saying that it cuts your immune system slack (that was kenshinjapan) because that's not really true. Stickythetwigman had a good analogy - a vaccine is like training your army before going into battle for real. Cutting it slack would be letting the soldiers go out and party and eat all the junk food they want.

 

 

 

Training your immune system to recognise a foreign agent only strengthens it.

[anonymous1234]

I think a lot of people misinterpret the meaning of a vaccination. They believe its a foreign, artificial substance fighting for you. That may be why some people have issues with it.

 

 

 

And I mean sure, by vaccinating your "cutting your immune system slack". But when face to face with the a deadly disease, its either cutting your immune system slack or dying. I know which one I'd choose.

 

 

 

I'm not saying that it cuts your immune system slack (that was kenshinjapan) because that's not really true. Stickythetwigman had a good analogy - a vaccine is like training your army before going into battle for real. Cutting it slack would be letting the soldiers go out and party and eat all the junk food they want.

 

 

 

Training your immune system to recognise a foreign agent only strengthens it.

 

exactly. People seem to think vaccination are like antibiotics, which fight the infection for you, and makes your body think its immune system doesn't have to do anything.