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Chasing Perfection: Jagex's Quest for a PvP Utopia


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I just don't understand what they were aiming for in this update



harder to gain ep? No, now its easier than ever, you don't even have to risk on +1 worlds

harder to 26k? oh noes 76k

the 1 iteming problem? I can hardly pk on +1 worlds without getting attacked by one. now you can't even smite them

simply taking out the protect item prayer only to introduce a permanent version?



Nice.




It's Jagex. Making complicated rules for no other reason than to annoy and infuriate people? Well that's simply a British pastime. Try getting insurance on a car in England. Then you'll understand.




Lol.



Although I'm sure Jagex wants this over as much as we do, unless they find this funny :|

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With the bug that cost one poor guy 350m, Jagex apologized and then had the gall to say "I gave you an apology, and that doesn't happen very often."




Jagex didn't apologize and Jagex never said that. Mat K did. He was admitting he was wrong and how rare it is for him to do just that, not for Jagex as a company. Surely enough, everybody goes and takes his words out of context.



This is exactly why companies forbid employees from apologising. It is tantamount to admitting fault and the employees actions are interpreted as the actions & thoughts of the company as a whole and not as an individual person.



I agree with everything you said. However, Jagex is too far into the 'abolish RWT' attitude that they won't listen to any suggestions that could lead to RWTing no matter how good they are. One day they'll have to decide whether stopping RWT or pleasing their players is the bigger issue and when that day comes I hope they choose the later.




Seeing such an intelligent person say that hurt me a little. I understand that a lot of people here are naive enough to truly believe the choice is that simple, but please, not you.



It is around 10% of people who pvp, right?



Problem solved. :geek:




Over 800,000 people regularly PvP? Not including trickers and skillers? I doubt that. Not an attack on you libs, just pointing out numbers. My theory behind all the threads is because they are whingers.



Whoever said 6% of the total population quit in the big RWT updates, I think you are underestimating. It was stated over 100k people cancelled their subscriptions in the fortnight after the update. That represented roughly 10% of the members at the time. Plus how many freebies?



It's Jagex. Making complicated rules for no other reason than to annoy and infuriate people? Well that's simply a British pastime. Try getting insurance on a car in England. Then you'll understand.




I'll see your English insurance and raise you Melbourne! The hoon laws bumped my premium up by $3k.

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good post =D>



i think jagex need to realise that pvping isnt a money makers for most people who play the game. Pvping should be about your combat stats and Tactics. when you can "pay" someone to die for you and that gives you profit there will always be a problem with inflation. while money is being created for nothing, jagex cannot stop people flocking to pvp worlds, essentially ruining the skilling part of the game.



Update for tommorow maybe?




fix it soon, or every world will have to be come pvp to compensate



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With the bug that cost one poor guy 350m, Jagex apologized and then had the gall to say "I gave you an apology, and that doesn't happen very often."




Jagex didn't apologize and Jagex never said that. Mat K did. He was admitting he was wrong and how rare it is for him to do just that, not for Jagex as a company. Surely enough, everybody goes and takes his words out of context.



This is exactly why companies forbid employees from apologising. It is tantamount to admitting fault and the employees actions are interpreted as the actions & thoughts of the company as a whole and not as an individual person.



I agree with everything you said. However, Jagex is too far into the 'abolish RWT' attitude that they won't listen to any suggestions that could lead to RWTing no matter how good they are. One day they'll have to decide whether stopping RWT or pleasing their players is the bigger issue and when that day comes I hope they choose the later.




Seeing such an intelligent person say that hurt me a little. I understand that a lot of people here are naive enough to truly believe the choice is that simple, but please, not you.



It is around 10% of people who pvp, right?



Problem solved. :geek:




Over 800,000 people regularly PvP? Not including trickers and skillers? I doubt that. Not an attack on you libs, just pointing out numbers. My theory behind all the threads is because they are whingers.



Whoever said 6% of the total population quit in the big RWT updates, I think you are underestimating. It was stated over 100k people cancelled their subscriptions in the fortnight after the update. That represented roughly 10% of the members at the time. Plus how many freebies?



