Godsword Vs. Whip

[compfreak847]

A Godsword without the spec deals damage at a slower rate compared to a whip + rune defender. Calculate the weapon speed, strength bonus, accuracy and it will add up. The only 2 advantages (excluding looking nice with a sword that is basically the size of your upper body) that a Godsword has over the whip is the KO potential and the special attack. While training slayer, whip is better than godsword in almost every way. Godsword is better for pvp because of the ability to wipe out half a person's hp in 1 hit not allowing them to heal thus resulting in a faster kill.

 

Whip > Godsword for pvp.

 

Yeah...No.

 

It all depends. Whip + GS is better then GS.

 

Obviously it is. You are comparing 2 weapons to 1. :roll:

 

Doesn't matter.

 

 

 

I have more PVP experience then any person on TIF. Not bragging, it's just a fact. But I can tell you this:

 

 

 

Whip + Defender > GS at PVP

 

 

 

Thousand of bandos kills have also proven:

 

Whip + Defender > GS at Bosses

 

 

 

Hundreds of hours of combined testing have unquestionably settled this:

 

Whip + Defender > GS for Training

 

 

 

So, what's left? Specials. D claws > AGS all the time or BGS virtually all the time, Barrage > ZGS virtually everywhere, Excalibre nearly matches SGS for 1 ten millionth the cost.

 

 

 

I can't see a single use. Perhaps someone could point it out for me?

 

 

 

Also, this isn't an opinionated or thought-based post. It's simply the facts stated in a (somewhat) unbiased manner. So don't bother trying to argue with the statements or accusing me of being a sad nerd, argue with facts of your own :P

[yuriqiu]

So, what's left? Specials. D claws > AGS all the time or BGS virtually all the time, Barrage > ZGS virtually everywhere, Excalibre nearly matches SGS for 1 ten millionth the cost.

 

Ever since the D claw nerf, the spec has not been nearly as accurate. I have not been KO'd by D claws in almost a month now.

 

 

 

Barrage splashes way too much on a person in full mage protection gear, not to mention wearing ahrims to sara gwd is suicide.

 

 

 

Excal owns. What can I say? ;)

 

 

 

BGS may come in handy in some boss hunting situation where you lower a boss's def.

 

 

 

As for whip + rune def > GS in pvp, the truth is, not alot of people is willing to risk a rune def and d claws for the spec. Therefore, they tend to stick with the GS as it has a spec and is capable of being a normal weapon.

[Porpington9]

My max hit with a whip is 29.

 

My max hit with a godsword (no special) is 42 according to a calculator (never actually hit 42).

 

Now, a whip is twice as fast as a godsword. This answers the question of which is better for experience and damage dealt: i could potentially hit a 58 with my whip in the time it takes to hit a max of 42 with a godsword. Also, as has been said before, a whip is obviously much more affordable.

 

 

 

However, if you want to train strength, the godsword is easily superior. In addition, godswords are invaluable for bounty hunter (obviously not at the moment) and PvP. Another example of godswords being superior is with barrows, especially the SGS. With its special, the SGS cuts down greatly on costs, and affords multiple trips without banking. Last but not least, the godsword looks awesome, and let's face it: people buy things for looks, otherwise a dragon chain would be worth dirt and bandos chestplates would drop considerably as people favor fighter torsos.

 

 

 

All in all, it is hard to say which is better; they both have pros and cons. I personally use a godsword for strength training and a whip for all else.

[llamster]

Whip is not twice as fast, it is 1.5 times; and besides you can't just multiply max hit by speed and expect an accurate result. And SS>>GS for strength training, not to mention that it is less than half the price.

 

 

 

Fighter torso is a worthless piece of crap that is perhaps the worst platebody in the game; bronze chain would be preferable for most players.

[Porpington9]

Whip is not twice as fast, it is 1.5 times; and besides you can't just multiply max hit by speed and expect an accurate result. And SS>>GS for strength training, not to mention that it is less than half the price.

