A thing to wrap your mind around

[baalboy5]

Have you ever seen a molded person? For example, child stars?

 

 

 

I've been wondering lately if its suscessful to mold the perfect image of what the person wants. But to not only make the subject what the person wants, but to make the subject ALSO want what the person wants aswell.

 

 

 

I see this, as, impossible. I say it for a few reasons.

 

 

 

1.) With a perfect image created, other atributes are created to help achieve the goal. These atributes could also benieft in a different field, and corrupt the image of what the person wants, as the subject as knownledge of a different thing contrast to the orginal image.

 

 

 

2.) Knowneldge is key to whatever the image is. In order to make a perfect world leader, their vocabulary must be vass. This also includes ideas of different things, as animals. The image would be corrupt as the subject knows different things, and might try to pursuit different things.

 

 

 

 

 

Ignore my bad spelling btw.

 

 

 

Make it simple. Can you mold a person to be a dancer, but to also only want to dance? Keep in my the other factors to make a dancer could cause conflict to the mold and break the mold the person made.

[Flyingjj]

Just so you know, a lot of people are going to be a bit confused by what you are trying to say, I had to read it a few times before I understood it.

 

 

 

Umm... as for the idea itself, why? It's a completely hypothetical situation, as no one really tries to do it, and those who force it end up in prison.

 

 

 

But I guess I'll cut you some slack, my mind can be that random sometimes. I think it COULD be done, as you could use some elementary conditioning techniques to implant motivations, the "wants" of your situation. The rest is just simply the shaping.

[Zonorhc]

You mean conditioning?

 

 

 

That's unethical, you know. Also makes for a good start down a slippery slope.

[Lateralus]

Conditioning is definitely possible to a certain extent, as even a glimpse of history will show. However, to attempt to mould someone to the extent that they have no internal conflict is to attempt to mould something other than a human, so I don't think that's possible (or even close to it).

[RpgGamer]

How do you think sex slaves came to be?

 

They are raised from birth to know nothing but what they are molded into. It's prefectily possible, just a bit unethical and creepy.

[SHIPPOU]

Mickel Jorden, Tiger Woods, Michael Phelps, Michael & Janet Jackson ... plus TONS more movie and sports stars were groomed from a VERY early age by their parents to be what they are so well known for today. From what I read if the parents starts before the age of 4 training their kids for a certain "path" to follow, the chances are the kid will grow up doing it, and being famous for it. :idea:

[baalboy5]

I can understand what you're saying. But is it possible to do it mentally aswell? Im saying this as. Ok here an example.

 

 

 

A person is trianed from birth to be a killing machine. He/she knows the human body inside out. In part of this, he/she can, in theory, be a excellent doctor. So in the process of making the person into a killing machine, the person instead disregards the killing machine mold and takes over the doctor role.

 

 

 

What Im wondering is it possible to make a person whatever physically and mentally. But what I see stoping the person from becoming it 100% is the side knownledge of skills that contribute to the overall idea, flawing the mold and making the person decide different choices.

[nine naked men]

Yes.

[RpgGamer]

I'd say that in an isolated environment, total mental molding can occur. However once the molded person is released to the public environment, they will experience many new situations and choices in life. If done correctly, the molding will have programmed them to have no free will, and therefore ignore all of these oppurtunities to break the mold. But I suppose the risk of de-brainwashing is still there.

[Zierro]

I think it's only successful if the person actually wants to become that. Forcing them to want it is a different story. Ever hear of those fathers who get disappointed in their sons for not taking the family business or becoming a pro football player or whatever? Sometimes pushing things down someone's throat seems to have a counterproductive effect.

[rangeor]

I'm not sure about the mental part. The human mind is a powerful thing, and that can go either way. However working at an early age does help - for example, being an expert contortionist is impossible if you start too late.

 

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[mmmcannibalism]

In a way I think you answered your own questions. Someone who is trained from a young age to be an olympic athelete might become mentally commited to it and have no objections to that "fate" being chosen for them.

 

 

 

I guess it depends on what we consider a total molding of someone; do we count raising someone with skills suitable to being a world leader and them ending up as such a molding of them, or does it only count if you raise someone from birth to become a world leader and they never consider anything else?

 

 

 

Personally, I think its possible to mold someone to a certain extent. If you were good at molding people then you could be highly succesful in raising them for success in something they would "choose". However, it has to be done properly or it is raising someone with specialized skills that they will use in an unknown manner, a good example would be the amount of monarchs rasied in the royale family who become horrible kings/queens.