It's Jagex. Making complicated rules for no other reason than to annoy and infuriate people? Well that's simply a British pastime. Try getting insurance on a car in England. Then you'll understand.




I'll see your English insurance and raise you Melbourne! The hoon laws bumped my premium up by $3k.




If I'm honest, the 10% of people who left due to the nerfing of the original PVPing may have been what stuck in my brain as 10% of the people PVP. I was only going on what I remembered, and I'm not infallable.



And admitting fault? Oh lawdy, we can't 'mit tha we dun no wrong nohow. We gots ta hide dat right der. :ohnoes:
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In the business world it can lead to lawsuits and bad publicity (as we've seen in this case!).



Don't stress too much about the figures man, it's a forum, there's no point being here if you know everything :P What else can we do but share knowledge and ideas for funzies?

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In the business world it can lead to lawsuits and bad publicity (as we've seen in this case!).



Don't stress too much about the figures man, it's a forum, there's no point being here if you know everything :P What else can we do but share knowledge and ideas for funzies?




We can also share our various STDs right?
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Whoever said 6% of the total population quit in the big RWT updates, I think you are underestimating. It was stated over 100k people cancelled their subscriptions in the fortnight after the update. That represented roughly 10% of the members at the time. Plus how many freebies?




Yeah I quit over the RWT updates. Cancelled subscriptions ...considering I have been p2p since the first day P2P came out way back in Feb 2002 lol that ws a biggie for me. What is the source of this 100k info?



If it is right though, this means even more people than 100k quit over the RWT updates since I and many others did no quit right at that time exactly. I still had a friend I was playing with so I quit 2 months later but it was basically because of RWT updates.



All the stakers pretty much quit, too I bet. RWT pretty much said to them "oh yeah you can't do this anymore." Lol.

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Many more people that 100k quit, remember many f2p'ers also quit.

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Lots of the people who quit did not quit right away, they slowly quit as they became bored with the game. This number is not countable, but i personally know many who became bored with the game and cancelled.



That update totally and forever unbalanced the Trade System, and pvp. Since you will always need an unbalancing, unpredicable factor in order to throw off an RWTer, you can never have a truly balanced economy as long as PvP is a part of it.



Very big mistake to do what they did, as far as pvp is concerned. Total disaster.
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I agree with everything you said. However, Jagex is too far into the 'abolish RWT' attitude that they won't listen to any suggestions that could lead to RWTing no matter how good they are. One day they'll have to decide whether stopping RWT or pleasing their players is the bigger issue and when that day comes I hope they choose the later.




Seeing such an intelligent person say that hurt me a little. I understand that a lot of people here are naive enough to truly believe the choice is that simple, but please, not you.




It's ridiculously easy to RWT anyways.

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Like it's been said. Jagex can't please everyone. I think they'll fix this mess eventually but the clock is ticking jagex.
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Yeah I quit over the RWT updates. Cancelled subscriptions ...considering I have been p2p since the first day P2P came out way back in Feb 2002 lol that ws a biggie for me. What is the source of this 100k info?



If it is right though, this means even more people than 100k quit over the RWT updates since I and many others did no quit right at that time exactly. I still had a friend I was playing with so I quit 2 months later but it was basically because of RWT updates.



All the stakers pretty much quit, too I bet. RWT pretty much said to them "oh yeah you can't do this anymore." Lol.




Press releases from Jagex, quotes from Geoff, numerous other JMod quotes that have probably been eaten by the monster that is RSOF. Do your own legwork, I don't have time to scour the internet on my only day off to prove a point over the internet that hundreds of people with reasonable memories can back me up on. I don't care if you think I'm right, as long as you think :thumbsup:



I said it was stated there was over 100k cancelled subscriptions in the fortnight after the update. Obviously F2P doesn't count because they don't subscribe and anything after the fortnight was irrelevant to my post. That's not to say that more people quit or even that people didn't return. I just can't recall seeing any information from a reliable source in regards to anything outside that fortnight.



