f2p need adjusting!

[Ralph]

but i can't make enough money

 

 

 

You can't make about a dime a day? You can find that much on the streets!

 

 

 

Dare I ask, what country do you live in?

 

 

 

that sir, was uncalled for.

 

 

 

Actually it was a serious question. If he has the internet, he has five dollars a month. In most 3rd world countries, internet cafes are prevalent as a cheap alternative because people can't afford their own computers/internet. In these countries, five dollars means a lot, and can buy a lot more than it could in the US. So either the OP is a lazy kid, or he's part of the low income group to which five dollars really is that much. He could be playing from school for all I know.

 

 

 

Considering even in the US, almost 1/3rd of the population live paycheck to paycheck, I try to stay away from personal attacks based on money until I know exactly what that person's status is.

 

 

 

 

 

so you are trying to flame his country for being too poor for runescape membership? it costs different in different countries, and thats something that goes beyond forum posting, offending his country. its uncalled for and rude. and you say you try to stay away from personal attacks based on money? WELL YOU DIDNT DO THAT TOO WELL HERE.

 

 

 

 

 

dare i say.... anti trolled gf?

[Danny_TeamDan]

but i can't make enough money

 

 

 

You can't make about a dime a day? You can find that much on the streets!

 

 

 

Dare I ask, what country do you live in?

 

 

 

that sir, was uncalled for.

 

 

 

Actually it was a serious question. If he has the internet, he has five dollars a month. In most 3rd world countries, internet cafes are prevalent as a cheap alternative because people can't afford their own computers/internet. In these countries, five dollars means a lot, and can buy a lot more than it could in the US. So either the OP is a lazy kid, or he's part of the low income group to which five dollars really is that much. He could be playing from school for all I know.

 

 

 

Considering even in the US, almost 1/3rd of the population live paycheck to paycheck, I try to stay away from personal attacks based on money until I know exactly what that person's status is.

 

 

 

 

 

so you are trying to flame his country for being too poor for runescape membership? it costs different in different countries, and thats something that goes beyond forum posting, offending his country. its uncalled for and rude. and you say you try to stay away from personal attacks based on money? WELL YOU DIDNT DO THAT TOO WELL HERE.

 

 

 

 

 

dare i say.... anti trolled gf?

 

Pyro Casts Anti Troll. The Anti Troll hits: 45-45. Omali was no match for pyro.

[Juhnie]

but i can't make enough money

 

 

 

You can't make about a dime a day? You can find that much on the streets!

 

 

 

Dare I ask, what country do you live in?

 

 

 

that sir, was uncalled for.

 

 

 

Actually it was a serious question. If he has the internet, he has five dollars a month. In most 3rd world countries, internet cafes are prevalent as a cheap alternative because people can't afford their own computers/internet. In these countries, five dollars means a lot, and can buy a lot more than it could in the US. So either the OP is a lazy kid, or he's part of the low income group to which five dollars really is that much. He could be playing from school for all I know.

 

 

 

Considering even in the US, almost 1/3rd of the population live paycheck to paycheck, I try to stay away from personal attacks based on money until I know exactly what that person's status is.

 

 

 

 

 

so you are trying to flame his country for being too poor for runescape membership? it costs different in different countries, and thats something that goes beyond forum posting, offending his country. its uncalled for and rude. and you say you try to stay away from personal attacks based on money? WELL YOU DIDNT DO THAT TOO WELL HERE.

 

 

 

 

 

dare i say.... anti trolled gf?

 

... #-o

 

 

 

Omali's question was which country the OP lives in, considering it's harder to make money in certain countries than in others (in one country getting 5$ is so hard it means a lot, in another one it's so easy you can almost use it as toilet paper). He asked this to determine is it really hard for the OP to make money to buy the membership or is he just simply too lazy to work for the money.

 

 

 

Juhniz casts please-read-post-before-flaming, hits over 9000. Pyrox is annihilated.

[Jehosaphat]

F2P does need an adjustment - an attitude adjustment. Would they rather have a 10-day trial for a bit, then have to pay? Or would they like to keep playing for free?

 

 

 

Not to mention the new skill in the works that's supposed to be F2P...

[Harakiri]

I'd like to point out that F2P DOES need adjusting, but not new content. So the title is a bit misleading.

 

 

 

By adjusting, I mean things like fixing the combat circle and other imbalances that are smoothed over in P2P.

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you.