 

 

 

Fighter torso is a worthless piece of crap that is perhaps the worst platebody in the game; bronze chain would be preferable for most players.

 

 

 

You contradict yourself. If it is in fact true that a whip is only 1.5 times as fast, then the godsword would likely end up dealing more damage, and thus more xp. Given that the SS is the same speed as a whip, it would then logically follow that the GS is better for training strength. As to the comment about the multiplying max hits by speed, i was merely demonstrating that I could potentially hit more with a whip in the same time as a godsword, not an exact result, although multiplying damage by speed does produce a potential hit.

 

 

 

As to the comment about the fighter torso, that is simply not true. While i prefer bandos, the fighter torso is both free and decent armor, with the best strength bonus for a torso in the game. I would certainly rather have a fighter torso than a bronze chainbody, and I think pretty much any other rational person who is not trying to instigate a pointless argument would say the same. It should also be noted that you don't have any reasoning to back up the fighter torso< bronze chain comment.

[Sir_Kurity]

Most ko weapons suck on there own, because your opponent can see it coming and safes up.

 

 

 

Its always better when combined with damage dealing weapon, like whip.

[sadukar123]

Whip is not twice as fast, it is 1.5 times; and besides you can't just multiply max hit by speed and expect an accurate result. And SS>>GS for strength training, not to mention that it is less than half the price.

 

 

 

Fighter torso is a worthless piece of crap that is perhaps the worst platebody in the game; bronze chain would be preferable for most players.

 

 

 

You contradict yourself. If it is in fact true that a whip is only 1.5 times as fast, then the godsword would likely end up dealing more damage, and thus more xp. Given that the SS is the same speed as a whip, it would then logically follow that the GS is better for training strength. As to the comment about the multiplying max hits by speed, i was merely demonstrating that I could potentially hit more with a whip in the same time as a godsword, not an exact result, although multiplying damage by speed does produce a potential hit.

 

 

 

As to the comment about the fighter torso, that is simply not true. While i prefer bandos, the fighter torso is both free and decent armor, with the best strength bonus for a torso in the game. I would certainly rather have a fighter torso than a bronze chainbody, and I think pretty much any other rational person who is not trying to instigate a pointless argument would say the same. It should also be noted that you don't have any reasoning to back up the fighter torso< bronze chain comment.

 

Fighter torso is NOT free. You pay with the hours upon hours of time you waste playing Barbarian Assault instead of making money for Bandos chestplate.

[llamster]

Whip is not twice as fast, it is 1.5 times; and besides you can't just multiply max hit by speed and expect an accurate result. And SS>>GS for strength training, not to mention that it is less than half the price.

 

 

 

Fighter torso is a worthless piece of crap that is perhaps the worst platebody in the game; bronze chain would be preferable for most players.

 

 

 

You contradict yourself. If it is in fact true that a whip is only 1.5 times as fast, then the godsword would likely end up dealing more damage, and thus more xp. Given that the SS is the same speed as a whip, it would then logically follow that the GS is better for training strength. As to the comment about the multiplying max hits by speed, i was merely demonstrating that I could potentially hit more with a whip in the same time as a godsword, not an exact result, although multiplying damage by speed does produce a potential hit.

 

 

 

As to the comment about the fighter torso, that is simply not true. While i prefer bandos, the fighter torso is both free and decent armor, with the best strength bonus for a torso in the game. I would certainly rather have a fighter torso than a bronze chainbody, and I think pretty much any other rational person who is not trying to instigate a pointless argument would say the same. It should also be noted that you don't have any reasoning to back up the fighter torso< bronze chain comment.

 

 

 

Your calculations must be wrong. If you can hit 29 with a whip (assuming that you are using a rune defender), your max hit with a godsword is 36-37, according to the Tip.it max hit calculator.

 

 

 

The reasoning is obvious. Fighter torso takes a long time to get; the lowest estimate I have heard is 5 hours. That makes it the most time-consuming platebody in the game to acquire. In that time you could have obtained hundreds of thousands of combat xp, or several million cash.