In the business world it can lead to lawsuits and bad publicity (as we've seen in this case!).



Don't stress too much about the figures man, it's a forum, there's no point being here if you know everything :P What else can we do but share knowledge and ideas for funzies?




We can also share our various STDs right?




You can catch them twice? :shock: I think we are in trouble!



It's ridiculously easy to RWT anyways.




The updates make it less profitable to use illegaly obtained credit card details to subscribe to memberships over Runescape. It therefore costs Jagex less money in reimbursments. RWT "ruining the game" is only part of the issue. Jagex is a business; don't forget the financial side.

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Yeah I quit over the RWT updates. Cancelled subscriptions ...considering I have been p2p since the first day P2P came out way back in Feb 2002 lol that ws a biggie for me. What is the source of this 100k info?



If it is right though, this means even more people than 100k quit over the RWT updates since I and many others did no quit right at that time exactly. I still had a friend I was playing with so I quit 2 months later but it was basically because of RWT updates.



All the stakers pretty much quit, too I bet. RWT pretty much said to them "oh yeah you can't do this anymore." Lol.




Press releases from Jagex, quotes from Geoff, numerous other JMod quotes that have probably been eaten by the monster that is RSOF. Do your own legwork, I don't have time to scour the internet on my only day off to prove a point over the internet that hundreds of people with reasonable memories can back me up on. I don't care if you think I'm right, as long as you think :thumbsup:



I said it was stated there was over 100k cancelled subscriptions in the fortnight after the update. Obviously F2P doesn't count because they don't subscribe and anything after the fortnight was irrelevant to my post. That's not to say that more people quit or even that people didn't return. I just can't recall seeing any information from a reliable source in regards to anything outside that fortnight.



In the business world it can lead to lawsuits and bad publicity (as we've seen in this case!).



Don't stress too much about the figures man, it's a forum, there's no point being here if you know everything :P What else can we do but share knowledge and ideas for funzies?




We can also share our various STDs right?




You can catch them twice? :shock: I think we are in trouble!



It's ridiculously easy to RWT anyways.




The updates make it less profitable to use illegaly obtained credit card details to subscribe to memberships over Runescape. It therefore costs Jagex less money in reimbursments. RWT "ruining the game" is only part of the issue. Jagex is a business; don't forget the financial side.




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You've brought up some valid points. I can only hope changes are made. Current pvp is much more complicated than the old wilderness. Back then it was a simple system. Simplicity is always better.
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You've brought up some valid points. I can only hope changes are made. Current pvp is much more complicated than the old wilderness. Back then it was a simple system. Simplicity is always better.




As I've made abundantly clear, Simple ? British. Sorry.
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Lol why would I do "my own" legwork? That isn't *my* claim. Do your own.

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You've brought up some valid points. I can only hope changes are made. Current pvp is much more complicated than the old wilderness. Back then it was a simple system. Simplicity is always better.




As I've made abundantly clear, Simple ? British. Sorry.






Lol, it's funny because it's true.
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Great thread. :thumbsup:





I agree, too many rules, too many updates... Old wilderness had no stupid updates. Old wilderness had no stupid Bounty Hunter... And now PK is like minigame?! Jagex should do something to make wild good, simple wild like it was years ago, and with this I DO NOT mean drops. I don't really care about drops, cause' PK should just be fun. But for many people, it's also or only money. I don't like "EP". I really hate to hear that word. Ah, and same with BH and it's terrible drop thingies that are here to destroy... you know what. The economy.



Bring it back... I want to PK in wilderness, without BH system and with not too good drops. That would almost be like old wilderness. If Jagex is able to somehow do it, it would be paradise. :(

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Pk is for fun and money.



I for one, would not want to waste str pots, sharks, risk lots of items for no return.
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Lol why would I do "my own" legwork? That isn't *my* claim. Do your own.




Because you are questioning it. If you don't believe it, prove me wrong rather than just being lazy. I don't have to prove the truth to myself, you need to disprove it to me.




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