All about Combat

[SacredFlam3s]

I have a few questions related to combat, as i am going for 85 slayer no cannon ( i need geepees)

 

 

 

1. Would it be worth it to buy guthans and sacrifice bunyip to go to a multicombat area and use my titans with guthans to heal? or is bunyip better?

 

 

 

2. What is a good spec weapon? right now im using ddp++. is there anything better that is not too expensive? Once i get the money i will buy SS for str training.

 

 

 

Thanks,

 

Sailor89

 

 

 

EDIT: i Will be off the computer because i need to sleep so u might not get a reply for 12-14 hours

[RayOxide]

DDS for slash/stab (cant remember) and D mace for crush. both only 30k each roughly, so no big hassle there.

 

 

 

As for the first question, I dont know, but I wouldnt say dont buy guthans because its kinda a waste atm, and merch clans might start merching guthans when you buy it.

[JoeDaStudd]

1. Titans all the way. You'll get more exp this way, remember titans give exp bunyip doesn't.

 

2. Stick with DDS until you can unlock EE or afford SGS.

[Jeffwilson99]

Yeah I'd get 75 fm and 80 fletch and anything else you need, and get EE. I don't ever really use dds anymore, as EE saves you a lot in healing and food with its defence boost

[Cptbaker08]

Don't forget that titans can also heal you for 8 HP a scroll. It helps out on those tasks.

 

 

 

DDS will work until you can get something you'll like more. With DDS you will get faster kills and more exp an hour. But with the Enhanced Excalibur you lose out on the extra speed but you gain with being able to stay longer.

[Darkvengence]

Sometimes a titan is overkill though, in some places a bunyip will keep up and keep you near full hp. Not to mention using only titan scrolls to heal could build up a hefty cost.

[Cptbaker08]

Sometimes a titan is overkill though, in some places a bunyip will keep up and keep you near full hp. Not to mention using only titan scrolls to heal could build up a hefty cost.

 

Some places a bunyip is overkill as well. Places that are multi and you don't really need much healing the titans come in handy. Tasks such as Dags and Dust Devils don't hit hard at all, but they do enough damage you might need to heal some.

 

 

 

Recently i've been trying to speed up my tasks and found that the damage from the titan helps out, and so does the healing it gives, Yes the scrolls are expensive but they do work great. And you get some exp on the side.

[SacredFlam3s]

so on tasks i pray for and that are weak, i should use a titan, and for the others ones if i can get an EE i could use titan and maybe some scrolls. but for the moment only some tasks.

 

 

 

and dds is the best weapon for me?

[onedaysoon]

Well i'd say get the guthans for sure. You can still use a bunyip, and with guthans it is a great combination for slayer. A good special weapon is an SGS, but your probably not looking for something like that at the moment lol, for now DDS should do fine ;)

[skylor12344]

i really dont see a use for guthans in slayer if you get tasks like abby spectres,banshees, or dust devils where you need an item in order to kill them, even basalisks its pointless to use guthans because you need the shield otherwise they will absolutley stomp you, i would say use the bunyip over guthans by fare when it comes to slayer.

[Zaaps1]

Cannon. You should still profit or break even overall. There is no reason not to unless you make an unreasonably low amount of gp/hr (I think it number was like 100k or something).

 

 

 

Titans can heal more hp/hr than bunyips, so just using a titan in multi should be fine. Use a bunyip in single comat though, since the titan would do no good and isn't that much better at most tasks anyway.

 

 

 

The Enhanced Excalibur gives you essentially 12 sharks and 3 super defense pots per hour. Get it if you can and use it. You could alternatively borrow an SGS for all tasks that require it.

 

 

 

DO NOT get guthans if you have 68 summoning or higher.

[SacredFlam3s]

i don't really want to use cannon as i block kalphites, kill dags in the Chaos Tunnels and saving up for 99 crafting is kinda hard...

[Zaaps1]

i don't really want to use cannon as i block kalphites, kill dags in the Chaos Tunnels and saving up for 99 crafting is kinda hard...

 

 

 

It is still better to cannon, unless you are slaying for fun and not going for a particular goal.

 

 

 

Say you wanted to gain 10 slayer levels before you get 99 crafting. In this case, it is better to cannon and pray superhuman strength. However, if you just wanted to slay for a little while, and don't care about how many levels you get, then go get 99 crafting, then it would be better if you did not cannon or pray superhuman strength.

 

 

 

This is because the cannon and prayer saves more than enough time to compensate.

[SacredFlam3s]

what is better money, abby demons or spiritual mages, and how much money is each method an hour. Im kinda wondering because the cannon might be worth it if i get their faster. cause ill probably slay, do some monster hunting and all of that stuff for money.