 

 

 

As a f2per for quite a while, i'm pretty sure it will be considered a demo and not get lots of decent updates for a while no matter what Jagex says, and i know that 5 bucks for p2p isn't really hard to get, but is asking for a fair combat system a lot?

 

 

 

Oh and we all deserve a more balanced game because we are not paying? Zamorak said it right there in the post, it is smoothed over in P2P. Gives you more incentive to give up five bucks right? Be happy with what you get! Jesus Christ you get more then enough content and you complain! You are acting greedy, like we deserve better because we are not giving Jagex what they needs to help keep the game running. That's why P2P are getting all the updates, they are paying up for them. F2P doesn't pay so why do they deserve anything.

 

 

 

F2P does need an adjustment - an attitude adjustment. Would they rather have a 10-day trial for a bit, then have to pay? Or would they like to keep playing for free?

 

 

 

Exactly, quit being greedy, live with what you are not paying for and shut up. You have no valid reasons to complain specifically because everybody saying F2P deserves more cannot beat this: "Your not paying."

[Danny_TeamDan]

but i can't make enough money

 

 

 

You can't make about a dime a day? You can find that much on the streets!

 

 

 

Dare I ask, what country do you live in?

 

 

 

that sir, was uncalled for.

 

 

 

Actually it was a serious question. If he has the internet, he has five dollars a month. In most 3rd world countries, internet cafes are prevalent as a cheap alternative because people can't afford their own computers/internet. In these countries, five dollars means a lot, and can buy a lot more than it could in the US. So either the OP is a lazy kid, or he's part of the low income group to which five dollars really is that much. He could be playing from school for all I know.

 

 

 

Considering even in the US, almost 1/3rd of the population live paycheck to paycheck, I try to stay away from personal attacks based on money until I know exactly what that person's status is.

 

 

 

 

 

so you are trying to flame his country for being too poor for runescape membership? it costs different in different countries, and thats something that goes beyond forum posting, offending his country. its uncalled for and rude. and you say you try to stay away from personal attacks based on money? WELL YOU DIDNT DO THAT TOO WELL HERE.

 

 

 

 

 

dare i say.... anti trolled gf?

 

... #-o

 

 

 

Omali's question was which country the OP lives in, considering it's harder to make money in certain countries than in others (in one country getting 5$ is so hard it means a lot, in another one it's so easy you can almost use it as toilet paper). He asked this to determine is it really hard for the OP to make money to buy the membership or is he just simply too lazy to work for the money.

 

 

 

Juhniz casts please-read-post-before-flaming, hits over 9000. Pyrox is annihilated.

 

 

 

i know the game may seem exciting but it gets boring after you beat the main parts so i am ranting cause i am really of mad and they need more quest that are newer i mean mems have all of it i mean c'mon?!?nobody else cares about this they say become a member but i can't make enough money it life not that i want it cheaper i just want f2p to get exciting (playing for 3.8 years)

 

 

Okay...Learn to read right back at ya. He clearly states he can't make money for it - Wether he has trouble managing school + a job or he can't get a job due to age/economy is bad. The point pyro is making is that Where he lives shouldn't be brought up publicly to make fun of his status. saying something like 'Dare i ask where do you live?' Is implying that this player lives in a bad place which wasn't needed. He clearly states he cannont make the money and he's fine with that because he also said I just want f2p to get exciting. This rant wasn't titles P2p prices need adjusting! so bringing up where he lives due to finacial issues was uncalled for. He simply thinks f2p needs some updates to keep him interested in the game. Which is a fine rant - yes you can rebuttle with oh if you want updates pay but Ad revenues also bring in cash and f2pers are the ones having to deal with that.

 

 

 

Please actually read and comprehend - As we have because his finacial status doesn't solve his rant about F2P gaining updates.

 

 

 

Lol people make money so easily they use it as toilet paper..I don't think so. Also take in the fact that maybe he's too young to have a credit card or to mail/call in w/out parents permission.

 

 

 

Exactly, quit being greedy, live with what you are not paying for and shut up. You have no valid reasons to complain specifically because everybody saying F2P deserves more cannot beat this: "Your not paying."

 

I heard ad revenue pays a lot more than 5 dollars a month :lol: - Confirm/Deny?

[Harakiri]

^^Yeah, I forgot ads because I haven't played in a while...ads do pay a bit, but they still shouldn't pay for F2P to get a complete experience like these people so desperately want.

[Ravenkana]

I'd like to point out that F2P DOES need adjusting, but not new content. So the title is a bit misleading.

