Magekillr, how often do you make posts that are your own thoughts?

 

I can't remember the last time I saw you make a post without 60% of it being a copy-pasted article.

 

 

 

Did you see my first post on this topic? Go read it again.

 

 

 

Second, that's what people do when they write articles. They provide sources to back up their claims, and analyze the sources. I've already done the analyzing in the first post, and now I'm providing source after source to back it up.

 

 

 

Here, I'll help you out. Here's a source that claims Jesus would have tortured:

 

 

 

Many alleged Christians fail to see typical Christian responses to evil in the world. In the haste to stop the killing of 6 million Jews in the Holocaust, thousands of Christians signed up to go and fight. But closely scrutinize who says Christians stood back and watched in silence.

 

 

 

Few mention Pope Pius XXIIs secret actions to transport as many Christians as possible out of Nazi Germany, or the hundreds of Catholics that worked tirelessly to save as many Jews and Christians from death camps, or even Saint Maximilian Kolbe who traded his life for a citizen incarcerated in a death camp.

 

 

 

Those kangaroo Christians seem to forget who came up with the Emancipation Proclamation (Lincoln{Christian}), or a Congress of mostly Christian Republicans who passed the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments to the Constitutionmainstays for all Blacks today. The writer remembers Catholic Archbishop Joseph Rummel excommunicating three segregationists (1962) for refusing to integrate church schools in Louisiana.

 

 

 

Starting in 1981, the perfect solution was devised for the oncoming crisis of HIV/AIDS, much of which was transpiring in the Black community. A Nobel laureate couldnt have come up with a better solutiontotal fidelity in marriage, and no sex with anyone but your marriage partner. Many ignore that advice.

 

 

 

Shockingly, many have molded enhanced interrogation techniques with torture. Theres a huge differenceas well as a major definition variancethey dont want to talk about.

 

 

 

Torture involves extreme physical pain or even death, such as the cutting off of appendages, gouging of eyes, use of shredders to the body, electrical shockyou name it. Blood is usually involved.

 

 

 

But water boarding, only done on 3 prisoners in the US, is probably the most enhanced of the techniques. Because of the conditions of the test, there was no pain, no blood, no deathonly fear. As a result, hundreds maybe thousands, were saved from certain death from terrorists during the Second Wavean assault intended for a high rise on the West Coast, but thwarted by the information gained from water boarding those three terrorists.

 

 

 

Interestingly, all three terrorists are walking around today with their digits intact, tongues attached, and none the worse physically or mentally.

 

 

 

Its likely even Jesus would have OKd water boarding if it would have saved his Mom. He wouldve done the same to save his Dad, or any one of His disciples. For that matter, He even died to save all humans.

 

 

 

Its obvious He would not be happy with those who voted for the candidate who kills because its above his pay grade to know if theyre alive. Checking the Commandments, killing innocents is against the 5th. Because pro-aborts dont know for sure life does not exist at conception, they are still willing to risk that its not killing.

 

 

 

http://www.redstate.com/roetenks/2009/0 ... -response/

Magekillr, how often do you make posts that are your own thoughts?

 

I can't remember the last time I saw you make a post without 60% of it being a copy-pasted article.

 

 

 

Did you see my first post on this topic? Go read it again.

 

 

 

Second, that's what people do when they write articles. They provide sources to back up their claims, and analyze the sources. I've already done the analyzing in the first post, and now I'm providing source after source to back it up.

 

 

 

Here, I'll help you out. Here's a source that claims Jesus would have tortured:

 

 

 

Many alleged Christians fail to see typical Christian responses to evil in the world. In the haste to stop the killing of 6 million Jews in the Holocaust, thousands of Christians signed up to go and fight. But closely scrutinize who says Christians stood back and watched in silence.

 

 

 

Few mention Pope Pius XXIIs secret actions to transport as many Christians as possible out of Nazi Germany, or the hundreds of Catholics that worked tirelessly to save as many Jews and Christians from death camps, or even Saint Maximilian Kolbe who traded his life for a citizen incarcerated in a death camp.

