Catch-22,Deffered Appeals.

[compfreak847]

What I'm ranting about is the system of of jagex's deferral of undeserved black-marks, not whether or not I should be frustrated, I am, and I find the system flawed hence the rant.

 

But it doesn't affect you in any way; it is neither inconvenient nor time wasting.

 

Un-appealable mutes are convenient then? Because they neither raise or lower my status until I accumulate enough blackmarks I also will never be able to appeal mutes.

 

I was hoping that I'd stated the obvious enough times, but I can do it again. Yes, you suffered the inconvenience of a 24 hour mute, a slight annoyance but nothing life changing.

 

I'm getting very annoyed of you missing the point. The point is that it's unfair to let those who have higher bms able to appeal the threats that we face, we have to face inconvenience for doing less wrong,this is the point.

 

What I understand is this: Due to a flaw\oversight in Jagex's system, you experienced a 24 hour mute.

 

 

 

Point out the 'point' that I'm missing in that sentence.

 

 

 

Yes, it's inconvenient, yes it should be fixed, yes it was probably worth a rant. Simple enough?

[Maulmachine]

What I'm ranting about is the system of of jagex's deferral of undeserved black-marks, not whether or not I should be frustrated, I am, and I find the system flawed hence the rant.

 

But it doesn't affect you in any way; it is neither inconvenient nor time wasting.

 

Un-appealable mutes are convenient then? Because they neither raise or lower my status until I accumulate enough blackmarks I also will never be able to appeal mutes.

 

I was hoping that I'd stated the obvious enough times, but I can do it again. Yes, you suffered the inconvenience of a 24 hour mute, a slight annoyance but nothing life changing.

 

I'm getting very annoyed of you missing the point. The point is that it's unfair to let those who have higher bms able to appeal the threats that we face, we have to face inconvenience for doing less wrong,this is the point.

 

What I understand is this: Due to a flaw\oversight in Jagex's system, you experienced a 24 hour mute.

 

 

 

Point out the 'point' that I'm missing in that sentence.

 

 

 

Yes, it's inconvenient, yes it should be fixed, yes it was probably worth a rant. Simple enough?

 

Due to this slight oversight I will also keep attaining blackmarks(I always will, silly wbms in various clan chats) until I have sufficient black marks to start appealing them.

[Juhnie]

Yeah, I also have two unfair offences placed on my account, and they're "Deferred" for me too.

 

 

 

I know that these short mutes aren't anything lifechanging, but I think we should be able to clean our offence records, careless of are we facing permanent ban/mute or just 24-hour mute.

[Canineteeth]

There is no need to appeal offences when your account is in the green zone, as this will not have a noticeable impact on your game play experience. If you do happen to commit enough offences to leave the green zone (and be punished more harshly), then you will have the opportunity to appeal all of the previously unappealable offences that had been applied to your account.

 

 

 

We all want our Jagex Moderators to be able to spend more time in-game and on the forums supporting all of our players than investigating offence appeals for accounts safely in the green zone that are not at risk of significant punishment.

 

 

 

http://www.runescape.com/kbase/viewarti ... cle_id=728

 

 

 

Makes perfect sense.

 

No one but you can see black marks, and the only time it matters is when your close to being banned, in which you will be able to do it, like the system says.

 

 

 

Appeals are checked usually by bots, not jmods. It doesn't make much sense to me that I need to be closed to banned before I am given a chance to redeem myself. And jagex moderators can also see how many black marks I have,just so you know :mrgreen:. Anywho, The system would suggest that innocent players have to endure the knowledge that they have been muted(or reprimanded) unfairly and that there is nothing they can do about it,seems unfair to me.

 

Then either Jagex has some sort of Turing-beating superbots hidden in their towers, or they have a mod check over reports and simply automate the responses. In my experience they have always been accurate and true; I get stuck with things I really did, no matter how eloquent the appeal (yeah, I've tried), but they also clear up incorrect reports quickly.

 

Really? It's always the opposite for me, I have been able to appeal 1 offence and it was denied, turned out "death to juice" is offensive language. :lol:

That's because the Brits really, REALLY, love their juice.

 

 

 

Please say you noticed juice 'joo-uss' can be a form of (unneeded) censor evasion for jews 'joos'.

[Tim]

I'd say just be glad it wasnt a perm' mute. :|

 

 

 

Though seems awefully odd to have this action taken towards you, and others. usually you should have the right to appeal to your crimes as does in court (though even though you killed someone you can still appeal not-guilty....doesnt mean the jury with think otherwise ;) )

 

by my understanding anyway.

