Abortion

[Aliath]

I checked the first two pages of the Off-Topic section, and didn't see anything related to this.

 

So, I think the title is self-explanatory; what do you think about this? Now, please, keep this polite even if you feel very strongly about this subject.

 

I believe late-term abortion is wrong, because the fetus is usually viable at that stage. There are even cases of the baby surviving and growing up with serious problems. As for everything else, I'm just undecided.

[Alg]

I believe late-term abortion is wrong, because the fetus is usually viable at that stage. There are even cases of the baby surviving and growing up with serious problems. As for everything else, I'm just undecided.

This. I'd personally be against it except in the case of rape/incest/etc but still think that it's the woman's choice. Who am I to tell a random woman what goes on in her body?

Plus, it's going to happen whether it's legal or not. Having it legal just means that you can be insured that it'll be done safely.

[scootlaboot]

/\/\ That's pretty much view on it as well.

[Iamdan]

I'm certain that every single person against abortion (in 1st world countries) have indulged at some point in their life, spending money that could have saved entire families via donation This is the hypocrisy that enrages me. Especially the ones holding up signs in the street with nerve to force their opinion on others when they don't live up to it themselves.

 

I've always wondered how many pro lifers end up adopting a child instead of having their own. It's easy to tell people they should put the kid up for adoption, but not so easy to actually give these kids a home.

[Distracted]

I never really got why adoption should be done instead of abortion. I mean, sure, abortion sounds cruel and whatnot, but I doubt many children actually get adopted. And once you pass a certain age, no one will even think of adopting you. Basically, you're just making a lot of children miserable instead of preventing them from living through that kind of life.

 

Anyway, my opinion on it is that abortion should be allowed, that way whoever wants to get an abortion will get one safely and whoever doesn't want to get an abortion can just not get one.

[tortilliachp]

choosing who should live and who should not, is something i feel would-be parents should consider before finding themselves in that situation. Condoms are not rocket science, but things can go wrong. if others choose to abort or not is none of my business.

[Aliath]

This. I'd personally be against it except in the case of rape/incest/etc but still think that it's the woman's choice. Who am I to tell a random woman what goes on in her body?

 

Yeah, so the woman should be allowed to kill a fetus who could otherwise be able to survive outside the woman's body for no good reason? I agree if its because she was raped or something, but most people who have abortions weren't. You do know that sometimes the babies survive, or they simply die slowly and painfully outside the mother.

 

Besides- who are you to say a child would be completely unhappy because he's put for adoption and not adopted? Even if that would be the case, but that's not a reason for him to be killed.

[tortilliachp]

Yeah, so the woman should be allowed to kill a fetus who could otherwise be able to survive outside the woman's body for no good reason? I agree if its because she was raped or something, but most people who have abortions weren't. You do know that sometimes the babies survive, or they simply die slowly and painfully outside the mother.

 

Besides- who are you to say a child would be completely unhappy because he's put for adoption and not adopted? Even if that would be the case, but that's not a reason for him to be killed.

in the spirit of "that's none of your business" :

do you eat meat, think much about the animals and their suffereing? do you think about the future generations you're killing by unsustainable consumption? are you against contraception? why should an innocent child die simply because the mother was raped, what's the child done to deserve death?

 

no, i still think we don't have any moral highground that justifies interfering with other people's lives on issues that are literally matters of life and death.

[Alg]

This. I'd personally be against it except in the case of rape/incest/etc but still think that it's the woman's choice. Who am I to tell a random woman what goes on in her body?

 

Yeah, so the woman should be allowed to kill a fetus who could otherwise be able to survive outside the woman's body for no good reason? I agree if its because she was raped or something, but most people who have abortions weren't. You do know that sometimes the babies survive, or they simply die slowly and painfully outside the mother.

 

Besides- who are you to say a child would be completely unhappy because he's put for adoption and not adopted? Even if that would be the case, but that's not a reason for him to be killed.

And that's what the mother has to live with. It's not my business why she does it.

Plus if it was open only to those that had been raped there's no way to tell who's using the service honestly or not anyway. I feel it's best to have it open to everyone because, again, if it's going to happen it had better be done right. It's not like making abortions illegal is going to ensure that they never happen anyway.

 

However, I agree with you as far as late term goes.

[Aliath]

Yeah, so the woman should be allowed to kill a fetus who could otherwise be able to survive outside the woman's body for no good reason? I agree if its because she was raped or something, but most people who have abortions weren't. You do know that sometimes the babies survive, or they simply die slowly and painfully outside the mother.