 

 

 

Those kangaroo Christians seem to forget who came up with the Emancipation Proclamation (Lincoln{Christian}), or a Congress of mostly Christian Republicans who passed the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments to the Constitutionmainstays for all Blacks today. The writer remembers Catholic Archbishop Joseph Rummel excommunicating three segregationists (1962) for refusing to integrate church schools in Louisiana.

 

 

 

Starting in 1981, the perfect solution was devised for the oncoming crisis of HIV/AIDS, much of which was transpiring in the Black community. A Nobel laureate couldnt have come up with a better solutiontotal fidelity in marriage, and no sex with anyone but your marriage partner. Many ignore that advice.

 

 

 

Shockingly, many have molded enhanced interrogation techniques with torture. Theres a huge differenceas well as a major definition variancethey dont want to talk about.

 

 

 

Torture involves extreme physical pain or even death, such as the cutting off of appendages, gouging of eyes, use of shredders to the body, electrical shockyou name it. Blood is usually involved.

 

 

 

But water boarding, only done on 3 prisoners in the US, is probably the most enhanced of the techniques. Because of the conditions of the test, there was no pain, no blood, no deathonly fear. As a result, hundreds maybe thousands, were saved from certain death from terrorists during the Second Wavean assault intended for a high rise on the West Coast, but thwarted by the information gained from water boarding those three terrorists.

 

 

 

Interestingly, all three terrorists are walking around today with their digits intact, tongues attached, and none the worse physically or mentally.

 

 

 

Its likely even Jesus would have OKd water boarding if it would have saved his Mom. He wouldve done the same to save his Dad, or any one of His disciples. For that matter, He even died to save all humans.

 

 

 

Its obvious He would not be happy with those who voted for the candidate who kills because its above his pay grade to know if theyre alive. Checking the Commandments, killing innocents is against the 5th. Because pro-aborts dont know for sure life does not exist at conception, they are still willing to risk that its not killing.

 

 

 

http://www.redstate.com/roetenks/2009/0 ... -response/

 

 

 

Before the It's likely even Jesus part that was a very well written commentary. Guess it depends on if we consider psychological harm torture, and if so how much psychological harm should we allow? Yeah, the Jesus thing is pretty bs, but it is important that we differentiate between waterboarding and cutting off fingers. We need to move on from waterboarding, but its hardly the worst way of doing things.

It says that waterboarding involves no pain. I'm pretty sure drowning would hurt

It says that waterboarding involves no pain. I'm pretty sure drowning would hurt

 

 

 

Not sure, most likely but in the context of stabbings and such Id say its less of a pain thing and more of a fear thing; however, saying no pain is too far of a stretch.

I could produce identical results by searching "arguments in favor of torture" on Google.

 

 

 

Still waiting for evidence and sources there Robby boy. Put up or shut up

Those are my own opinions. It's a simple persuasive mini-essay based almost solely on ethos.

Those are my own opinions. It's a simple persuasive mini-essay based almost solely on ethos.

 

 

 

Not really that persuasive, especially when you're using one rhetorical device; horribly, might I add.

 

 

 

Never mind that both logos and pathos both defeat your argument on more than one front that, "they're terrorists, and we should therefore torture them for fun...because they're terrorists." Just think of that for a second: "they're terrorists." They're not all terrorists, actually. In fact, many haven't been involved in any terrorist activities at all; a few were tortured and released, as I stated in my first post. And secondly, many held in detention are "thought" to be dangerous because of hearsay about their sworn allegiance to Bin Laden. This doesn't make them terrorists unless they've acted in a terrorist fashion.

Those are my own opinions. It's a simple persuasive mini-essay based almost solely on ethos.

 

 

 

You said you could produce identical results, which would mean you could back yourself up with sources and evidence. Which you have not.

Most successful technique for getting information is water boarding:

 

 

 

The most successful interrogation of an Al-Qaeda operative by U.S. officials required no sleep deprivation, no slapping or "walling" and no waterboarding. All it took to soften up Abu Jandal, who had been closer to Osama bin Laden than any other terrorist ever captured, was a handful of sugar-free cookies.

