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[Bloodstain]

It is still a risk though, why would you continue taking this risk when you could just let him inside?

 

 

 

It's also a risk to keep them inside because of house fires.

 

 

 

A risk that can be controlled. And if there's a house fire it's likely that I will be home, then how hard is it to grab my dog and walk out the door? As opposed to having someone just walk up, take your dog, and walk away while you are not home or sleeping

 

 

 

edit: And if there was a fire, chances are that the flames are going to go onto the flammable grass anyway

[unkn0wnwarrior]

It is still a risk though, why would you continue taking this risk when you could just let him inside?

 

 

 

It's also a risk to keep them inside because of house fires.

 

Generally speaking, house fires don't happen often enough to be considered a credible threat to the dog. Although, around here, dog theft isn't a problem, either.

[Bloodstain]

It is still a risk though, why would you continue taking this risk when you could just let him inside?

 

 

 

It's also a risk to keep them inside because of house fires.

 

Generally speaking, house fires don't happen often enough to be considered a credible threat to the dog. Although, around here, dog theft isn't a problem, either.

 

 

 

Fair enough, but there are still all the risks associated with heat and cold and sun.

 

 

 

Still, no one has been able to come up with a GOOD reason to keep a dog outside yet

[Zierro]

And so the circle continues.

 

 

 

How is it a horrible example?

 

 

 

Because dogs are not humans. You even acknowledge this fact in the bottom of your post, but you don't see how it's ridiculous to compare them?

 

 

 

I am saying nothing likes being incredibly hot, and if you think the dog does then just go out and see what it's like.

 

 

 

First of all, dogs are not humans, so going outside to see what it's like proves just as little as eating dog food or eating off the floor "proves". Secondly, cats look for sun rays inside the house and "sunbathe" because they like the heat. I prefer hot weather over cold weather. Maybe you just don't like heat so you assume that anything exposed to the sun must be writhing in pain and boiling to death. :P

 

 

 

We don't like the taste of dog food, dogs do

 

 

 

Exactly, a human's reaction to something cannot be equated to another animal's reaction to it. Just because a human doesn't like something doesn't mean any other animal doesn't either. This was my point.

 

 

 

A risk that can be controlled. And if there's a house fire it's likely that I will be home, then how hard is it to grab my dog and walk out the door? As opposed to having someone just walk up, take your dog, and walk away while you are not home or sleeping

 

 

 

Theft can't be controlled? I like how dog theft only happens when you aren't there to do anything about it but fires only happen when you are there... If you are really gonna make dog theft seem more hazardous than house fires then that speaks for how biased you are. Not a very good idea when you practically having no one agreeing with you on this, bud. :lol:

[Riku3220]

It is still a risk though, why would you continue taking this risk when you could just let him inside?

 

 

 

It's also a risk to keep them inside because of house fires.

 

Generally speaking, house fires don't happen often enough to be considered a credible threat to the dog. Although, around here, dog theft isn't a problem, either.

 

 

 

Fair enough, but there are still all the risks associated with heat and cold and sun.

 

 

 

Still, no one has been able to come up with a GOOD reason to keep a dog outside yet

 

Ok then, how about this:

 

 

 

Outside dogs have a better immune system because they co-exist with the diseases.

 

 

 

Outside dogs have a better resistance to cold and heat because they live in it. So while it may be "too hot" or "too cold" for your dog, it won't be for outsides.

 

 

 

Outside dogs don't need restrictions such as "Don't chew this" or "Don't pee here" They're pretty much free except for the fence.

[unkn0wnwarrior]

Outside dogs don't need restrictions such as "Don't chew this" or "Don't pee here" They're pretty much free except for the fence.

 

That isn't necessarily a good thing, either. It would be better if they knew there were restrictions, just in case their living arrangements are altered.

[indy500fan]

Fair enough, but there are still all the risks associated with heat and cold and sun.

 

 

 

Still, no one has been able to come up with a GOOD reason to keep a dog outside yet

 

 

 

It wipes it's [wagon] on the carpet. Hair gets everywhere. It steps in it's own [cabbage] then walks on carpet. It smells. When visitors come over it annoys them.

[Bloodstain]

And so the circle continues.