 

Besides- who are you to say a child would be completely unhappy because he's put for adoption and not adopted? Even if that would be the case, but that's not a reason for him to be killed.

in the spirit of "that's none of your business" do you eat meat, think much about the animals and their suffereing? do you think about the future generations you're killing by unsustainable consumption? are you against contraception? why should an innocent child die simply because the mother was raped, what's the child done to deserve death?

 

no, i still think we don't have any moral highground that justifies interfering with other people's lives on issues that are literally matters of life and death.

 

Your point? If a serial rapist argues that murder is wrong, is he wrong himself just because he's not a saint?

 

Besides, I'm not entirely against abortion. I'm just presenting some various points for the sake of the debate. I think its better you have a safe abortion than an unsafe one. What I think is ridiculous are the people who call mothers who have abortions "murderers" and pro-choice people who assume every abortion is the result of a rape, incest, or would otherwise be harmful for the mother to have the baby.

 

Sorry, I misread that post of yours, a_local_guy. I agree with you.

[fakeitormakeit2]

This. I'd personally be against it except in the case of rape/incest/etc but still think that it's the woman's choice. Who am I to tell a random woman what goes on in her body?

 

Yeah, so the woman should be allowed to kill a fetus who could otherwise be able to survive outside the woman's body for no good reason? I agree if its because she was raped or something, but most people who have abortions weren't. You do know that sometimes the babies survive, or they simply die slowly and painfully outside the mother.

 

Besides- who are you to say a child would be completely unhappy because he's put for adoption and not adopted? Even if that would be the case, but that's not a reason for him to be killed.

:thumbup:

[Aliath]

This. I'd personally be against it except in the case of rape/incest/etc but still think that it's the woman's choice. Who am I to tell a random woman what goes on in her body?

 

Yeah, so the woman should be allowed to kill a fetus who could otherwise be able to survive outside the woman's body for no good reason? I agree if its because she was raped or something, but most people who have abortions weren't. You do know that sometimes the babies survive, or they simply die slowly and painfully outside the mother.

 

Besides- who are you to say a child would be completely unhappy because he's put for adoption and not adopted? Even if that would be the case, but that's not a reason for him to be killed.

:thumbup:

 

I'm glad you agree, but I'd love to see what you have to say. I'm sure you could present some interesting points. :)

[Bouwzie]

I'm completely for it. Think about the parents, would they want to raise a child when they're 18 or something. Also, rape. I'd rather not have a baby that I do not want. Adoption is just weird, I'm not against but I still think it's weird. But that's just me.

[PoorLepRecon]

Late-term abortions are wrong. Any other time it should be up to the woman to decide.

[Aliath]

I'm completely for it. Think about the parents, would they want to raise a child when they're 18 or something. Also, rape. I'd rather not have a baby that I do not want. Adoption is just weird, I'm not against but I still think it's weird. But that's just me.

 

1. That's why adoption exists. Sorry, but if you're going to have underage sex or otherwise sex when you're unprepared to raise a child you should accept the risks that come with it.

 

2. 75 to 85 percent of women who have been raped have chosen not to abort their child. Of the people who do abort their child, only a very small percentage do it because they were raped.

[Distracted]

I'm completely for it. Think about the parents, would they want to raise a child when they're 18 or something. Also, rape. I'd rather not have a baby that I do not want. Adoption is just weird, I'm not against but I still think it's weird. But that's just me.

 

1. That's why adoption exists. Sorry, but if you're going to have underage sex or otherwise sex when you're unprepared to raise a child you should accept the risks that come with it.

 

Look, if every single kid that parents didn't want to raise themselves were put into orphanages, they would overflow. Abortion can be seen as one of so many ways to counteract overpopulation, even if it's such a tiny difference.

 

2. 75 to 85 percent of women who have been raped have chosen not to abort their child. Of the people who do abort their child, only a very small percentage do it because they were raped.

 

Not wanting to sound disrespectful, did you just make that up or do you have some sort of source for this?

[H2PM]

I believe if you want to, you should be able to.

 

Late abortions a no no.

 

And using it as a birth control. Hell NO.

[Aliath]

I'm completely for it. Think about the parents, would they want to raise a child when they're 18 or something. Also, rape. I'd rather not have a baby that I do not want. Adoption is just weird, I'm not against but I still think it's weird. But that's just me.

 

1. That's why adoption exists. Sorry, but if you're going to have underage sex or otherwise sex when you're unprepared to raise a child you should accept the risks that come with it.

 

Look, if every single kid that parents didn't want to raise themselves were put into orphanages, they would overflow. Abortion can be seen as one of so many ways to counteract overpopulation, even if it's such a tiny difference.