 

 

 

Abu Jandal had been in a Yemeni prison for nearly a year when Ali Soufan of the FBI and Robert McFadden of the Naval Criminal Investigative Service arrived to interrogate him in the week after 9/11. Although there was already evidence that al-Qaeda was behind the attacks, American authorities needed conclusive proof, not least to satisfy skeptics like Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf, whose support was essential for any action against the terrorist organization. U.S. intelligence agencies also needed a better understanding of al-Qaeda's structure and leadership. Abu Jandal was the perfect source: the Yemeni who grew up in Saudi Arabia had been bin Laden's chief bodyguard, trusted not only to protect him but also to put a bullet in his head rather than let him be captured. (See pictures of do-it-yourself waterboarding attempts.)

 

 

 

Abu Jandal's guards were so intimidated by him, they wore masks to hide their identities and begged visitors not to refer to them by name in his presence. He had no intention of cooperating with the Americans; at their first meetings, he refused even to look at them and ranted about the evils of the West. Far from confirming al-Qaeda's involvement in 9/11, he insisted the attacks had been orchestrated by Israel's Mossad. While Abu Jandal was venting his spleen, Soufan noticed that he didn't touch any of the cookies that had been served with tea: "He was a diabetic and couldn't eat anything with sugar in it." At their next meeting, the Americans brought him some sugar-free cookies, a gesture that took the edge off Abu Jandal's angry demeanor. "We had showed him respect, and we had done this nice thing for him," Soufan recalls. "So he started talking to us instead of giving us lectures."

 

 

 

It took more questioning, and some interrogators' sleight of hand, before the Yemeni gave up a wealth of information about al-Qaeda including the identities of seven of the 9/11 bombers but the cookies were the turning point. "After that, he could no longer think of us as evil Americans," Soufan says. "Now he was thinking of us as human beings."

 

 

 

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... 91,00.html

 

 

 

Oh, I'm sorry. Did I say water boarding? I meant sugar-free cookies.

I like that story.

 

 

 

Then again Robert would have preferred force-feeding him Kendall's fudge.

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Most successful technique for getting information is water boarding:

 

 

 

The most successful interrogation of an Al-Qaeda operative by U.S. officials required no sleep deprivation, no slapping or "walling" and no waterboarding. All it took to soften up Abu Jandal, who had been closer to Osama bin Laden than any other terrorist ever captured, was a handful of sugar-free cookies.

 

 

 

Abu Jandal had been in a Yemeni prison for nearly a year when Ali Soufan of the FBI and Robert McFadden of the Naval Criminal Investigative Service arrived to interrogate him in the week after 9/11. Although there was already evidence that al-Qaeda was behind the attacks, American authorities needed conclusive proof, not least to satisfy skeptics like Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf, whose support was essential for any action against the terrorist organization. U.S. intelligence agencies also needed a better understanding of al-Qaeda's structure and leadership. Abu Jandal was the perfect source: the Yemeni who grew up in Saudi Arabia had been bin Laden's chief bodyguard, trusted not only to protect him but also to put a bullet in his head rather than let him be captured. (See pictures of do-it-yourself waterboarding attempts.)

 

 

 

Abu Jandal's guards were so intimidated by him, they wore masks to hide their identities and begged visitors not to refer to them by name in his presence. He had no intention of cooperating with the Americans; at their first meetings, he refused even to look at them and ranted about the evils of the West. Far from confirming al-Qaeda's involvement in 9/11, he insisted the attacks had been orchestrated by Israel's Mossad. While Abu Jandal was venting his spleen, Soufan noticed that he didn't touch any of the cookies that had been served with tea: "He was a diabetic and couldn't eat anything with sugar in it." At their next meeting, the Americans brought him some sugar-free cookies, a gesture that took the edge off Abu Jandal's angry demeanor. "We had showed him respect, and we had done this nice thing for him," Soufan recalls. "So he started talking to us instead of giving us lectures."

 

 

 

It took more questioning, and some interrogators' sleight of hand, before the Yemeni gave up a wealth of information about al-Qaeda including the identities of seven of the 9/11 bombers but the cookies were the turning point. "After that, he could no longer think of us as evil Americans," Soufan says. "Now he was thinking of us as human beings."

 

 

 

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... 91,00.html

 

 

 

Oh, I'm sorry. Did I say water boarding? I meant sugar-free cookies.

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Mmm cookies

 

 

 

Should it be more surprising that cookies are the solution to every problem?