[Cptbaker08]

Spirit Mages are more profit per hour then Abyssal Demons. Dragon Boots have a better chance to drop then the whip from the Demons. Don't let my siggy fool you though, i never got a Mage task until i hit 90 slayer, and by then i had about 8-9 whips from demons.

 

 

 

One downfall for most is that Mages don't drop charms where as Abby Demons have one of the better chrimson drop rates. Also you can get lucky on side drops, such as magical runes, runite items, and some other rare drops, and maybe make more.

 

 

 

Most profit from slayer comes from those runes, both magical and non, herbs, herb seeds and various other things. Such as items you can alch on task. Those bonus drops you can get (Whips, D Boots, Dark Bows, etc.) are more of a nice drop. Also don't forget to farm herb seeds and the mini-game Manage Thy Kingdom. These help improve profits as well.

[Zaaps1]

I suggest using the cannon on all tasks where you are allowed to set up a cannon except perhaps Steel Dragons, Iron Dragons, and Greater Demons. It is not worth it to make your own cannonballs unless you are a beginning player who is making your first million gp and want to get smithing up a bit. If that description fits you, you shouldn't be using this slayer guide. If someone is making cannonballs, they are valuing their time so low that it is not nearly worth it to use the cannonballs! Therefore, I recommend you buy all your cannonballs on the Grand Exchange.

 

 

 

Remember that cannons decay after 25 minutes and you get the "almost decayed" message at 20 minutes. Pick up and place your cannon in the same spot to reset the decay time; do this every time you see the "almost decayed" message.

 

 

 

Of course, sometimes you will accidently let your cannon decay. You can reclaim it for free from Nulodion at the Dwarven Mines entrance near Ice Mountain. Leave the task unless you are very close to being done. To get to Nulodion super fast, use Spellbook Swap and cast Lassar Teleport which puts you on Ice Mountain; or just run there from Edgeville but that's a bit slower.

 

 

 

Cannons are useful as they hardly add any time, but you get about 24k range xp and 12k slayer xp for 1k cannonballs, worth 190k. With a 1M per hour value of time, that is equivalent to 11.4 minutes of time. To be safe, I'll assume that firing 1k cannonballs takes 2.5 minutes away from your ranging or meleeing. Using these numbers, using a cannon is equivalent to getting 104k range xp and 52k slayer xp per hour at no cost. As I find that very fast I consider the cannon worth it.

 

 

 

If you only value time at 500k per hour, the cannon is still worth it because it will be equivalent to about 57k range xp and 28k slayer xp per hour.

 

 

 

At time valued at 300k per hour the cannon would not be worth it, but really, it just saves so much time, and I think nearly all good slayers should be value their time at over 300k per hour. Killing Spiritual Mages (83 slayer) for Dragon boots makes more than that, plus you get xp.

 

 

 

Now, a note about the whole "cannon noob" thing and moral issues involved here- Personally I see the cannon as no more than an extension of one's combat ability. If someone is complaining about you using a cannon and taking kills, why aren't they complaining about you using super sets, or a whip instead of a bronze warhammer, which also will let you take more kills? Everyone has the right to increase their combat ability and compete with others as much as they want.

 

 

 

Also by no means do I necessarily recommend going in and setting up a cannon regardless of who is there. In many cases, it is more efficient for you, the cannoner, to switch worlds until you find an empty world; an example of that would be Kalphite Soldiers.

 

 

 

Cannonballs are expensive, so the combat advantage they give is well-deserved and should be respected.

 

 

 

Convinces you, hopefully.

 

 

 

In addition I would like to restate that you will STILL profit from slayer even if you do cannon, so "trying to save up money" isn't a reason not to cannon. The only reason you should not be cannoning at your stats are if you don't care about slayer levels and are just slaying for a little fun.

[SacredFlam3s]

I suggest using the cannon on all tasks where you are allowed to set up a cannon except perhaps Steel Dragons, Iron Dragons, and Greater Demons. It is not worth it to make your own cannonballs unless you are a beginning player who is making your first million gp and want to get smithing up a bit. If that description fits you, you shouldn't be using this slayer guide. If someone is making cannonballs, they are valuing their time so low that it is not nearly worth it to use the cannonballs! Therefore, I recommend you buy all your cannonballs on the Grand Exchange.

 

 

 

Remember that cannons decay after 25 minutes and you get the "almost decayed" message at 20 minutes. Pick up and place your cannon in the same spot to reset the decay time; do this every time you see the "almost decayed" message.

 

 

 

Of course, sometimes you will accidently let your cannon decay. You can reclaim it for free from Nulodion at the Dwarven Mines entrance near Ice Mountain. Leave the task unless you are very close to being done. To get to Nulodion super fast, use Spellbook Swap and cast Lassar Teleport which puts you on Ice Mountain; or just run there from Edgeville but that's a bit slower.