[Porpington9]

I don't use a rune defender to hit 29s. Also, the calculator i used was on runehq, they may differ.

 

 

 

You seem to be moving away from the topic of godswords and whips and going into chestplates and torsos. I would rather spend 5 hours and get a torso than spend nearly 14m on a chestplate. It is also definitely not the most time consuming platebody to get. If you can go and get an armadyl chestplate, or a bandos chestplate, or a dragon chestplate without buying them in 5 hours I will be very impressed.

 

 

 

You have yet to contradict any of the points I made about the godsword v. whip argument. I have hit over a 37 with a godsword (Iforgot to mention, and you may have not taken into account, Bandos special). And even if your calculations are correct, they do not back up your argument because according to you, max hits are not a viable way to determine which is better for training or damage.

 

 

 

Your move :D and nicely done, this is the best argument I've had with anyone in a while

[sadukar123]

I don't use a rune defender to hit 29s. Also, the calculator i used was on runehq, they may differ.

 

 

 

You seem to be moving away from the topic of godswords and whips and going into chestplates and torsos. I would rather spend 5 hours and get a torso than spend nearly 14m on a chestplate. It is also definitely not the most time consuming platebody to get. If you can go and get an armadyl chestplate, or a bandos chestplate, or a dragon chestplate without buying them in 5 hours I will be very impressed.

 

 

 

You have yet to contradict any of the points I made about the godsword v. whip argument. I have hit over a 37 with a godsword (Iforgot to mention, and you may have not taken into account, Bandos special). And even if your calculations are correct, they do not back up your argument because according to you, max hits are not a viable way to determine which is better for training or damage.

 

 

 

Your move :D and nicely done, this is the best argument I've had with anyone in a while

 

The money paid for the Bandos chestplate is NOT gone, you can sell it back for equal or PROFIT. Fighter torso can NEVER be able to be traded back.

[Porpington9]

Good point, but if you had a chestplate and got a torso, you could sell the chestplate and have a piece of armor with close to the same stats, plus an extra 13.6m.

 

 

 

Also, with that argument, weapons and armor wouldn't ever cost anything (unless they DECREASE,which you forgot to mention), and the "godsword costs more" argument would lose its validity.

 

 

 

But let's move away from chestplate v. torso and go back to the point of this thread!

[sadukar123]

None of the weapons have a maintenance cost, only start up costs. They are different. Start up cost can be converted back into cash, while maintenance (such as Barrows repair, Magic's runes) cannot.

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, Bandos chestplate hasn't gone down in a while. Aka CRASHING, not the daily fluctuations. It's been steadily increasing. I bought both parts of my set when they were 11.5m and 9.5m respectively.

[fenrir321]

For the WoW inclined RS player:

 

Godsword- high burst damage

 

Whip- sustainable dps

 

 

 

Whip is good enough dps for pking, but burst damage > sustainable dps UNLESS you can kite targets, which is "possible*" only with ice blitz or barrage in runescape. Therefore, in runescape, burst damage > sustainable dps in pvp in ALL cases. Burst damage has a major flaw in that when averaging out in total damage over time, it will be lower than the best sustainable dps.

 

 

 

For example: (not real numbers)

 

The godsword max hit is 92 and the whip max hit on a player I believe is ~55

 

Now, the average damage per minute of the godsword is ~500 and the whip's is ~650. You would pick the godsword in pvp because you just need to hit a 92 twice to win the single duel. You would pick the whip in pve because it does more dpm and gets you more kills and therefore more loot. If you're fighting a bunch of zombified lvl 90s in the generic torags, veracs or dharoks (in order of frequency) compared to your lvl 138 character, it would actually be better in this pvp situation to use a whip since they just rush you like noobs on Halo 3 \ .

 

 

 

*Ice barrage is not technically a kiting spell because it holds and not adjusts movement speed. If it drained run energy, then it would be the only, true form of kiting in runescape (without the use of mud pies).

