Seers' Journal: 2nd Edition - New and Improved!

[SirTommy2005]

Loved the top 5 RS stories by Poet.

[Earthpoet]

Lol, your guy writing the X-Factor forgot to mention that John Henry won the competition in the end, or at least that is how I learned it. Very nice edition. I wasn't sure about this new team at first, but they've pulled through.

 

Niperwiper actually answered this better than I could. You are right. I guess I arbitrarily left that part out. John Henry did beat the machine, but at what cost? He lost his life. Furthermore, he ultimately failed to do what he was hoping by entering the duel, and that was to prove that neither he nor his crew could be replaced by a machine. Thanks for pointing that out!

 

 

 

gonna have to go with the party hat dupe from RSC as a top 5...

 

I'm not sure if you were able to read our last edition, but the party hat dupe did make the top 10 at #8. If you are saying it should've been higher I might be able to see your point. Perhaps you could elaborate a bit more on this...

 

Wow every article was just great.

 

 

 

I couldn't wait to read the top 5 RS moments and I must say I wasn't let down. I'd have to agree with all of them.

 

 

 

I lol'd at the comic and totally agree with the X factor article.

 

 

 

Once again a great issue and I look forward to the next one, whatever format it may be.

 

Thank you! And thank you to all that have been posting! I know everyone on the staff works hard to put out our best quality paper, and hearing the feedback makes it all worth it. Hearing about what you enjoyed, and what you think could be improved helps us make better decisions. It really has been a treat to be a part of the Journal. And thank you Tip.It!

[niperwiper]

I hate issues with only one browser because there hard to fix (sometimes). I have one on a forum with a piece of javascript hiding a piece of glabal code when your off the main page. Firefox loads and displays the hidden code before it gets to the end of the hide code (it runs code as it reads it), where IE loads ALL the code then decides what to do which prevents a pice from getting loaded so it can be displayed for hal a second.

 

 

 

Libs, contact unorclan privately, and if he dosen't respond then contact me. And if you do contact me, I dont care if you pm me on these forums or the SJ forums, though all things considered it would be best if it were the SJ forums.

 

Yeah I've read it over several times and still it looks exactly the same as the rest of the code. IE just likes to shoot me in the face. Thankfully we won't have to worry about that much longer. =D>

[Itsjustagame]

 

gonna have to go with the party hat dupe from RSC as a top 5...

 

I'm not sure if you were able to read our last edition, but the party hat dupe did make the top 10 at #8. If you are saying it should've been higher I might be able to see your point. Perhaps you could elaborate a bit more on this...

 

 

 

I mean it should be top 5 overall, taking the place of the falador massacre. While in the massacre a few people gained/lost millions, in the party hate dupe, a lot more people gained/lost. You also have some of your information wrong. There WAS a semi-roll back, where some of the party hats that were thought to have been duped were removed from the game. Jagex stated they couldn't track down every one, but they had a pretty good idea. How do I know this? Simply put, I had items taken away from me. They rolled back the game enough to fix most of the problems, and I remember there being a rant because of it. People were ranting because they lost items/skill xp due to the rollback.

 

 

 

This manipulated the economy much more than the massacre, primarily due to the huge loses of some merchants who invested solely in pink party hats. People quit over this with banks of the hats hoping they'd rise back to the top again. And yes, while blue's became the most expensive because of the dupe, pinks went back up a little to overtake red again in the price spectrum.

[Earthpoet]

@Itsjustagame: I believe this paragraph is what you are referring to as incorrect:

 

[hide=Seers Journal, March 21, 2009 - Top 10 RS Moments]It is reported that Jagex banned SixFeetUnder, and several others involved, but did not remove all of the duped items in the game, nor performed a rollback. Some believe the incident still has an impact on the economy. The pink partyhat (now known as purple) was at the time the most expensive item in the game. After the incident was resolved, the duped items were left in the game and this partyhat, while still considered valuable, dropped to become the cheapest of the six partyhats.[/hide]

 

 

 

Before I continue, I would like to point out that I said not ALL of the duped items were removed. Also, the purple party hat has long been the cheapest of the six. Typically, all rares move at once, ex: if santas increase in price, mask holders figure theirs is worth more and raise their prices, and phat owners then figure theirs must be worth more and etc.

