bedman Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Just one thing Enaid: it doesn't really make sense to give up 13 something stab bonus (drag def and void gloves in stead of deflector and barrow gloves) for 7 str, and at the same time sacrificing 4 str for 6 stab. Wearing a fire cape over ardy cloak is a better "deal" (more str per stab bonus given up) than deflector + barrows vs defender. I think either full str outfit (so your outfit but with a fire cape) or a full stab bonus outfit (defender and onyx ring i) is best. (not sure which of them, I'm inclinded to think full str). A Guide to Chinning in Ape atoll: up to 325kxp/h! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quyneax Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 On a target on which you have 50% accuracy with a max accuracy setup, you should go for the highest total atk + str (because atk = str in usefulness). So that's ardy 3, defender and berserker (i). If your accuracy is higher, str becomes better. So you trade 13 stab for 6 str, or 4 str for 5 stab. So you're correct that it'd be better to use fire cape or defender, or maybe both. Fire cape + deflector = 13 stab 16 str.Fire cape + defender = 26 stab 10 str.Ardougne cape 3 + deflector = 18 stab 12 str.Ardougne cape 3 + defender = 31 stab 6 str. I would say fire cape + deflector at 99 atk w/ ovl and turmoil. On Karil and Ahrim, this is the highest dps. But it depends on whether you spec with dds, claws or ks (I use ks or dds). But I don't have a fire cape :(. And I use the deflector for the tunnels, but it'd be better to bring a barrows plate & legs to switch to if you take much damage. Supporter of Zaros | Quest Cape owner since 22 may 2010 | No skills below 99 | Total level 2595 | Completionist Cape owner since 17th June 2013 | Suggestions 99 summoning (18th June 2011, previously untrimmed) | 99 farming (14th July 2011) | 99 prayer (8th September 2011) | 99 constitution (10th September 2011) | 99 dungeoneering (15th November 2011) 99 ranged (28th November 2011) | 99 attack, 99 defence, 99 strength (11th December 2011) | 99 slayer (18th December 2011) | 99 magic (22nd December 2011) | 99 construction (16th March 2012) 99 herblore (22nd March 2012) | 99 firemaking (26th March 2012) | 99 cooking (2nd July 2012) | 99 runecrafting (12th March 2012) | 99 crafting (26th August 2012) | 99 agility (19th November 2012) 99 woodcutting (22nd November 2012) | 99 fletching (31st December 2012) | 99 thieving (3rd January 2013) | 99 hunter (11th January 2013) | 99 mining (21st January 2013) | 99 fishing (21st January 2013) 99 smithing (21st January 2013) | 120 dungeoneering (17th June 2013) | 99 divination (24th November 2013) Tormented demon drops: twenty effigies, nine pairs of claws, two dragon armour slices and one elite clue | Dagannoth king drops: two dragon hatchets, two elite clues, one archer ring and one warrior ring Glacor drops: four pairs of ragefire boots, one pair of steadfast boots, six effigies, two hundred lots of Armadyl shards, three elite clues | Nex split: Torva boots | Kalphite King split: off-hand drygore mace 30/30 Shattered Heart statues completed | 16/16 Court Cases completed | 25/25 Choc Chimp Ices delivered | 500/500 Vyrewatch burned | 584/584 tasks completed | 4000/4000 chompies hunted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wkw Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Or, just melee them all and use blood blitz on dharok. Runescape player since 2005 Ego Sum Deus Quo Malum Caligo et Barathum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swagcake Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 is barrows even good money, i got a 2m verac helm drop once, but other than that all my drops are complete crap Go Chicago Bears! "Look, if you had one shot, or one opportunityTo seize everything you ever wanted-One momentWould you capture it or just let it slip?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quyneax Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Barrows is about 1m/hr averaged over many runs. @ wkw: that works of course, but why blood spells if you can ss flash. Also, blood spells is 2 spaces for staff + arcstream and 3 (4?) for runes. Supporter of Zaros | Quest Cape owner since 22 may 2010 | No skills below 99 | Total level 2595 | Completionist Cape owner since 17th June 2013 | Suggestions 99 summoning (18th June 2011, previously untrimmed) | 99 farming (14th July 2011) | 99 prayer (8th September 2011) | 99 constitution (10th September 2011) | 99 dungeoneering (15th November 2011) 99 ranged (28th November 2011) | 99 attack, 99 defence, 99 strength (11th December 2011) | 99 slayer (18th December 2011) | 99 magic (22nd December 2011) | 99 construction (16th March 2012) 99 herblore (22nd March 2012) | 99 firemaking (26th March 2012) | 99 cooking (2nd July 2012) | 99 runecrafting (12th March 2012) | 99 crafting (26th August 2012) | 99 agility (19th November 2012) 99 woodcutting (22nd November 2012) | 99 fletching (31st December 2012) | 99 thieving (3rd January 2013) | 99 hunter (11th January 2013) | 99 mining (21st January 2013) | 99 fishing (21st January 2013) 99 smithing (21st January 2013) | 120 dungeoneering (17th June 2013) | 99 divination (24th November 2013) Tormented demon drops: twenty effigies, nine pairs of claws, two dragon armour slices and one elite clue | Dagannoth king drops: two dragon hatchets, two elite clues, one archer ring and one warrior ring Glacor drops: four pairs of ragefire boots, one pair of steadfast boots, six effigies, two hundred lots of Armadyl shards, three elite clues | Nex split: Torva boots | Kalphite King split: off-hand drygore mace 30/30 Shattered Heart statues completed | 16/16 Court Cases completed | 25/25 Choc Chimp Ices delivered | 500/500 Vyrewatch burned | 584/584 tasks completed | 4000/4000 chompies hunted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedman Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Barrows is about 1m/hr averaged over many runs. @ wkw: that works of course, but why blood spells if you can ss flash. Also, blood spells is 2 spaces for staff + arcstream and 3 (4?) for runes.Did barrow prices crash that much? Used to be 2m 1-2 months ago. A Guide to Chinning in Ape atoll: up to 325kxp/h! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quyneax Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Hmm if it was 2m then I imagine it's 1.5m now. Supporter of Zaros | Quest Cape owner since 22 may 2010 | No skills below 99 | Total level 2595 | Completionist Cape owner since 17th June 2013 | Suggestions 99 summoning (18th June 2011, previously untrimmed) | 99 farming (14th July 2011) | 99 prayer (8th September 2011) | 99 constitution (10th September 2011) | 99 dungeoneering (15th November 2011) 99 ranged (28th November 2011) | 99 attack, 99 defence, 99 strength (11th December 2011) | 99 slayer (18th December 2011) | 99 magic (22nd December 2011) | 99 construction (16th March 2012) 99 herblore (22nd March 2012) | 99 firemaking (26th March 2012) | 99 cooking (2nd July 2012) | 99 runecrafting (12th March 2012) | 99 crafting (26th August 2012) | 99 agility (19th November 2012) 99 woodcutting (22nd November 2012) | 99 fletching (31st December 2012) | 99 thieving (3rd January 2013) | 99 hunter (11th January 2013) | 99 mining (21st January 2013) | 99 fishing (21st January 2013) 99 smithing (21st January 2013) | 120 dungeoneering (17th June 2013) | 99 divination (24th November 2013) Tormented demon drops: twenty effigies, nine pairs of claws, two dragon armour slices and one elite clue | Dagannoth king drops: two dragon hatchets, two elite clues, one archer ring and one warrior ring Glacor drops: four pairs of ragefire boots, one pair of steadfast boots, six effigies, two hundred lots of Armadyl shards, three elite clues | Nex split: Torva boots | Kalphite King split: off-hand drygore mace 30/30 Shattered Heart statues completed | 16/16 Court Cases completed | 25/25 Choc Chimp Ices delivered | 500/500 Vyrewatch burned | 584/584 tasks completed | 4000/4000 chompies hunted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obtaurian Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Personally, I opt for accuracy over strength when using void + rapier. Empirically, my accuracy isn't nearly high enough to justify sacrificing it for strength, but I don't have data to prove it. I use an almost identical setup to Bedman's old mini-guide. To put it bluntly, [bleep] off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wkw Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Well, in max gear, bandos or barrows, you have a very low negative magic bonus.. I don't think the +5 or so that a staff will give will make you hit that much more. I'd just use blood blitz with a melee weapon. Runescape player since 2005 Ego Sum Deus Quo Malum Caligo et Barathum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quyneax Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 It's the 15% damage and 15% chance to save all runes that I really mean. Also, in void, I have 19 magic attack and that'd go up by 21 and 30% damage with just two switches. Without the switches you don't have enough dps that it's worth it, with them you take even more space. Overall, just ss flash. Supporter of Zaros | Quest Cape owner since 22 may 2010 | No skills below 99 | Total level 2595 | Completionist Cape owner since 17th June 2013 | Suggestions 99 summoning (18th June 2011, previously untrimmed) | 99 farming (14th July 2011) | 99 prayer (8th September 2011) | 99 constitution (10th September 2011) | 99 dungeoneering (15th November 2011) 99 ranged (28th November 2011) | 99 attack, 99 defence, 99 strength (11th December 2011) | 99 slayer (18th December 2011) | 99 magic (22nd December 2011) | 99 construction (16th March 2012) 99 herblore (22nd March 2012) | 99 firemaking (26th March 2012) | 99 cooking (2nd July 2012) | 99 runecrafting (12th March 2012) | 99 crafting (26th August 2012) | 99 agility (19th November 2012) 99 woodcutting (22nd November 2012) | 99 fletching (31st December 2012) | 99 thieving (3rd January 2013) | 99 hunter (11th January 2013) | 99 mining (21st January 2013) | 99 fishing (21st January 2013) 99 smithing (21st January 2013) | 120 dungeoneering (17th June 2013) | 99 divination (24th November 2013) Tormented demon drops: twenty effigies, nine pairs of claws, two dragon armour slices and one elite clue | Dagannoth king drops: two dragon hatchets, two elite clues, one archer ring and one warrior ring Glacor drops: four pairs of ragefire boots, one pair of steadfast boots, six effigies, two hundred lots of Armadyl shards, three elite clues | Nex split: Torva boots | Kalphite King split: off-hand drygore mace 30/30 Shattered Heart statues completed | 16/16 Court Cases completed | 25/25 Choc Chimp Ices delivered | 500/500 Vyrewatch burned | 584/584 tasks completed | 4000/4000 chompies hunted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaspershu Posted February 18, 2011 Author Share Posted February 18, 2011 Barrows is not that grea money if you can access tds/ dks/ frost/ revs revs is good money now.. 23 javs is like 13m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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