[llamster]

I don't use a rune defender to hit 29s. Also, the calculator i used was on runehq, they may differ.

 

 

 

You seem to be moving away from the topic of godswords and whips and going into chestplates and torsos. I would rather spend 5 hours and get a torso than spend nearly 14m on a chestplate. It is also definitely not the most time consuming platebody to get. If you can go and get an armadyl chestplate, or a bandos chestplate, or a dragon chestplate without buying them in 5 hours I will be very impressed.

 

 

 

You have yet to contradict any of the points I made about the godsword v. whip argument. I have hit over a 37 with a godsword (Iforgot to mention, and you may have not taken into account, Bandos special). And even if your calculations are correct, they do not back up your argument because according to you, max hits are not a viable way to determine which is better for training or damage.

 

 

 

Your move :D and nicely done, this is the best argument I've had with anyone in a while

 

 

 

Yeah, 14m. A few months ago they were 11m. If you bought one then you'd end up with 3m profit. Fighter torso takes five+ hours of effort that isn't refundable.

 

 

 

And if the best you've hit is 37 what makes you think your max hit with a godsword is 42? BGS spec is useless anyway, DDS is way better.

 

 

 

Good point, but if you had a chestplate and got a torso, you could sell the chestplate and have a piece of armor with close to the same stats, plus an extra 13.6m.

 

 

 

 

And you'd be short five hours of time. For most players that's at least 1.5-2m of cash. Or 400k+ melee xp. It'd take forever (over 100 hours) for the +4 strength to make up for those five hours. In that time you could've made enough for several bandos chestplates.

[Jadinko]

Whips are faster than Godsword's, but surely, when eating every 2 or 3 hits, the speed of how fast the weapon hits consecutively will no longer be a factor in efficency of killing bandos. so, in effect, the more accurate and higher hitting god sword will come out the prodominetly better weapon.

 

 

 

i rest my case.

[emachineten]

After being a lurker on these forums for 2 years, and a runescape player for nearly 8 years now i have normally kept my opinions either to myself, or within a rather small group of well informed friends.. however on this occasion i felt it worthwhile to register and add my thoughts to the discussion.

 

 

 

Regarding Whips Vs Godswords.

 

 

 

I have maxxed Melee Combat 99/99/99 with 70+ prayer (i flash piety for pretty much every monster/task i am concentrating on). - emachine10 in the highscores - chat is always on. i typically use a terrorbird on tasks as, when concentrating i tend to be running much more than fighting and need the energy + extra inventory spaces.

 

 

 

So far with a whip during my slayer tasks, my max hit is a 50 - whilst a strong average hit is anywhere from 20-44. id estimate around 10-15% of my hits range in the 44-50 category, and the vast majority of hits (say 50-70%) hit for anywhere between 20-44 (44 is my max without flashing piety) with super sets my combat stats are all at 118. and i usually pot when they drop below roughly 107. an entire task of perhaps 160 nech's can use as little as 5-10 prayer points if you are efficient with prayer flashing.

 

 

 

with a godsword my personal max has been a 72 hit with an AGS special attack, a mere 22 damage above my whips max hit.

 

i am aware it is possible to do more damage than this (i do not own full melee void) however the chance to hit 70+ on an 80+ sided dice (effectively how the runescape combat system operates) is rather low - enough so to negate this potential extra damage entirely.

 

 

 

at this high end/max tier of play the large speed bonus of the whip over the godsword is INCREDIBLY useful, much more so than a bit more accuracy or a bit more damage, with hits from a whip topping out at 1/3'rd of some top end monsters hp. The picture built in a suitably informed mind reveals that a godsword simply isnt that great. i have used a whip for Bando bashing, Jad bashing (dont reccomend it) pk'ing, slayer training, dragon slaying.. pretty much everything. i vouch for its so far unbeatable effectiveness in nearly all melee applications (other than the obvious few situations where CRUSH is needed)

 

 

 

my points may be presented in a bit of an untidy fashion, for this i am sorry its been a long day and its pretty late here :P