 

 

 

Now, you say you know because you were actually there. I can't argue with that, because I was in fact not there. All I can do is try to corroborate my facts the best I can. The following is some of the information I collected while researching the dupe:

 

 

 

If you sell now you just risk getting ripped off, because currently people are overreacting. Bear in mind that the number of party-hats in circulation now is still less than the number around 1 year ago.

 

 

 

Rest assured that anything we do will be as fair as possible. We're NOT going to ban people just for buying a hat at a low price. We're only really after the people who started this, and we think we've already caught most of them.

 

 

 

Due to a number of false rumours going around I'd like to state a couple of things:

 

 

 

1) We are NOT going to delete all p-hats ever, that would be a total overreaction.

 

2) We are NOT going to rollback all the save-games, that would also be overreacting.

 

 

 

http://news.runescape.com/newsitem.ws?id=139

 

4) Jagex could not trace which items are duped and which are normal. That's why only some items got deleted.

 

5) The situation in market is very unstable but seems like the rarest hat (pink

 

one, the most ugly hat) is now one of the most common.

 

6) Jagex did not roll back. I guess they don't really mind seeing rares becoming

 

less rare.

 

 

 

http://games.infoseka.lt/scamming_lt2.html

 

http://www.zybez.net/community/index.php?showtopic=967194

 

Jagex couldn't trace the partyhats/crackers, and so only a few accounts with billions of partyhats were banned. The only partyhats that were lost were the ones on the banned accounts, as no partyhats were deleted (this was confirmed in a Jagex News update the day of the event). As Jagex did not roll back the servers, the most expensive partyhat, the Purple partyhat, dropped to become the least expensive.

 

 

 

http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Party_hat_duplication_glitch

 

http://darkrunescape.wikia.com/wiki/Party_Hat_Duplication_Glitch

 

 

 

I also did my best to confirm my information with a few friends who were playing at the time. Again, you said you were there, and I know I wasn't, so I won't try to refute your account. However, I still stand by what I wrote and I feel confident about what I researched.

 

 

 

As for replacing the Falador Massacre in the top 5, I see your point. I feel the Falador Massacre took place at a more popular time in Runescape, and created a big buzz outside of the game. Effecting the economy isn't the only means of gauging impact. Also, the incident was just so bizarre. If the partyhat dupe had occurred in '06 instead of on RSC, I would've ranked it higher.

[Itsjustagame]

wow I can't refute that evidence. Good work. Really, I'm impressed :-#.

 

 

 

To be completely honest I was just speaking from memory. I remember them saying one thing, and doing another, and there were rants because of it. Hell it was years ago, most of that information has been erased from my memory and replaced with Molecular Cell Biology and Physiology. :twss:

 

 

 

I guess I see why an rsc event isn't remembered as much as the massacre, but at the time it was all over the internet. People were doing interviews and were trying to figure out how the dupe was done. Every single rs forum was flooded with news on it (I was part of 2 or 3 forums then). While jagex stated that no hats were removed besides the ones on the banned accounts, there were people with huge amounts of them who quit because of the huge price plummet. They went from stockpiling the most expensive item in the game waiting for them to rise to stockpiling an item they just lost millions upon millions from, which was ALOT of money at the time. Just think, people alching millions worth in 2006 was different than people losing millions in 2003.

 

 

 

Most of those people made their money merchanting r2hs from Zezima and other people at 98 smithing looking for 99, or people with 99 looking for massive xp (I made the vast majority of my rsc money during this time buying rune bars for 50k ea and selling r2hs for 300-350k ea and bought myself a few party hats to play around with). There were rumors that Chewy Shoe had a HUGE stack of pink party hats from his connections with the smithers, and was one of the first to bring this method of money making/merchanting to the table. I vaguely remember a blog about it, and possibly proof of his hats. If I remember correctly, he disappeared when the hats crashed. If that was all true, there was a amount of hats missing during that time. Although this doesn't make a huge difference now with people like chessy018 with 5 stacks of max cash or w/e running around, back then it was a big deal.

 

 

 

Just saying, you have to take the year into perspective. 18 million gp now might is pocket change to some people, but then it was a way to separate the wealthy from the "just getting by".

[Earthpoet]

You do make a great case for why the party hat dupe should be higher on the list. I suppose all I can do is chalk it up to the author's bias. I'll be sure to speak to him about that in the future. ;)

[r4ngewarlord]

a very nice read i didnt know about the faldor massacre, interesting read.