 

 

 

 

 

First of all, dogs are not humans, so going outside to see what it's like proves just as little as eating dog food or eating off the floor "proves". Secondly, cats look for sun rays inside the house and "sunbathe" because they like the heat. I prefer hot weather over cold weather. Maybe you just don't like heat so you assume that anything exposed to the sun must be writhing in pain and boiling to death. :P

 

 

 

There is a difference between being forced to stay outside in the sun and being in an air conditioned house and sitting in the less intense sun beam with none of the humidity or hot air

 

 

 

 

 

 

Exactly, a human's reaction to something cannot be equated to another animal's reaction to it. Just because a human doesn't like something doesn't mean any other animal doesn't either. This was my point.

 

 

 

 

I still don't get how you are saying it is a bad example. It is HOT out, are you telling me that dogs are ok with being hot? Because when it is 30 C outside and I take my dog to the park for a short time, all the dogs are sluggishly walking around or laying in the shade trying to get out of the sun.

 

 

 

A risk that can be controlled. And if there's a house fire it's likely that I will be home, then how hard is it to grab my dog and walk out the door? As opposed to having someone just walk up, take your dog, and walk away while you are not home or sleeping

 

 

 

Theft can't be controlled? I like how dog theft only happens when you aren't there to do anything about it but fires only happen when you are there... If you are really gonna make dog theft seem more hazardous than house fires then that speaks for how biased you are. Not a very good idea when you practically having no one agreeing with you on this, bud. :lol:

 

 

 

No theft can't be controlled when you leave your dog out and at all times, including when you are not home and when you are sleeping. I never said it is more hazardous than house fires, but honestly, being inside and risking a one in a billion chance at a house fire (which if you aren't a moron should never happen) than being outside all the time. And I know no one is agreeing with me, but that's because no one here has ever really given it any thought beyond they are dogs therefore they will be happy outside no matter what, because they are animals.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Still, what is a good reason to leave a dog outside? And can that be achieved inside?

[Zierro]

Fair enough, but there are still all the risks associated with heat and cold and sun.

 

 

 

Still, no one has been able to come up with a GOOD reason to keep a dog outside yet

 

 

 

It wipes it's [wagon] on the carpet. Hair gets everywhere. It steps in it's own [cabbage] then walks on carpet. It smells. When visitors come over it annoys them.

 

 

 

Yeah, but those are only problems affecting humans. Dogs are clearly more important. ;)

[Lenin64]

people throwing [cabbage] over your fence because they don't like your dog (happens more than you'd think, anti freeze is a good one),

 

Hey, this guy just solved your bird problem and my cat problem in one stroke!

[Guest User]

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[unkn0wnwarrior]

people throwing [cabbage] over your fence because they don't like your dog (happens more than you'd think, anti freeze is a good one),

 

Hey, this guy just solved your bird problem and my cat problem in one stroke!

 

Why didn't I think of that one!? :lol:

[Bloodstain]

Fair enough, but there are still all the risks associated with heat and cold and sun.

 

 

 

Still, no one has been able to come up with a GOOD reason to keep a dog outside yet

 

 

 

It wipes it's [wagon] on the carpet. Hair gets everywhere. It steps in it's own [cabbage] then walks on carpet. It smells. When visitors come over it annoys them.

 

 

 

Ask the vet WHY it wipes it's [wagon] on the carpet. Could be worms.

 

 

 

Hair gets everywhere? Groom him, get his hair cut, or get one of those metal brushes that take all the loose hair out

 

 

 

It steps in it's own [cabbage]? Do you let it [cabbage] in the house? It shouldn't be doing this, maybe you just don't clean the feces out of your backyard enough

 

 

 

There are things you can do to stop it "smelling", putting it inside is a good start

 

 

 

Annoys visitors? Are you kidding me? Dogs gets excited, dogs like people. If it's really THAT big of a hassle, put him in the basement while company is over or you know, TRAIN YOUR dog how to lay down, calm down, sit, stay, no barking, etc.

 

 

 

 

 

You are really really lazy and have no good reasons to leave your dog out. If those are the reasons then you should have never gotten a dog. If you didn't want shedding why did you get a shedding dog?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ok then, how about this:

 

 

 

1. Outside dogs have a better immune system because they co-exist with the diseases.

 

 

 

2. Outside dogs have a better resistance to cold and heat because they live in it. So while it may be "too hot" or "too cold" for your dog, it won't be for outsides.

 

 

 

3. Outside dogs don't need restrictions such as "Don't chew this" or "Don't pee here" They're pretty much free except for the fence.

 

 

 

 

1. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

 

 

2. Living in it won't increase their resistance. No matter how long they live outside, if their body gets hotter or colder than a certain temperature they are either going to heat stroke or hypothermia. This is just stupid. And why would you NEED a dog that has resistance to heat and cold if this were?