 

2. 75 to 85 percent of women who have been raped have chosen not to abort their child. Of the people who do abort their child, only a very small percentage do it because they were raped.

 

Not wanting to sound disrespectful, did you just make that up or do you have some sort of source for this?

 

Yeah, for the first statistic I did my research. As for the percentage of abortions being due to rape, I've heard it on several counts, and often in documentaries/medical television shows, but I can't recall the exact percentage.

[Bouwzie]

I'm completely for it. Think about the parents, would they want to raise a child when they're 18 or something. Also, rape. I'd rather not have a baby that I do not want. Adoption is just weird, I'm not against but I still think it's weird. But that's just me.

 

1. That's why adoption exists. Sorry, but if you're going to have underage sex or otherwise sex when you're unprepared to raise a child you should accept the risks that come with it.

 

2. 75 to 85 percent of women who have been raped have chosen not to abort their child. Of the people who do abort their child, only a very small percentage do it because they were raped.

 

1. I have a girlfriend. We are both underaged. We choose to have safe sex and the condom fails. How are we able to raise a child?

 

2. [cabbage].

[Aliath]

I'm completely for it. Think about the parents, would they want to raise a child when they're 18 or something. Also, rape. I'd rather not have a baby that I do not want. Adoption is just weird, I'm not against but I still think it's weird. But that's just me.

 

1. That's why adoption exists. Sorry, but if you're going to have underage sex or otherwise sex when you're unprepared to raise a child you should accept the risks that come with it.

 

2. 75 to 85 percent of women who have been raped have chosen not to abort their child. Of the people who do abort their child, only a very small percentage do it because they were raped.

 

1. I have a girlfriend. We are both underaged. We choose to have safe sex and the condom fails. How are we able to raise a child?

 

2. [cabbage].

 

1. You should know that condoms aren't 100% sure.

 

I'm obviously lying about that second point, huh? Right. Brilliant argument.

[Bouwzie]

They are supposed to be 100% sure. Hell, she uses the pill. We should be safe. If somehow she still gets pregnant, what should we do?

 

And to the 2nd point, I'm talking about the women who DID get raped. They should be allowed to abort their child, I'm not talking about the others.

[Alg]

1. You should know that condoms aren't 100% sure.

And that's part of why abortion exists, because there are no temporary yet guaranteed types of birth control. There are enough different types of birth control, however, to make abortion a 'last resort' kind of thing. And at least over here, there are clinics by schools that give them away (nearly) free.

[Abc1230]

There is an age restriction on sex? I had no idea :mellow:

 

Like pretty much everyone else said, making abortion illegal would only result in more fatalities for teh mothers. Better'n a falcon punch to the gut, eh? :P

(Kinda) serious question:

What do they do with aborted fetuses and [cabbage]?

[SeanyTheSailor]

I'm completely for it. Think about the parents, would they want to raise a child when they're 18 or something. Also, rape. I'd rather not have a baby that I do not want. Adoption is just weird, I'm not against but I still think it's weird. But that's just me.

 

1. That's why adoption exists. Sorry, but if you're going to have underage sex or otherwise sex when you're unprepared to raise a child you should accept the risks that come with it.

 

2. 75 to 85 percent of women who have been raped have chosen not to abort their child. Of the people who do abort their child, only a very small percentage do it because they were raped.

 

1. I have a girlfriend. We are both underaged. We choose to have safe sex and the condom fails. How are we able to raise a child?

 

2. [cabbage].

 

1. You should know that condoms aren't 100% sure.

 

I'm obviously lying about that second point, huh? Right. Brilliant argument.

1. So if one thing messes up it has to be a cascading load of [cabbage]? Also by abolishing it it wouldn't be stopped, you'd just get unclean, unsafe abortions and a lot of shallow graves.

2. I have to agree without a source this sounds ridiculous, rape victims are often seriously messed up in the head after their rape, seeing the product of that rape would very likely bring that back up. So I'm sorry but until I see a source I'm going to have to agree it sounds like [cabbage].

[PoorLepRecon]

I checked the first two pages of the Off-Topic section, and didn't see anything related to this.

 

So, I think the title is self-explanatory; what do you think about this? Now, please, keep this polite even if you feel very strongly about this subject.

 

I believe late-term abortion is wrong, because the fetus is usually viable at that stage. There are even cases of the baby surviving and growing up with serious problems. As for everything else, I'm just undecided.

 

 

You seem like you have a strong opinion to me.

 

 

A woman has the right to feel secure in her own body. If having a child makes her feel insecure, then she should have the right to remove that insecurity.