Tormented Demons - The Excellently Uber Guide!

[The_Great_One]

Aye, I have an SGS right now and it pwns. Gimme time to update the guide lol. AGS is better for non-unicorners though, which I believe is what I said in the guide :P

 

 

 

MSB might be a bit hard to pray flash with, and it's got a lot less accuracy than a crossbow. I might try it, but I'm not too confident in it working.

 

 

 

Walka - I'm not wasting a ton of money on that expensive photoshop software (I think I remember it costs like $1000!) and graphics pens. Deal with it lol.

 

 

 

Also, I intend to reformat the equipment section a bit. And improve the information in it. I don't know when I'll get a chance to work on it.

 

 

 

I would also just like to note that pray flash with gs is very easy. Just rest your fingers on the f4 + f6 buttons, and pwn those nubz0rzes. Those buttonss seriously help a ton, I can't believe I didn't use them before lol.

 

 

 

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[totalpwnage]

Aye, I have an SGS right now and it pwns. Gimme time to update the guide lol. AGS is better for non-unicorners though, which I believe is what I said in the guide :P

 

 

 

MSB might be a bit hard to pray flash with, and it's got a lot less accuracy than a crossbow. I might try it, but I'm not too confident in it working.

 

 

 

Walka - I'm not wasting a ton of money on that expensive photoshop software (I think I remember it costs like $1000!) and graphics pens. Deal with it lol.

 

 

 

Also, I intend to reformat the equipment section a bit. And improve the information in it. I don't know when I'll get a chance to work on it.

 

 

 

I would also just like to note that pray flash with gs is very easy. Just rest your fingers on the f4 + f6 buttons, and pwn those nubz0rzes. Those buttonss seriously help a ton, I can't believe I didn't use them before lol.

 

 

 

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yeah, sgs is great and it has the most accurate spec in the game I'm pretty sure. I swear BGS fails, I was getting like 50-70 second kills with ags and like 2 minute kills with bgs -.- One claw drop will get me an sgs though :P

 

 

 

If a Karil's Crossbow doesn't work as well as crossbow, theres no way MSB works well with rune arrows. Unless MAYBE you have void... but I'm pretty sure diamonds are better than MSB+rune arrows.

 

 

 

Things like Paint.NET, Gimp, and GimpSHOP are free, but making a good banner takes a bit of time lol.

 

 

 

You didn't use f4 and f6 before? Jeez. They help a TON, lol.

 

 

 

Also, I started bringing addy defender here (couldn't get a rune defender drop in 30 minutes so I gave up) and it wins soooooo much for darklighting. Seriously, bring a rune defender--you almost ALWAYS get the demon's shield down on the first hit. What I do is for the first hits, I wear defender then don't reequip until I see the demon's shield regenerate. After all, when the shield is up, you're switching between 1 handed weapons, and the defender does nothing for you when the shield is down.

 

 

 

When I started using wealth, I noticed the charm drops went way better as well. After all, charm drops are what I've come to appreciate, seeing that I don't have the luck that a lot of other people have (probably on like 1800 demons with 1 claw and 1 armour piece). Watch me take off the wealth and get a claw drop -.-

 

I pot up every 2 kills instead of every 4 now, and it makes a HUGE difference. Kills are SOO much better now, and I'm only using like ... maybe 8k extra an hour or something.

 

 

 

Anyways, the charms. The charms are one of the best things about this spot, seriously. Albeit I only get like 20k-30k summon exp per hour in charms usually, I profit a ton in the end. I'm probably gonna be doing this a lot for my summoning levels probably, lol.

[bedman]

Allright, I went back with sgs this time and I must admit: it owned. I nearly killed those bastards within one shield :o. No problems surviving just on uni and sgs specials.

 

I guess last time I just didn't get the hang of it yet.

 

 

 

No claw drop so far though (one lump, yay... )

[The_Great_One]

Alright, I have finally updated the guide. I hope yas like it. Do point out any mistakes or mess-ups you may find.

[totalpwnage]

Nothing seems wrong to me. Gear is the exact same that I use except I use a warrior/wealth and I use ruby bolts with uni and only go for like ... 1 unicorn, potting every 2 kills. But then again I almost always solo in a full world.

 

 

 

But the gear definitely works well, great guide.

[ghjkl]

Forgot to mention that it helps to bring 2 range pots for every sup atk/str, the extra range levels do help considering range pots don't boost as high, and especially at lower range levels, those 2 inventory spaces could speed up kills quite a lot.

[The_Great_One]

Forgot to mention that it helps to bring 2 range pots for every sup atk/str, the extra range levels do help considering range pots don't boost as high, and especially at lower range levels, those 2 inventory spaces could speed up kills quite a lot.

 

 

 

I'm afraid the unicorn invo won't be able to fit that... And the BoB can't do it so easily either. It doesn't make a whole lot of difference, but I'll consider putting it in the guide, if others think that would be good too. But really, I don't think it's worth it.

