I am referring to the people that use the age old argument of 'You can't say anything about [insert Skill Here] because you don't have 99 in it'.

 

 

 

This only happens when you say something negative about a skill, and only when you say something bad about a skill that is generally looked down upon (e.g. Cooking, Fletching, Firemaking etc).

 

 

 

Then the aforementioned statement is brought in. I find it totally irrelevant to the matter. I have 99 range, mage, crafting, defence and agility (not bragging). Whenever I comment on a skill like cooking in a negative way, I get the 'statement' thrown at me. Now, Since I have these 99s which are harder, take more time and patience (and some take more money), I believe that we can assume that if I actually wanted to spend time training these skills, I could get them to 99. From my point of view, these skills are just a way to burn money. If I want to burn money, I'll go and buy some dragon imps and loot them, or crystal keys or better yet, I'll go and solo the Corporeal Beast.

 

 

 

Then when you show your 99s, the next inevitable statement is referring and almost completely the same as the original; 'Yeah, but you havent got 99 in it so you can't comment on it'. But why can't I comment on it? I have 99s which take more time, patience and money. I could easily get them if I actually wanted to (which I don't, since they are useless to me), but still people refuse to stop using the same damn line.

 

 

 

To put this into context:

 

 

 

I spent 32mil on 99 Crafting from 70. I made ruby bracelets, Air battlestaffs and Blue D'hide bodies. Cooking is around 6mil (doing lobsters, which is still relatively fast, and much faster than making ruby bracelets), fletching can make money (but the faster ways will set you back around 5-6mil from 85) and firemaking is 4.5mil with maples. Now. 6,000,000 + 6,000,000 + 4,500,000 (these arent actual figures, but are estimated costs from my current levels in the respective skills). Suffice to say, 16.5mil is less than 32mil. I spent more money on one skill, which is better for me. And yet, I am still not allowed to comment on a skill which I don't have a 99 in?

 

 

 

All I can say is, try getting 99 agility. Then you can say I don't have the patience for 99 fletching/Cooking/Firemaking etc.

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT: Just to clear this up, I am talking about in-game as well as on the forums (not just tip it, but other forums).

As someone who hates the arguments against 99 Cooking/Fletching...

 

This is a game, not an ego build. People don't play it to have their achievements bashed.

 

 

 

They're answering your insults to the 99. It's about as logical as you insulting the 99 in the first place.

I don't usually bash people for having the so-called 'easier skills', but when they say something about my skills, I am partial to retaliation. However, this thread is not about the bashing part, it's about the fact that this is the main statement that people use. As if it's going to stop people from bashing the skill anymore?

 

 

 

Also, when rating on the rate this board, I usually don't add my opinion, as to avoid these conflicts. If they are happy with their 99, that's good to hear. I just don't like it when you 'aren't allowed' to comment on it just because you don't have a 99 in it (this argument usually revolving around patience, determination, money etc).

So don't retaliate :|

 

Honestly, if you only approach the subject from a purely objective standpoint (which you claim to be doing), they will not have an opportunity to 'bash' you because you haven't directly said anything negative about the skill. If you say "cooking is 250k exp/hr, whereas defence is 70k exp/hr", they can't refute it. But if you say "defence is harder than cooking", they're unlikely to say "you are correct, I am indeed inferior to you".

I hate it when i say firemaking is a useless skill.

 

 

 

And people say, you don't even have 99 firemaking you can't talk!

 

 

 

YOU KNOW WHY I DIDNT GET 99, CAUSE IT SUXX!!!

Hobgoblinpie

 

 

 

You have shown you have the patience, resilience etc to get to lvl 99.

 

 

 

However, if I, for example, have degrees in Chemistry, Physics and Applied Mathematics, can I hold a debate on Economics with someone with a degree in Economics, when all I've done is Ec 101?

 

 

 

I have shown I have the intelligence etc to get a degree, but NOT in the subject I'm arguing about. Do I say "Heh economics is easy, anyone can get a degree in that, I choose not to"? Or do I listen to the person with more experience?

 

 

 

Happy to discuss

 

 

 

Teeg

Hobgoblinpie

 

 

 

You have shown you have the patience, resilience etc to get to lvl 99.

 

 

 

However, if I, for example, have degrees in Chemistry, Physics and Applied Mathematics, can I hold a debate on Economics with someone with a degree in Economics, when all I've done is Ec 101?

 

 

 

I have shown I have the intelligence etc to get a degree, but NOT in the subject I'm arguing about. Do I say "Heh economics is easy, anyone can get a degree in that, I choose not to"? Or do I listen to the person with more experience?

 

 

 

Happy to discuss

 

 

 

Teeg

 

 

 

I believe that you could hold a debate without having had a degree in it, just you would have limited understanding of the finer points.

