Dying clans?

[Lordmaximu5]

Alright, for some time I've been noticing, there are a lot of clans which die simply because their leader doesn't have the time or is looking to quit rs because he wants to move on. We have examples like Shadow Elves, Damage Inc, Masters of Dragons and so on. I mean big clans like Damage Inc, Shadow Elves and even the smaller clans have strong back-up leadership, councils who are capable of leading the clan then what is the reason behind them closing the clan just because they don't have time?

 

Some reasons:

Are they that greedy that they don't want the leadership to be moved on?

 

or is it that

 

The clan cannot run without that leadership?

 

or

 

Are they just using this as an excuse for their closure? [ /color]

 

 

What do you think?

 

Discuss.

 

PLEASE NOTE, I'M NOT POINTING ONLY TOWARDS THOSE CLANS WHICH I'VE SAID, THEIR JUST EXAMPLES, SORRY COULDN'T THINK OF NEWER CLANS THAT CLOSED FOR THIS REASON, I KNOW THERE ARE PLENTY.

[zq50]

Some members of the clan were there simply because they liked their leader and the leader was active and members liked being around the leader. Without the main leader, some members don't think that their clan will ever be the same. I also think that the main leaders might close it simply because they don't want their clan to be around without them in runescape.

[Uffan5]

Since it's the leaders' clan, it is their decision of whether to close the clan due to inactivity/quitting of just the him/her self, and/or other leaders/founders. If they wish to close the clan because of this, then so be it. That's their decision since they created the clan, but if a group of the clan want to try to attempt to "remake" the clan under different leadership like we've seen happen, that is also another option. I think there could be leadership depth under the main founders/leaders, but the founders/leaders who quit runescape don't want to see their clan crumble if they do decide to pass it on, and make a bad name for the clan.

[Mago]

I don't think you have enought information about dying pk clans.

 

Anyway i think brutality is the next dying clan.

[Danny_TeamDan]

This topic seems outdated.

 

I think it's lack of solid leadership willing to take over, theres rare ocasions where some one can step in and maintain the clans expectations and still perform well etc.

[Nobody]

Clans die for all kinds of reasons, the leadership moves on and nobody is willing/able to step up and lead the clan as successfully(they think). They feel it's better to close on a high then close on a low.

Clans close because they can no longer compete or the core has lost interest/left. When your most dedicated members go inactive that can cause a clan to close without the spine that allowed the head to work.

[HAR]

I've always thought it was greedy if a leader closes because he is busy personally. Although in the case of DI, I can understand it since Ghjjf is such an icon that DI would not be DI without him. The others that have done so are fairly stupid. Clans go through leadership changes when retirements happen and new leaders are cycled through quite often. I think if the clan states its closing for that reason, I rarely think its a cover up since its fairly legit. DI and SE had few problems - MoD however had been cruising on a short lifeline for a while.

 

Obviously, if the leadership is passed on, the clan won't be the same but I bet most clans would still be able to function in a similar way at least.

[pheonix1099]

Well, in the case of se our dear denat and sarrkas did see suitable leadership to hand down to however, literally all of our officials were 16+ and were planning to retire or quit in the next 6 months so we saw no point to continue

 

 

next clan to die? dunno time will tell

[armybuilder]

Tbh i think its mostly to do with age of members. Most people's lives are getting to where they dont have time to play. Or thats what ive seen anyway

[Vio]

Are they that greedy that they don't want the leadership to be moved on?

 

This is a good question. Brian was the renowned leader of what was possibly the strongest F2P clan since RSD, and that would be a hard title to give up to anyone else, IF there was anyone else he deemed worthy of taking up leadership. Greed, I don't know about though.

 

 

The clan cannot run without that leadership?

 

I think so, as said above. I personally don't like clans that constantly change leadership though - yes, maybe the clan might turn out better and stronger, but the clan itself changes just as much as the leadership does. This has happened before. If anyone remembers the Cutthroat Syndicate (cXs, closed late 2007), they left their RuneScape focus because Tom/Hunter22 (Founder and leader) had too much going on in real life to manage a clan. Yes, they had some slight leadership changes before, but cXs wouldn't be the same clan without Tom at the lead. Even so, the cXs community is thriving with him still an active forum member, more than 2 years after the clan closed.

 

WG is similar in many ways. We wouldn't be the same without Gene/His Lordship.

 

 

Are they just using this as an excuse for their closure?

 

It seems a valid suggestion. The clan world isn't what it once was, with limited resources after all the drama with RWT (And who really wants to be based in clan wars?). It's not as easy as it once was to sustain a clan (I myself have had former leadership positions). If the clan starts falling back in terms of wars/PKs/PKRIs, it'll be one hell of a task to bring them back up to speed, and in this day and age, we ask ourselves, "Is it really worth it?"

[Darkrai]

Every clan that closes usually has a loss of leadership or a huge amount of inactivity over a long time. When a developed clan closes, the reason would probably be a loss of leadership. Clans like "THE" have continued to change it's leadership, the the extinct clans like EH/RDC could have promoted lower ranks.

 

However, these clans would have a bad future if they didn't close. Ghjjf leaving DI would have eventually DI pulling ~200 options instead of ~300, most probably. Other clans like Eternal Honor and even DS would have those problems too.

[Cowmonkey]

All i can say is RIP DV 2010

[The Observer]

Before I answer this question, I'm going to clarify some things. SE's leadership was looking for someone else to take over (for almost a year), and since almost the entire staff had to quit, they thought it was best to close the clan rather than leave it in shambles. Closing it in its prime rather than on its knees.

 

Can a clan last without its main leadership?

 

It depends. If there are no decent replacements, then the clan will be in far better off shape than when it began, so it would be probably best to close it down before they slowly die off.

 

Greed?

 

It does happen in the clan world, but I suppose that could have been a small contributing factor within Ghjjf's decision, but I wouldn't say it's the main reason why DI closed.

[KingYufei]

Depends on what our own meaning of dieing is... I mean when I was with Mori we were still pulling 90 opts which were a huge difference compare to the golden age of The Moriquendi. But now they are pulling about 15s to 20s but still staying alive and strong.

 

My own clan Lethality has only been around for a year or so and we had our ups and downs for a small clan wars clan. Many of our members are from the day we started and even when they leave it's that they want to retire, take a break and come back when they are not busy. Ofcourse youall know that everyclan has their loyal members and people who stay there. And this loyality is for the clan not for just a certain member.

 

Many reasons to why some clans close have a lot to do with Time Zones, Leaders who can't control their members, civil trail in the clan it self, etc. Tho who's to say they won't ever come back?

 

I mean look at DK lol... came back what? 6 times from closeing?

 

A clan with 300 peeps is a clan, a clan with only 10 members is still a clan.

 

Hard to say.