[walka92]

you say that the whip does not work well, but it actually does. after 99 herb i was too poor for any godswords so i used a whip+rune defender and it kicked [wagon], and several times ive killed it after only having to use darklight once. (shield never regenerated)

[The_Great_One]

you say that the whip does not work well, but it actually does. after 99 herb i was too poor for any godswords so i used a whip+rune defender and it kicked [wagon], and several times ive killed it after only having to use darklight once. (shield never regenerated)

 

 

 

Now you just need to compare it to a godsword. But remember you are maxed out mostly and so you can hit the demons the majority of the time anyway. But the whip stinks for people around my level. And it's hard to pray flash.

 

 

 

P.S. borrow a godsword.

[walka92]

you say that the whip does not work well, but it actually does. after 99 herb i was too poor for any godswords so i used a whip+rune defender and it kicked [wagon], and several times ive killed it after only having to use darklight once. (shield never regenerated)

 

 

 

Now you just need to compare it to a godsword. But remember you are maxed out mostly and so you can hit the demons the majority of the time anyway. But the whip stinks for people around my level. And it's hard to pray flash.

 

 

 

P.S. borrow a godsword.

 

you incorrectly assume i have never used a godsword at tormented demons, despite the fact that i have clearly had enough money in the past to own all of them at once. indeed, i have used godsword at tormented demons and the whip actually worked better for me there. and no, i will not borrow a godsword

[totalpwnage]

you say that the whip does not work well, but it actually does. after 99 herb i was too poor for any godswords so i used a whip+rune defender and it kicked [wagon], and several times ive killed it after only having to use darklight once. (shield never regenerated)

 

 

 

Now you just need to compare it to a godsword. But remember you are maxed out mostly and so you can hit the demons the majority of the time anyway. But the whip stinks for people around my level. And it's hard to pray flash.

 

 

 

P.S. borrow a godsword.

 

you incorrectly assume i have never used a godsword at tormented demons, despite the fact that i have clearly had enough money in the past to own all of them at once. indeed, i have used godsword at tormented demons and the whip actually worked better for me there. and no, i will not borrow a godsword

 

The downside is the loss of 8 prayer bonus whenever you're meleeing, and with SGS you miss the extra pray restore (not really much for hp for me at least).

 

Though, I'll probably start using whip more as well because its annoying to borrow a gs all the time.

[walka92]

you say that the whip does not work well, but it actually does. after 99 herb i was too poor for any godswords so i used a whip+rune defender and it kicked [wagon], and several times ive killed it after only having to use darklight once. (shield never regenerated)

 

 

 

Now you just need to compare it to a godsword. But remember you are maxed out mostly and so you can hit the demons the majority of the time anyway. But the whip stinks for people around my level. And it's hard to pray flash.

 

 

 

P.S. borrow a godsword.

 

you incorrectly assume i have never used a godsword at tormented demons, despite the fact that i have clearly had enough money in the past to own all of them at once. indeed, i have used godsword at tormented demons and the whip actually worked better for me there. and no, i will not borrow a godsword

 

The downside is the loss of 8 prayer bonus whenever you're meleeing, and with SGS you miss the extra pray restore (not really much for hp for me at least).

 

Though, I'll probably start using whip more as well because its annoying to borrow a gs all the time.

 

if i wanted the prayer aswell, i could also use a zam pray book; +5 pray and +8 on attacks i guess

[The_Great_One]

I've tried whip now. For kill speed it is around about as good as a gs. But, it is very difficult. I don't want to do it again... Infact, I'm getting a little bored of soloing TD's altogether... but in big teams its fun. If anyones making a team I'll be happy to come, just PM me in game.

[The_Great_One]

I have now set out some info in the guide better, and in general have given it a nice touch-up. Also added a horrible situations section for when you mess up :P

[bedman]

This would actually be the greatest guide if you tweaked your lay-out a bit, and removed that home mad map by something better. Also, here and there the info is good, but not that clearly understandable (the luring part for instanc). These are 2 points where Artemis' guide beats yours.

 

 

 

Yours however dares to confirm godswords are better, provides some other safespots, and is much more complete so even beginners can start it. So don't feel bad because of my constructive criticism, i'm with you :-).

 

 

 

Oh, void is actually pretty ownage there IMO.

[The_Great_One]

This would actually be the greatest guide if you tweaked your lay-out a bit, and removed that home mad map by something better. Also, here and there the info is good, but not that clearly understandable (the luring part for instanc). These are 2 points where Artemis' guide beats yours.

 

 

 

Yours however dares to confirm godswords are better, provides some other safespots, and is much more complete so even beginners can start it. So don't feel bad because of my constructive criticism, i'm with you :-).

 

 

 

Oh, void is actually pretty ownage there IMO.

 

 

 

Well, I've paragraphed it a bit better... I don't like my huge blocks of text near the start of the guide... And I need to add a picture to the NW spot that clearly shows where to lure. I don't know how to go about with the map, do you have any clue on how you make maps like they do in the official maps? I'm guessing its really complicated. And I stank with void myself.