 

 

 

Cannons are useful as they hardly add any time, but you get about 24k range xp and 12k slayer xp for 1k cannonballs, worth 190k. With a 1M per hour value of time, that is equivalent to 11.4 minutes of time. To be safe, I'll assume that firing 1k cannonballs takes 2.5 minutes away from your ranging or meleeing. Using these numbers, using a cannon is equivalent to getting 104k range xp and 52k slayer xp per hour at no cost. As I find that very fast I consider the cannon worth it.

 

 

 

If you only value time at 500k per hour, the cannon is still worth it because it will be equivalent to about 57k range xp and 28k slayer xp per hour.

 

 

 

At time valued at 300k per hour the cannon would not be worth it, but really, it just saves so much time, and I think nearly all good slayers should be value their time at over 300k per hour. Killing Spiritual Mages (83 slayer) for Dragon boots makes more than that, plus you get xp.

 

 

 

Now, a note about the whole "cannon noob" thing and moral issues involved here- Personally I see the cannon as no more than an extension of one's combat ability. If someone is complaining about you using a cannon and taking kills, why aren't they complaining about you using super sets, or a whip instead of a bronze warhammer, which also will let you take more kills? Everyone has the right to increase their combat ability and compete with others as much as they want.

 

 

 

Also by no means do I necessarily recommend going in and setting up a cannon regardless of who is there. In many cases, it is more efficient for you, the cannoner, to switch worlds until you find an empty world; an example of that would be Kalphite Soldiers.

 

 

 

Cannonballs are expensive, so the combat advantage they give is well-deserved and should be respected.

 

 

 

Convinces you, hopefully.

 

 

 

In addition I would like to restate that you will STILL profit from slayer even if you do cannon, so "trying to save up money" isn't a reason not to cannon. The only reason you should not be cannoning at your stats are if you don't care about slayer levels and are just slaying for a little fun.

 

 

 

ok thanks, that kinda convinced me. still a few questions though.

 

 

 

1. Can you use cannon at waterfiends

 

 

 

2. could i killed waterfiends with a whip+rune defender (why do all good crush weapons have to be so expensive?)

[RayOxide]

Note that cannons may be fast xp, but you arent getting hp xp, which should be valued.

 

Also I have a vendetta against cannons.

[Zaaps1]

It is impossible to cannon waterfiends.

 

 

 

Whip + defender did work ok for me, although any crush weapon is much better. Try Zerker necklace + obby mace. It's a cheap crush weapon and is arguably better than the SS (since you can use a defender and the zerker necklace increases damage by a lot). Costs around 300k, which isn't bad at all. Also remember that you can sell back any weapons/armor you buy, so while it may seem like you're paying 2m for a Zammy Spear, you actually are paying nothing since you can sell it back for roughly the same price. If you buy one, I recommend the ZS since it's also useful for Aquanites and metal dragons. Also, crush weapons are better than a whip at Gargoyles.

 

 

 

You do give up HP xp, but in the long run you'd still save more time with a cannon. It's only like 2-5k hp xp you lose per task (which will last about 30 minutes average), which isn't much work at Chinchompas, Rock lobs, or Soul Wars.

[Cptbaker08]

A lot of the prices Zaaps got though are way off. Cannonballs are 350 gp max i think. I bought 5k for 311 at max price and they are trickling in. You can thank those Chaos Dwarves and Dwogres for that. And the ZS is now 3.8m.

 

 

 

As for the Whip+Rune defender, I have used that on my last few tasks. But you should probably use super potions and a Str boosting Prayer to help with the killing. Once i ran out of those potions and my prayer it became a very hard task to do. Weapons with crush do help out loads more.

 

 

 

As for the HP-Cannon thing. I've been cannoning most my tasks, the ones that i could, and I noticed that you will still get 99 HP before you get the Maxed Melee. I'm gonna be getting 99 Def and 98 HP around the same time. 99 HP will be coming along soon after i start working on Str.

[Zaaps1]

It's not me that I quoted. It was Zarfot in his slayer guide. Of course, adjust his math to suit today's prices.

 

 

 

My point with the ZS was that no matter how much it costs, it shouldn't be an issue since you can simply sell it back when you are done.

[Cptbaker08]

It's not me that I quoted. It was Zarfot in his slayer guide. Of course, adjust his math to suit today's prices.

 

 

 

My point with the ZS was that no matter how much it costs, it shouldn't be an issue since you can simply sell it back when you are done.

 

Ya i know it was Zarfot's. But still the prices are wrong. And if prices still go up it might be a little harder to still profit. This is the second time they have gone up so much in the past few months.

 

 

 

The first was when TSG was having their 2 Week slayer competition. What a joyous 2 weeks -.- .

[SacredFlam3s]

I recommend the ZS since it's also useful for metal dragons.

 

 

 

 

 

How the [CABBAGE} do you kill metal dragons without a a dragonfire shield or anti-drag shield. i cant kill em without pro melee