 

 

 

On your second point, you would listen to the person with more experience. For example, If I saw a level 137 with an untrimmed cooking cape and a level 95 with an untrimmed cooking cape, it is natural to assume that the higher level is more experienced, so can give better advice, and knows what he is talking about, more than the level 95 (though it may not actually be true).

It could be that because you don't have 99 in a skill, you can't do everything in that skill.

 

For instance, at higher levels of cooking, the % of time you burn something is much less, making cooking experience more valuable. And If you didn't have that experience, you shouldn't be so quick to judge the "uselessness" of the skill.

 

 

 

However, understanding how many difficult 99's you've achieved, I'd say the person making that argument better have 99 in it, otherwise they're just blowing smoke.

It could be that because you don't have 99 in a skill, you can't do everything in that skill.

 

For instance, at higher levels of cooking, the % of time you burn something is much less, making cooking experience more valuable. And If you didn't have that experience, you shouldn't be so quick to judge the "uselessness" of the skill.

 

 

 

That's a very good point. However, some skills stop being useful at a certain level. For instance (I'm not bashing herblore, I know it's a very money intensive skill, I'm just using it as an example) Herblore stops being useful at around 81 (83 if you want the 20% attack from a zammy brew). So between 81-98, there is not much difference. You don't make potions any faster when you are level 99 than when you are level 1 (though I think it's actually level 4 from the quest). So the difference between 81 and 99 isn't great. But you can imagine someone with 99 herblore looking down at someone with 81 herblore. But you also have to account for the fact that the person with 81 could have the money for 99, but wish to use it for other skills. And thus, the only reason for someone with 99 herblore looking down at someone with 81 is because they wanted to spend more money for a cape.

Hobgoblinpie

 

 

 

You have shown you have the patience, resilience etc to get to lvl 99.

 

 

 

However, if I, for example, have degrees in Chemistry, Physics and Applied Mathematics, can I hold a debate on Economics with someone with a degree in Economics, when all I've done is Ec 101?

 

 

 

I have shown I have the intelligence etc to get a degree, but NOT in the subject I'm arguing about. Do I say "Heh economics is easy, anyone can get a degree in that, I choose not to"? Or do I listen to the person with more experience?

 

 

 

Happy to discuss

 

 

 

Teeg

 

 

 

Yes, you would listen to him because he simply knows more. But you can't compare that to RuneScape.

 

 

 

"Skill" in RuneScape doesn't exist. There are really only two things that make you a better player: knowledge and persistence. (Well, luck too of course. Luck plays a big role, but that's irrelevant in this discussion.) You could be Bill Gates and still only be level 30 if you didn't spend the time or look for the best methods. No matter how genius you are, your success in RuneScape really boils down to how you do it and for how long.

 

 

 

That being said, anyone who knows to cook monkfish/sharks/lobsters/etc. on a fire knows as much as someone with 200m cooking xp. Anyone who knows to fletch yew longs or addy bolts can talk on equal terms with someone with a fletching cape. If you know to burn maples in the correct way, you might as well be a 99 firemaker. What separates these people? Simply the amount of time each person spent.

 

 

 

Therefore, as long as you are knowledgeable about the skill are can debate all you'd like with anyone else who is knowledgeable. The only line between you two would be the time each person spent training that skill. If you bash that skill, then that's your own problem, but if you respectfully argue about it, it doesn't matter if you have the 99 or not.

Since I have these 99s which are harder

Please don't ever say that again. RuneScape is a game of how much free-time you have, not skill.

 

 

 

What ticks me off though is people who will say negative things about a skill. You can say that it's not your thing, it's a bit boring for you, et cetera. Just please don't walk up to someone in a Cooking cape and tell them how cheap/fast/stupid Cooking is. I prefer to reduce, rather than increase, WorldSuck.

Since I have these 99s which are harder

Please don't ever say that again. RuneScape is a game of how much free-time you have, not skill.

 

 

 

What ticks me off though is people who will say negative things about a skill. You can say that it's not your thing, it's a bit boring for you, et cetera. Just please don't walk up to someone in a Cooking cape and tell them how cheap/fast/stupid Cooking is. I prefer to reduce, rather than increase, WorldSuck.

 

 

 

I don't go up to people with cooking capes/fletching capes/etc and say that, I just say nice cape and walk away, or I don't say anything at all.

I don't go up to people with cooking capes/fletching capes/etc and say that, I just say nice cape and walk away, or I don't say anything at all.

Your original post made it sound like you have done such on multiple occasions, but it seems I misinterpreted it. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

I agree. But i mean it does come into question when your giving advice to 99. I mean I rather have someone who has gotten 99 to be telling me how to get it in a guide.

 

 

 

The other day i was looking at a 99 attack guide. Then i noticed the guy who made it has 64 attack so i decided to not watch the video anymore.

 

 

 

I mean when it comes down to it, people want the advice-giver to have experience but just because they don't have experience doesn't mean there not qualified to give advice on the subject. Everyones opinion matter ( unless there really stupid ;) )