 

 

 

3. This one is just saying that you are too damn lazy to train the dog. They have to live outside because you are lazy. Awesome. Free to sit in the same space every single day and night with no dogs or humans to stay with them, awesome. No exercise outside the fence. Awesome. Not training them anyway is just stupid, what if they dig and find a wire, chew it, and screw something in your house up?

 

 

 

 

 

Damn, those are some lazy lazy excuses

[Bloodstain]

 

It's pretty big. So stop repeating yourself if you have nothing new. I'll just buy them treadmills. Or even better, a giant hamster wheel. Then they can get all the exercise they want.

 

 

 

 

I repeat myself because we keep going in circles and people do seem to realize that just because they are dogs does not mean that they should be left outside 24/7, because they are animals and that certainly means they are not vulnerable to heat stroke, sun burn, hypothermia, need to be with their family, etc! Oh no, not at all!

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[Giordano]

So lemme guess...your dog wears shoes, little clothes, and eats with knives and forks, right? Bathes once a day and can speak English?

 

 

 

Besides how do you know the layout of his house? My old dog stayed outside for the most part, but he had the garage to "protect against cancer-giving sun rays". Are you just assuming his backyard is a 5ft x 5ft lot standing over an oven? I mean Christ, animals can withstand nature better than us.

 

 

 

I thought we made it clear, PETA isn't well liked in TIF.

[Riku3220]

 

It's pretty big. So stop repeating yourself if you have nothing new. I'll just buy them treadmills. Or even better, a giant hamster wheel. Then they can get all the exercise they want.

 

 

 

 

I repeat myself because we keep going in circles and people do seem to realize that just because they are dogs does not mean that they should be left outside 24/7, because they are animals and that certainly means they are not vulnerable to heat stroke, sun burn, hypothermia, need to be with their family, etc! Oh no, not at all!

 

You act like the dog is just going to lie there in the sun until it dies... If it gets hot they'll move to shade or get water.

[indy500fan]

Ask the vet WHY it wipes it's [wagon] on the carpet. Could be worms.

 

 

 

Hair gets everywhere? Groom him, get his hair cut, or get one of those metal brushes that take all the loose hair out

 

 

 

It steps in it's own [cabbage]? Do you let it [cabbage] in the house? It shouldn't be doing this, maybe you just don't clean the feces out of your backyard enough

 

 

 

There are things you can do to stop it "smelling", putting it inside is a good start

 

 

 

Annoys visitors? Are you kidding me? Dogs gets excited, dogs like people. If it's really THAT big of a hassle, put him in the basement while company is over or you know, TRAIN YOUR dog how to lay down, calm down, sit, stay, no barking, etc.

 

 

 

I don't have a dog, as I said above. These are what other dog owners tell me, one time when I asked why they didn't keep their dogs inside.

 

 

 

Dogs like to drag their [wagon] along the ground. I don't know why, I just see it a lot.

 

 

 

No matter how much you clean their hair off, it still gets everywhere. It happens with humans too, once you've lived with 3 sisters and a mom you'll see how much hair people lose even with it being washed everyday. Now that's just head hair, a dog has hair all over.

 

 

 

Like I said, I don't have a dog. And if you saw my backyard you would know why that is laughable (21 acres of land, roughly 85,000 square meters).

 

 

 

I used to go over to a friends house who kept his dogs inside all the time (except for [cabbage]ting) and they still smelled. Of course they didn't realize it, they were used to it.

 

 

 

Dogs get excited about people I am sure. You are making the mistake that all people are equally excited about seeing the dogs. Here is a good thing for you (and all dog owners for that matter) to know: many people don't like dogs. No, we don't care how friendly it is. They always mention how it would never hurt anyone, until it does. And then they will still mention it.

[Zierro]

There is a difference between being forced to stay outside in the sun and being in an air conditioned house and sitting in the less intense sun beam with none of the humidity or hot air

 

 

 

There is also a difference between humans and dogs. You see, this is what happens when you set the example that differences are negligible. Let's make a deal. I'll acknowledge outdoor heat and indoor heat as being different if you acknowledge humans and dogs being different. And just saying it doesn't count - only realizing how bad of an example comparing dogs to humans is will constitute as acknowledging the differences. So what do you say?

 

 

 

I still don't get how you are saying it is a bad example. It is HOT out, are you telling me that dogs are ok with being hot? Because when it is 30 C outside and I take my dog to the park for a short time, all the dogs are sluggishly walking around or laying in the shade trying to get out of the sun.