 

 

 

By adjusting, I mean things like fixing the combat circle and other imbalances that are smoothed over in P2P.

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you.

 

 

 

As a f2per for quite a while, i'm pretty sure it will be considered a demo and not get lots of decent updates for a while no matter what Jagex says, and i know that 5 bucks for p2p isn't really hard to get, but is asking for a fair combat system a lot?

 

 

 

Oh and we all deserve a more balanced game because we are not paying? Zamorak said it right there in the post, it is smoothed over in P2P. Gives you more incentive to give up five bucks right? Be happy with what you get! Jesus Christ you get more then enough content and you complain! You are acting greedy, like we deserve better because we are not giving Jagex what they needs to help keep the game running. That's why P2P are getting all the updates, they are paying up for them. F2P doesn't pay so why do they deserve anything.

 

 

 

F2P does need an adjustment - an attitude adjustment. Would they rather have a 10-day trial for a bit, then have to pay? Or would they like to keep playing for free?

 

 

 

Exactly, quit being greedy, live with what you are not paying for and shut up. You have no valid reasons to complain specifically because everybody saying F2P deserves more cannot beat this: "Your not paying."

No, it needs smoothing over cause I barely touched range or magic until I became a member. And magic only because of Dragon Slayer.

 

 

 

See, an unbalanced demo, or in this case, as Jagex is wont to claim, a full blown game, will be offputting to new gamers. They may up and leave for something with a smoother, more aligned presentation, meaning there is NO chance that Jagex will ever see profit from them.

[Danny_TeamDan]

^^Yeah, I forgot ads because I haven't played in a while...ads do pay a bit, but they still shouldn't pay for F2P to get a complete experience like these people so desperately want.

 

I don't see him so desperate. Rather mis informed on the full issue. Sure the main arguement is pay for what you get. Which itself is valid but f2p ad revenue also brings in a lot of dough :lol:. We're not asking for better updates than members...More like activites to keep players occupied while they go through there f2p period. I think he simply doesn't know theres so much to do in f2p :P .

 

 

 

To the original poster... I'm sure you've touched up on every skill that you can but surely you haven't tried everything in those skills :]. Also if skilling isn't your thing considering Pvp. Wether this be in Clan Wars Arena or Pvp/BH worlds. Also theres a whole new community out there that you've probably never given a shot. I'm ofcourse talking about the clan world \ . Infact this is one of the few things I actually do in f2p. The clan community is a fun way to play runescape and I can't wait till our next event so it keeps me happy perhaps you could check it out :P

[Omali]

Okay...Learn to read right back at ya. He clearly states he can't make money for it - Wether he has trouble managing school + a job or he can't get a job due to age/economy is bad. The point pyro is making is that Where he lives shouldn't be brought up publicly to make fun of his status. saying something like 'Dare i ask where do you live?' Is implying that this player lives in a bad place which wasn't needed.

 

 

 

School+job: I manage college and two jobs, I can afford 5 bucks a month.

 

Age: If you're too young to have a job, no company will care about your input about something being expensive.

 

Economy: We're all in the same economy.

 

 

 

I asked where he lives because, in some countries, five dollars is a lot; it can go a lot longer in feeding your family and if someone is working their [wagon] off to feed their family, it's something I can absolutely respect. Maybe if you'd pull that rod out of your backside, and stop looking at this from your high horse, you'd recognize that's what I've said multiple times.

 

 

 

He clearly states he cannont make the money and he's fine with that because he also said I just want f2p to get exciting. This rant wasn't titles P2p prices need adjusting! so bringing up where he lives due to finacial issues was uncalled for. He simply thinks f2p needs some updates to keep him interested in the game. Which is a fine rant

 

 

 

Again, if you were more than slightly literate, you'd get my point. But since you're not going to, let's move on to the next point.

 

 

 

yes you can rebuttle with oh if you want updates pay but Ad revenues also bring in cash and f2pers are the ones having to deal with that.

 

 

 

Ad revenue for the entirety of f2p makes a small percentage of Jagex's income, something like 7% if I recall that chart correctly.

 

 

 

Please actually read and comprehend - As we have because his finacial status doesn't solve his rant about F2P gaining updates.

 

 

 

No, but for the same reason you don't insult someone with downsyndrome on their intelligence, I'm not going to insult someone who is literally doing their best to make ends meet, because they can't afford a vanity item like Runescape.