 

 

 

But thanks for your support and stuff. I love you Add me in-game pl0x :D

[AnneFrank]

Hopefully i try your guide out once i get all the quests and requirements done for wgs -.- -.-

[bedman]

you say that the whip does not work well, but it actually does. after 99 herb i was too poor for any godswords so i used a whip+rune defender and it kicked [wagon], and several times ive killed it after only having to use darklight once. (shield never regenerated)

 

 

 

Now you just need to compare it to a godsword. But remember you are maxed out mostly and so you can hit the demons the majority of the time anyway. But the whip stinks for people around my level. And it's hard to pray flash.

 

 

 

P.S. borrow a godsword.

 

A lot of times you use the arguement of your "low stats" to explain why a godsword is better. I really don't think those 3-6 lvls will make all that much of a difference. If you were 80-80-80, then we would be talking.

 

 

 

Just wanted to point that out :-)

[Wachtwoord]

you say that the whip does not work well, but it actually does. after 99 herb i was too poor for any godswords so i used a whip+rune defender and it kicked [wagon], and several times ive killed it after only having to use darklight once. (shield never regenerated)

 

 

 

Now you just need to compare it to a godsword. But remember you are maxed out mostly and so you can hit the demons the majority of the time anyway. But the whip stinks for people around my level. And it's hard to pray flash.

 

 

 

P.S. borrow a godsword.

 

A lot of times you use the arguement of your "low stats" to explain why a godsword is better. I really don't think those 3-6 lvls will make all that much of a difference. If you were 80-80-80, then we would be talking.

 

 

 

Just wanted to point that out :-)

 

You'd be surprised how small stats difference can make a huge difference on the killing speed. I pot up every 2 kills, but sometimes I forget and then 3rd kill goes lots slower. I need at least one more knockdown.

[The_Great_One]

you say that the whip does not work well, but it actually does. after 99 herb i was too poor for any godswords so i used a whip+rune defender and it kicked [wagon], and several times ive killed it after only having to use darklight once. (shield never regenerated)

 

 

 

Now you just need to compare it to a godsword. But remember you are maxed out mostly and so you can hit the demons the majority of the time anyway. But the whip stinks for people around my level. And it's hard to pray flash.

 

 

 

P.S. borrow a godsword.

 

A lot of times you use the arguement of your "low stats" to explain why a godsword is better. I really don't think those 3-6 lvls will make all that much of a difference. If you were 80-80-80, then we would be talking.

 

 

 

Just wanted to point that out :-)

 

 

 

Well, that's just how I saw it at the time I guess. But the main difference is the difficulty in pray flashing. It's so hard with a whip. While you can get the flashing right the majority of the time, it causes many stuff-ups of various descriptions, and it can numb your mind and make you perform even worse. That's just my experience, anyway. And the more I stuff up, the more numb my mind gets.

 

 

 

But sort of theoretically speaking they kill at roughly the same speed.

[The_Great_One]

Hmm, the new official tormented demon guide is missing a lot of information...

[Ned]

I'm happy to receive constructive criticism. Could you elaborate on what is missing?

[The_Great_One]

Okay, well I am a little short on time at time of posting (got school shortly), so I'll keep it short.

 

 

 

You didn't mention how they can even use their charge attack over obstacles, and by extension how doing so makes them become stationary.

 

 

 

I feel you should mention the NE spot for "advanced hunters" (or something like that). It requires very little luring and is for the most part safe from other demons.

 

 

 

And I think you should suggest piety/eagle flashing for those who become used to killing them, because they are rather slow to kill without those prayers.

 

 

 

Ok really gotta go :P

[Ned]

Ah, I expected you to say I missed a spot. Despite how certain spots have their advantages and disadvantages, we felt it was better to mention one spot rather than explain multiple spots. We determined the north spot to be the easiest and safest (luring doesn't take that long, really only 2-3 clicks).

 

 

 

I've added the fact that the charge attack reaches over obstacles, this was a good point, and I also added the tip about piety/eagle eye. You were credited :)

 

 

 

Nice guide :thumbup:

[The_Great_One]

Ah, I expected you to say I missed a spot. Despite how certain spots have their advantages and disadvantages, we felt it was better to mention one spot rather than explain multiple spots. We determined the north spot to be the easiest and safest (luring doesn't take that long, really only 2-3 clicks).

 

 

 

I've added the fact that the charge attack reaches over obstacles, this was a good point, and I also added the tip about piety/eagle eye. You were credited :)

 

 

 

Nice guide :thumbup:

 

 

 

Thanks, I understand the official guides prefer not to drag on, that's okay. North spot is definitely the safest, although you gotta step right out when the demon spawns (not a big deal I guess really).

 

 

 

Just one more thing - rings, a zerker or warrior would be better than an archers ring, but you haven't listed those. Archer ring doesn't relatively make much difference really.

 

 

 

Nice guide to you too :thumbsup:

 

 

 

You making a site guide for revenants next?