 

 

 

Oh yeah, shade. I forgot about that. See? The sun is an avoidable risk much like how house fires are. :lol:

 

 

 

No theft can't be controlled when you leave your dog out and at all times, including when you are not home and when you are sleeping. I never said it is more hazardous than house fires, but honestly, being inside and risking a one in a billion chance at a house fire (which if you aren't a moron should never happen) than being outside all the time.

 

 

 

Like I said, you're only bringing up circumstances that could just as easily be brought up with house fires. Fires can and do happen while people are sleeping or at work all the time. And where the hell did you get your 1/1,000,000,000 statistics from? Fires are a big thing. Dognappers... I never even heard of them until you (an explicit dog fanatic) brought it up.

 

 

 

Dogs can eat off the floor because they have more bacteria in their body that protects them against different things that can be found on the floor

 

 

 

As you put it:

 

 

 

1. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[indy500fan]

Yeah, I've never heard of someone stealing a dog either. Around here people are usually getting dogs from what everyone assumes are people in the city getting sick of them, driving out into the country and leaving them next to the road.

 

 

 

Worrying about a dog getting too hot in the summer is also regardless of whether or not they are inside, since we don't have AC. They actually would probably keep cooler outside since they could go down to the creek.

[Bloodstain]

So lemme guess...your dog wears shoes, little clothes, and eats with knives and forks, right? Bathes once a day and can speak English?

 

 

 

Besides how do you know the layout of his house? My old dog stayed outside for the most part, but he had the garage to "protect against cancer-giving sun rays". Are you just assuming his backyard is a 5ft x 5ft lot standing over an oven? I mean Christ, animals can withstand nature better than us.

 

 

 

I thought we made it clear, PETA isn't well liked in TIF.

 

 

 

I am not PETA, I despise PETA. I treat my dog like a dog, my dog eats dog food off the floor and drinks from a water dish. Putting clothes on animals is [bleep]ing stupid. He did bathe once a day because of jumping in mud puddles at the dog park but they have since dried up. You bought a dog, you have to take care of it and not just throw it by the wayside and deal with it when it's convenient for you. A dog is a living thing that is susceptible to weather conditions, and an average size yard in a city isn't going to cut it's exercise need.

[Giordano]

So lemme guess...your dog wears shoes, little clothes, and eats with knives and forks, right? Bathes once a day and can speak English?

 

 

 

Besides how do you know the layout of his house? My old dog stayed outside for the most part, but he had the garage to "protect against cancer-giving sun rays". Are you just assuming his backyard is a 5ft x 5ft lot standing over an oven? I mean Christ, animals can withstand nature better than us.

 

 

 

I thought we made it clear, PETA isn't well liked in TIF.

 

 

 

I am not PETA, I despise PETA. I treat my dog like a dog, my dog eats dog food off the floor and drinks from a water dish. Putting clothes on animals is [bleep] stupid. He did bathe once a day because of jumping in mud puddles at the dog park but they have since dried up. You bought a dog, you have to take care of it and not just throw it by the wayside and deal with it when it's convenient for you. A dog is a living thing that is susceptible to weather conditions, and an average size yard in a city isn't going to cut it's exercise need.

 

I never realized you needed to keep your dog inside all day, take it to specialized dog parks which for some reason offer better exercise than my backyard, and be its servant.

 

I mean really. My current dog get's a choice to stay inside and out, mostly out (where he has several trees to lay under for shade, water in three locations, and a garage to sleep/stay in, he has his food, we give him some of our food during dinner time, we pet him, and keep him company when he's inside (since when he goes outside its mostly to bark at passer-bys) and he loves each of every one of us. When we come home he gets all exited and happy, tries to pounce on us, etc, etc...

 

 

 

And I'm pretty safe to say, the other dog-owners of TIF treat their dog in similar ways. So we got happy dogs, we know what we're doing.

[sohkmj1]

Okay. Blood. Could you, I don't know, quit it? You've made 2 whole pages of posts, not one of them helping the OP with his bird problems. What do you preach about? How to be a slave to your dog. Whoopiedoo. Stop telling people how to treat their dogs, I'm sure most, if not all know what their dogs need, and what they don't. Not all of them live in... where ever you stay. They have different conditions to meet. So take a walk in their shoes before you tell others they are mistreating their dog. I don't have a dog, but I'm sure no one would pay hundreds for a dog, then leave it somewhere to gather dust.

 

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