 

 

 

Lol people make money so easily they use it as toilet paper..I don't think so. Also take in the fact that maybe he's too young to have a credit card or to mail/call in w/out parents permission.

 

 

 

If he's too young, then who cares what he thinks about a business model? There's a reason 10 year olds don't run businesses.

 

 

 

I heard ad revenue pays a lot more than 5 dollars a month :lol: - Confirm/Deny?

 

 

 

You heard wrong.

[Danny_TeamDan]

Okay so i understand your point and I agree with you somewhat. But the way you asked him where he lived seemed rude. Wether it's harder or not for him to make money I don't find it necessary to just ask him based on where he lives. He could live in a decent country and still face tough times and perhaps comes onto rs since his rents can't buy him anything better than a computer. Or maybe he's playing at a library or something. Like i said earlier I think the rants more about f2p needs adjusting not omg p2p is too expensive!

 

 

 

School+job: I manage college and two jobs, I can afford 5 bucks a month.

 

Age: If you're too young to have a job, no company will care about your input about something being expensive.

 

Economy: We're all in the same economy.

 

1.You may be able to handle it..but we don't know for sure if he can. Nor should we ask him all his personal details about why not.

 

2. You're completly right..But doesn't mean younger people can have some decent ideas/suggestions.

 

3. Sadly yeah but others still have advantages in the economy compared to the OP [ Higher educations/Previous work experience ]

 

 

 

If he can't get members then why put him down for it :\ I know his rant isn't the best and nor are my responses but I think f2p could use adjustments. Nothing big just simple updates time to time. And I'm pretty sure ad revenue brings in some decent dough - I'll have to do some research since you deny it :wall:

 

 

 

As I posted earlier for the Original poster I think he should explore more of f2p since I highly doubt they've fully experienced everything in f2p :]

 

 

 

I'm not trying to make this rant into a quote flame war or w/e just stating that the rants not really about him not being able to afford p2p.

[unkn0wnwarrior]

And I'm pretty sure ad revenue brings in some decent dough - I'll have to do some research since you deny it

 

There is a chart that has been posted around that shows 7% of their revenues are from ads.

 

 

 

And the only thing I can think of that F2P NEEDS is a combat triangle update to bring mage up to where it should be.

[Danny_TeamDan]

And I'm pretty sure ad revenue brings in some decent dough - I'll have to do some research since you deny it

 

There is a chart that has been posted around that shows 7% of their revenues are from ads.

 

 

 

And the only thing I can think of that F2P NEEDS is a combat triangle update to bring mage up to where it should be.

 

I'd love to see this chart pm me a link or something if you run across it :].

 

 

 

And I agree but I think range is also a little underpowered but meh i'm a range lover so oh well. Mage definatly needs some updates. They've added some more robes with fog and gop but still the defenses on the robes aren't great nor does the max hit change :\

[Zamorakshadow]

No, it needs smoothing over cause I barely touched range or magic until I became a member. And magic only because of Dragon Slayer.

 

 

 

See, an unbalanced demo, or in this case, as Jagex is wont to claim, a full blown game, will be offputting to new gamers. They may up and leave for something with a smoother, more aligned presentation, meaning there is NO chance that Jagex will ever see profit from them.

 

 

 

 

Exacly. Even if we don't pay, f2p has got to be a good game, and AT LEAST a balanced combat system would be good, and would not be waaay too much.

 

Yes, we are evil greedy monsters who freeload and don't deserve a thing and all that, but is a balanced combat system asking too much?!

 

 

 

Really, MMG said f2p its the full game ( i'm f2p and don't believe that, but, whatever :? ), and the "full game" can't even ask for a fair combat system whitout being called greedy? >.>

 

 

 

Seriously, even if i'm not paying for anything, i can't see how i am a greedy person just for wanting a fair combat system >.<

 

 

 

I lurk a few game-related forums once in a while, and Jagex doesn't have a very good reputation, one of the main reasons i saw for people insulting Jagex in theese forums is never updating f2p :?

 

Freeloading or not, f2p is still a part of the game, and a pretty important one >.<

[Danny_TeamDan]

No, it needs smoothing over cause I barely touched range or magic until I became a member. And magic only because of Dragon Slayer.

 

 

 

See, an unbalanced demo, or in this case, as Jagex is wont to claim, a full blown game, will be offputting to new gamers. They may up and leave for something with a smoother, more aligned presentation, meaning there is NO chance that Jagex will ever see profit from them.