 

 

 

as for Canine, i'd proberly guess Jagex just jumped the gun a bit. 8-)

[Maulmachine]

There is no need to appeal offences when your account is in the green zone, as this will not have a noticeable impact on your game play experience. If you do happen to commit enough offences to leave the green zone (and be punished more harshly), then you will have the opportunity to appeal all of the previously unappealable offences that had been applied to your account.

 

 

 

We all want our Jagex Moderators to be able to spend more time in-game and on the forums supporting all of our players than investigating offence appeals for accounts safely in the green zone that are not at risk of significant punishment.

 

 

 

http://www.runescape.com/kbase/viewarti ... cle_id=728

 

 

 

Makes perfect sense.

 

No one but you can see black marks, and the only time it matters is when your close to being banned, in which you will be able to do it, like the system says.

 

 

 

Appeals are checked usually by bots, not jmods. It doesn't make much sense to me that I need to be closed to banned before I am given a chance to redeem myself. And jagex moderators can also see how many black marks I have,just so you know :mrgreen:. Anywho, The system would suggest that innocent players have to endure the knowledge that they have been muted(or reprimanded) unfairly and that there is nothing they can do about it,seems unfair to me.

 

Then either Jagex has some sort of Turing-beating superbots hidden in their towers, or they have a mod check over reports and simply automate the responses. In my experience they have always been accurate and true; I get stuck with things I really did, no matter how eloquent the appeal (yeah, I've tried), but they also clear up incorrect reports quickly.

 

Really? It's always the opposite for me, I have been able to appeal 1 offence and it was denied, turned out "death to juice" is offensive language. :lol:

That's because the Brits really, REALLY, love their juice.

 

 

 

Please say you noticed juice 'joo-uss' can be a form of (unneeded) censor evasion for jews 'joos'.

 

A.)My parents are Jewish,for one.I certainly did not mean that. :wall:

 

B.)Jew(s) is not censored.

 

 

 

Yeah, that's what I was think dark, I find it strange that Jagex wants our offenses to pile up before we have to appeal them, it could give us an unneeded sence of security that we could appeal these offenses,when they could be denied.

[Will H]

 

 

 

Please say you noticed juice 'joo-uss' can be a form of (unneeded) censor evasion for jews 'joos'.

 

A.)My parents are Jewish,for one.I certainly did not mean that. :wall:

 

B.)Jew(s) is not censored.

 

 

 

Yeah, that's what I was think dark, I find it strange that Jagex wants our offenses to pile up before we have to appeal them, it could give us an unneeded sence of security that we could appeal these offenses,when they could be denied.

 

A) I don't think Jagex cares about your ancestry or your true intentions. Rule 1 is about typing something that can be interpreted as offensive, not actually meaning it.

 

B) If you're right, it's just because Jew is not offensive in itself, it's the sentence put together which is offensive.

 

You kinda should have been more careful.

 

 

 

It's a bit of a weird system, and it would be much better if you could put them on some kind of low-priority appeal.

[sees_all1]

Yeah, that's what I was think dark, I find it strange that Jagex wants our offenses to pile up before we have to appeal them, it could give us an unneeded sence of security that we could appeal these offenses,when they could be denied.

 

They don't want your offenses to pile up - they'd rather you not make stupid mistakes. However, if everyone was able to appeal every single offense (this being the internet :P), they would need to MASSIVELY increase the number of staff to review every case, and most of it would just be spammy anyway.

 

Plus, if a blackmark keeps people from doing it again, well, its useful really. Sorry about your situation though, I wouldn't let it bother me.

[Sir_Kurity]

Nothing short of stupidity, i would rather appeal straight away than have to wait till i get more black marks to appeal it.

[Sinkhan]

Well I've currently got 0.1 blackmarks for typing a URL to a security website (It's a website link, rule 11) The reviewer was probably like "Oh, he didn't really do anything terribly wrong, but it's still an offense so I have to do something". It's currently deferred, but honestly, I'm not going to complain about the smallest possible blackmark given to me.

 

 

 

Really I think it's just a minor slap on the wrist. Yes, the mute was probably an annoyance for you, but so are parking tickets and burnt toast :roll:

 

 

 

Why would you purposely get more blackmarks to get rid of the previous one? By that logic, you would still be left with the blackmarks you created to appeal the first offense. :lol:

[Video_Tycoon]

Yeah that is dumb. Just wanted to point out, no offense to anyone but Death to Juice could be taken as death to jews. >_>