[unorclan]

Big thanks to Niperwiper for releasing the edition in my place! =D> It looks great.

 

 

 

I hope everyone is enjoying to edition and I'm glad to see we sparked some conversation. :

[niperwiper]

No problem mate. I went through several iterations of how to do the post, I think it looks and works fine though.

 

 

 

As to which should be higher, I can see both sides and can't really decide which one I'd have chosen myself. I may have gone with duping just because the effects of it can still be seen today in the prices of rares today. But I can see why Earth chose the massacre; a bigger audience for a big screwup is quite a big deal :P

[Caromon]

Again it was great!

[Zaaps1]

Very nice! Though I'd consider GE and RWT one and the same.

[unorclan]

Very nice! Though I'd consider GE and RWT one and the same.

 

 

 

I can see your point zaaps1, but I think the GE deserves its own place because it was implemented earlier than the most forceful RWT resistance updates (removal of wilderness, trade limit, ect).

[Zaaps1]

Very nice! Though I'd consider GE and RWT one and the same.

 

 

 

I can see your point zaaps1, but I think the GE deserves its own place because it was implemented earlier than the most forceful RWT resistance updates (removal of wilderness, trade limit, ect).

 

 

 

True, but the purpose of the GE was part of the RWT plan. If they didn't real with RWT, there would be not GE.

[unorclan]

 

True, but the purpose of the GE was part of the RWT plan. If they didn't real with RWT, there would be not GE.

 

 

 

Like I said, I see your point and I can agree with it, but I do think that the GE had a previous and therefore separate impact upon the RuneScape community and it is more of relation to the RWT updates and not necessarily a main part of them. I also argue that Jagex would have eventually given us something like the Grand Exchange, whether they had started to seriously combat RWT or not (though I do think that the GE they would of given us wouldn't have such tight restrictions as the one we have now).

[Earthpoet]

True, but the purpose of the GE was part of the RWT plan. If they didn't real with RWT, there would be not GE.

 

 

 

This is something I had considered before writing the article. I did even mention it under RWT. I don't believe the GE itself was part of the RWT updates. It was the trade caps placed on the GE that was a result of RWT updates in an attempt to remove unbalanced trades from the game.

 

 

 

The GE could stand alone, and have just as much of an impact on the economy even w/o RWT updates. The proof of this is the recession it created prior to December 10. Other MMORPGs have a similar system to the GE. Like unorclan mentioned, I believe the GE would have been an inevitable update, because trading in pre-GE days was such a pain in the [wagon].

 

 

 

That's why I believe it deserved a separate recognition.

[Zaaps1]

 

True, but the purpose of the GE was part of the RWT plan. If they didn't real with RWT, there would be not GE.

 

 

 

Like I said, I see your point and I can agree with it, but I do think that the GE had a previous and therefore separate impact upon the RuneScape community and it is more of relation to the RWT updates and not necessarily a main part of them. I also argue that Jagex would have eventually given us something like the Grand Exchange, whether they had started to seriously combat RWT or not (though I do think that the GE they would of given us wouldn't have such tight restrictions as the one we have now).

 

 

 

Sounds reasonable.

[unorclan]

The Seers' Journal is proud to announce that we now have a partnership with the RuneScape fansite KSA and we'll be publishing each and every edition there as well as here on Tif.

 

 

 

http://www.ksafusion.net/

 

 

 

:

[firsttsurugi]

Shouldn't they have already been a partner since they were partners with the GT and this is basically the evolved form (pokemon reference ftw \ ) of the GT?

[unorclan]

Shouldn't they have already been a partner since they were partners with the GT and this is basically the evolved form (pokemon reference ftw \ ) of the GT?

 

 

 

They were partners of the GT but that sort of fell apart so we just reestablished old bonds. :D

 

Oh, and we also got a spot on their front page. ;)

 

 

 

Hope everyone enjoys the edition!

[firsttsurugi]

You didn't say anything about my pokemon reference! :evil:

 

 

 

Oh, did you ever make an announcement about that thing that we were talking about ingame?

[unorclan]

You didn't say anything about my pokemon reference! :evil:

 

 

 

Oh, did you ever make an announcement about that thing that we were talking about ingame?

 

 

 

Nope, but something will be popping up soon around the release of this next edition.

[unorclan]

The 3rd Edition will published on April 18th; hope everyone is looking forward to it!