 

 

 

 

Exacly. Even if we don't pay, f2p has got to be a good game, and AT LEAST a balanced combat system would be good, and would not be waaay too much.

 

Yes, we are evil greedy monsters who freeload and don't deserve a thing and all that, but is a balanced combat system asking too much?!

 

 

 

Really, MMG said f2p its the full game ( i'm f2p and don't believe that, but, whatever :? ), and the "full game" can't even ask for a fair combat system whitout being called greedy? >.>

 

 

 

Seriously, even if i'm not paying for anything, i can't see how i am a greedy person just for wanting a fair combat system >.<

 

 

 

I lurk a few game-related forums once in a while, and Jagex doesn't have a very good reputation, one of the main reasons i saw for people insulting Jagex in theese forums is never updating f2p :?

 

Freeloading or not, f2p is still a part of the game, and a pretty important one >.<

 

I agree with you on some parts. But the part about jagex not having a good reputation is because many people here are f2p. But they don't have a great rep on RS forums either but they truly do work hard to improve the game. I mean f2p gained deul arena fog gop and some new monsters overall jagex does a decent job for updating f2p but I think they can still add in a few more updates ;) I'm sure they will as well but when? who knows :P

[nerdboyxxx]

leik cmon?!!2!2!!11@!!1@1!??>?K?? Dey iz gettin raiped by jagex caus no updaets. Geiv mai de gaem 4 free pl0x.

 

 

 

[/noobishness]

 

 

 

Dude, get over it. You don't pay, so you can't expect updates that often. You'll get the occasional one, but don't expect weekly (I'd say one every 2-3 months would be fair).

[unkn0wnwarrior]

I'd love to see this chart pm me a link or something if you run across it :].

 

I'll check around for it in a bit. It shouldn't take long to find. I think it's in half of the threads with F2P in the title.

 

 

 

Dude, get over it. You don't pay, so you can't expect updates that often. You'll get the occasional one, but don't expect weekly (I'd say one every 2-3 months would be fair).

 

It used to be one every 6 months or so, but if they hold true it should be more often.

 

 

 

EDIT: Here's that graph.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ad revenues = 7% in 2008

[Harakiri]

Thanks for the graph, that's actually quite interesting, I would have thought ads would be giving more income.

[nerdboyxxx]

EDIT: Here's that graph.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ad revenues = 7% in 2008

 

 

 

Wow that's lower than I thought :shock:

[unkn0wnwarrior]

Yeah, especially with how many pages we went through just to get to the game at one point. Not to mention the frequency of ad changes/refreshes. It seems like it should be higher, but that still earns them a lot.

[Danny_TeamDan]

Glad you found the chart. But it refers to merchscapeworld which seems to be a fan site :S And I'm jwing where they found that or is the site ran by jagex? But yeah you would think ad revenue would have made more than that :lol:

[unkn0wnwarrior]

Supposedly, they used actual financial data from Jagex and made it along with others. You can see them all HERE.

[Danny_TeamDan]

Supposedly, they used actual financial data from Jagex and made it along with others. You can see them all HERE.

 

Thanks :thumbup: Do you know where he gets his information from though? Was interesting how he broke down a lot of things :P

[Expl0de]

Before you get flamed by others, I just want to let you know a few things.

 

 

 

Jagex's CEO, Mod Mark, personally mentioned that he will add upgrades to the F2P worlds over time (be it a few weeks to a few months). Now, it is not to say that if he doesn't release an update for F2Pers, then you are to whine. What everyone will tell you is, and you know this yourself, P2P pay Jagex money, and so they get priority over new content.

 

 

 

Jagex tries their best to fulfill the needs of their paying players first. When they have time, they will add things for F2Pers. Whining doesn't help, but cleaning up your grammar and punctuation does.

 

 

 

Thanks for reading.

 

 

 

PS: I'm 100% F2P.

 

 

 

+1! I'm close to 100% P2P, but I understand what you mean. The part I put in bold is what I'm afraid of for most F2P'ers.

 

 

 

Or, you could try P2P for a month or two.

[unkn0wnwarrior]

Supposedly, they used actual financial data from Jagex and made it along with others. You can see them all HERE.

 

Thanks :thumbup: Do you know where he gets his information from though? Was interesting how he broke down a lot of things :P

 

If what he said is true then his sources were Jagex's own financial documents.

 

 

 

Or, you could try P2P for a month or two.

 

If we are to assume the OP is telling the truth, then they cannot afford to. In that case, that is simply not an option.