SS vs Whip

[Wisky_is_Goo]

I usually do slayer, which is better for normal melee training? Just whip for Attack/Def and SS for strength?

[Aiel]

both? SS for gargs+fiends and strength training, whip+defender/dfs for everything else, too many tasks (drags) req a shield for it to be worth it to not have a whip.

[Bladewing]

Use a whip whenever you can, excluding waterfiends. Use controlled for strength xp.

[Aiel]

Use a whip whenever you can, excluding waterfiends. Use controlled for strength xp.

I believe in zarfot's guide he stated that SS is like 10% faster then whip at gargs, also if you have super antifires go with controled+ZS.

[Mischlings]

Use a whip whenever you can, excluding waterfiends. Use controlled for strength xp.

I believe in zarfot's guide he stated that SS is like 10% faster then whip at gargs, also if you have super antifires go with controled+ZS.

 

He never says exactly what the speed difference is, but he says that either SS or godsword is faster than a whip. However, that was before Kuradal's Dungeon, and the ferocious ring evens out the playing field a bit -- I still think SS would be better, but I think that the +40 puts whip above godsword mostly due to the speed.

[Grimy_Bunyip]

I don't understand why he said that a godsword would be faster, can't imagine that would actually be the case.

but the ferocious ring would benefit the SS much more than an abyssal whip.

 

whip/defender is about +7% max average damage higher, ignoring accuracy

cant say much more about the accuracy difference though. Whip/defender doesn't miss much in the first place if you are on slayer task, turmoiling, and using extreme pots.

 

anyway my personal assumption (unfounded in any research what so ever)

is that if you have high stats, use turmoil, and overloads, go with the whip+ defender, since you massive attack level will buff out any accuracy issues

if your stats are lower, go with the SS handsdown

[Wisky_is_Goo]

I don't understand why he said that a godsword would be faster, can't imagine that would actually be the case.

but the ferocious ring would benefit the SS much more than an abyssal whip.

 

whip/defender is about +7% max average damage higher, ignoring accuracy

cant say much more about the accuracy difference though. Whip/defender doesn't miss much in the first place if you are on slayer task, turmoiling, and using extreme pots.

 

anyway my personal assumption (unfounded in any research what so ever)

is that if you have high stats, use turmoil, and overloads, go with the whip+ defender, since you massive attack level will buff out any accuracy issues

if your stats are lower, go with the SS handsdown

Im 85 str/att/def at the moment.

[Grimy_Bunyip]

[quote name='tehsengir' date='22 March 2010 - 01:08 AM' timestamp='1269234504' post='4171807'

Im 85 str/att/def at the moment.

If you're not going to be using extreme potions/overloads/piety, I'd go with SS assuming money is no issue

[EFG]

It really doesn't make much of a difference, use whatever weapon for what skill you need to train.

[Duality64]

both? SS for gargs+fiends and strength training, whip+defender/dfs for everything else, too many tasks (drags) req a shield for it to be worth it to not have a whip.

 

 

well first of all both are good for slayer but a gs is way better at slayer

and coming to this dude at fiends is best not to use a ss or a gs because the zammy spear is way better for killing them

and gargs hit alot if you dont have a shield of some kind i am a lvl 135 with 99 def which they always hit me when they att me...

so both of you said are not so good

ps you dont have you use a dfs or anti dragon shield to kill a dragon if you are useing anti dragon breath pots you can use anything

which i have seen alot of zammy spears and the leaf bladed sword at irons and steel which i use my whip and dfs and i tried the zammy spear way and i hit alot better with the spear then my whip

[Aiel]

both? SS for gargs+fiends and strength training, whip+defender/dfs for everything else, too many tasks (drags) req a shield for it to be worth it to not have a whip.

 

 

well first of all both are good for slayer but a gs is way better at slayer

and coming to this dude at fiends is best not to use a ss or a gs because the zammy spear is way better for killing them

and gargs hit alot if you dont have a shield of some kind i am a lvl 135 with 99 def which they always hit me when they att me...

so both of you said are not so good

ps you dont have you use a dfs or anti dragon shield to kill a dragon if you are useing anti dragon breath pots you can use anything

which i have seen alot of zammy spears and the leaf bladed sword at irons and steel which i use my whip and dfs and i tried the zammy spear way and i hit alot better with the spear then my whip

that only is effective with super antifires, as i stated in a later post. And with a bunyip you should rarely have food problems on a task. Also i believe it has been proven that SS>ZS>GS at waterfiends, but if your buying a ZS for dragons anyway, I would just stick with that.

[SirIzenhime]

The whip + Defender is always better then the SS unless you plan to train only str, or need the crush bonus, no matter what your levels are. I actually will compare my killing speed with other slayers using SS, and ever since I've had 70 atk, my whip beats people using an SS nearly 90% of the time.

 

I also prefer training on Controlled over any other style anyways, just personal preference I suppose. I also prefer the Zamorakian spear for crush over the SS, but that could honestly go either way. The ZS has a +5 crush bonus over the SS, the SS has a +8 str bonus over the ZS. I guess it just depends which you find most worth using.

[Obtaurian]

both? SS for gargs+fiends and strength training, whip+defender/dfs for everything else, too many tasks (drags) req a shield for it to be worth it to not have a whip.

 

 

well first of all both are good for slayer but a gs is way better at slayer

and coming to this dude at fiends is best not to use a ss or a gs because the zammy spear is way better for killing them

and gargs hit alot if you dont have a shield of some kind i am a lvl 135 with 99 def which they always hit me when they att me...

so both of you said are not so good

ps you dont have you use a dfs or anti dragon shield to kill a dragon if you are useing anti dragon breath pots you can use anything

which i have seen alot of zammy spears and the leaf bladed sword at irons and steel which i use my whip and dfs and i tried the zammy spear way and i hit alot better with the spear then my whip

 

This guy must be trolling.

 

1) A godsword is NEVER the best primary weapon for slayer. It's easily inferior to both the whip and SS.

2) A Saradomin Sword is superior to a Zamorakian Spear at waterfiends.

3) It doesn't matter how much Gargoyles hit if you're slaying in Kuradal's Dungeon. If you're not, you can easily kill them fast enough to where conventional healing methods, such as EE or SGS, should keep you at a reasonable LP level. Soul Split would be even better, of course.

4) Super Antifire potions*.

 

I can't believe you're 130+. Did you PC or SW all of it?

[SirIzenhime]

^ the comparison to ZS and SS at Waterfiends is debatable. Since the ZS has a higher Crush Bonus, where the SS has a higher Str Bonus.

[Bladewing]

8 Strength is much better than 5 attack. SS wins 100% of the time.

 

EDIT: I myself use Zspear for the reasons stated below. I actually don't even do WFs anymore.

[Mischlings]

My reason for Zamorakian Spear over Saradomin Sword is that I can think of much better uses for 9 million than an item that I would only use for one slayer task. The spear just has more potential uses, since stab weakness is more common than crush weakness, and it's cheaper. I'm sure that SS is better for waterfiends, but the difference isn't worth tying up 9 million in that weapon for just the one task (yes, I know the gargoyles thing, but there seems to be a similar case there -- between super pots and piety, the difference between whip and SS is much smaller).

[qeltar]

It just so happens that I did a controlled test of the SS versus ZS question at waterfiends last month. The Sara sword is better. Full report here.

[Guthorm]

It just so happens that I did a controlled test of the SS versus ZS question at waterfiends last month. The Sara sword is better. Full report here.

 

No offense as I am sure that report is very detailed(I saw your other works), but you are going to get trolled for that. :|

[Bladewing]

It just so happens that I did a controlled test of the SS versus ZS question at waterfiends last month. The Sara sword is better. Full report here.

 

No offense as I am sure that report is very detailed(I saw your other works), but you are going to get trolled for that. :|

Yeah, I'd love to read your experiment but I'd rather not pay for membership to your site. I probably know most of the information on it already.

[qeltar]

Sorry, I never deliberately post links to the members' side of my site, that was a mistake.

 

You can read the report for free here.

[Guthorm]

Sorry, I never deliberately post links to the members' side of my site, that was a mistake.

 

You can read the report for free here.

 

Thank you very much! I would pay for the membership just to read the other reports but my Asian cheapness prevents me from doing so..maybe when I finally get a real job. :lol:

[Skeptical]

Whip + rune defender is superior for almost all tasks. If you can't afford both, get the whip, and spend the rest on better food and pots, and pocket the difference.