Space

[Nexaduro]

Ok, I think this calls for a modification of debts.

 

Lesse...

 

Faust: EC: 43,000 Debt: 0

Chi: EC: ? Debt: 0

Earth: EC: ? Debt: 500,000

Jen: EC: ? Debt: 14,000,000

 

I'd say Earth will have his debt paid off from ship work after next session. Jen, on the other hand, will have all her research projects made public, be suspended from all unessential privileges, and have any and all personal possessions confiscated.

 

AI, could you estimate the value of Jen's contributions from now on?

 

Also, I'm determined to prove my value as an officer. I'll make this work, somehow.

 

Oh, and I'm not dead am I AI? If I am I'd like Jeremiah to use that 30kEC I paid to the ship to revive all of us.

 

And what can I get for 1,000 merits?

[Retech]

I thought it was clear that I wasn't playing anymore.

 

Also considering that half the reason I did my very best to destroy the Kirby was to make sure that Faust wouldn't get anything from it, then even if I were still playing, I would do my best to thwart Faust's collection of debts. (Not researching anything, not performing missions for reward, etc)

[archimage_a]

Faust, you are presently alive.

 

Unfortunately Jen is already dead, so cannot be charged.

[Nexaduro]

*Sigh*

 

Jen, why do you have to ruin games when you decide that you're a bit agitated? That's

 

Anyways, if you do join again, I suppose there couldn't be any reasonable debt.

 

Meh, to hell with it. Earth doesn't deserve debt for that either. But seriously...

[Retech]

Usually when people steal my work, I get agitated and try to destroy it.

 

 

That is why I only asked to destroy the Kirby, and not affect the Unity at all. I'm trying to discourage people from taking my stuff, because I thought they would learn from precedent that I try to destroy stuff when that happens, but apparantly they have not learned yet...

[Seraphi]

Way to ragequit because things didn't go the way you wanted I suppose? That's a terrible mindset to have in a dungeoneering game, because the game NEVER goes how you plan it. My advice on this subject can pretty much be condensed into the phrase:

 

"Stuff happened, just deal with it and move on."

 

If you were still playing, it's not like I would hold a grudge, because that would be metagaming as well. So yeah.

[archimage_a]

That is why I only asked to destroy the Kirby, and not affect the Unity at all. I'm trying to discourage people from taking my stuff, because I thought they would learn from precedent that I try to destroy stuff when that happens, but apparantly they have not learned yet...

 

Like metal detectors at airports...it stops the amatures but anyone who really wants to do will still find a way.

[Retech]

The thing is that Space turned out to be completely different from a Dungeoneering game. (Not that it's like bad, but it's different).

 

 

 

In Dungeoneering, everything basically boiled down to skills and items. Boom magic and magical items essentially. The thing was that you died and lost a few skills, but it didn't really matter much at all.

 

In Space, everyone has an obligation to everyone else from the beginning, since we're all one crew. (And you can't exactly go loner because there's more or less one or two ships) Then I get pissed because I feel that some people aren't putting in an even share of the work, and then they are claiming everything belongs to the crew. Long story short, I'm a super-capitalist and doesn't like being forced to help others, unless I want to do it myself, but that's how it turned out.

 

So I figured, the Kirby was going to be my goal in the game. Basically, have a cool ship that would go around and support the Unity. In the end, it was commandeered into a fleet ship with 100kt or so resources, and that was basically it for me. Also, it's not like you respawn with your ship when you die, so it doesn't quite work that way. Imagine it as someone stealing all of your skills in a day.

 

 

No big deal though. I would just feel restricted if I kept playing, and it wouldn't like Dungeoneering, which is still my favorite game by far. I just invested too much in the Kirby, which looking back seemed like a pretty stupid idea. Maybe I should've just accumalated a huge bank account and kept secret research or something.

[The_Mather1]

Practically speaking, would micro-cold fusion generators require fuel tanks of notable size and weight if they were expected to work no more than 6 hours before refueling?

 

Not especially.

Great, I'll remove the fuel tank from the layout then, means I'm saving quite possibly a lot of weight and making the suit a bit less bulky, quite possibly saving on spead, stabillity and mobillity too.

 

Also, may you please tell me how a few of the components on my suit look? Not like the interface (which I intended to design as a sort of HUD) and the pneumatic joints (which are just tubing, pipes and hinges) but like the hellbores, shields, generators and beam. It is not too important, but if you find the time to tell me then I could attempts some modifications or at least know how I shouldn't use the suit.

 

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[Seraphi]

The reason you were put into the third officer position is because I saw you doing more work... So that point is pretty null.

 

And yeah, you lost your ship. In a dungeoneering styled game. Where life goes from good to apocalyptically bad in a matter of seconds.

 

My point still stands. "Deal with it, move on". This game isn't about winning, so stop putting yourself in the mindset that it is. It's more like a D&D based game in that teamwork is required to overcome the challenges that the GM sets out for you. If you go into it thinking that you have to be better than everyone else and be totally efficient at all times, you're just diminishing the amount of fun you and everyone else will be able to have. It's a horrible mindset to play an RPG with.

[archimage_a]

Indeed.

Super-Capitalists tend to know that when you lose something it is an incentive to work harder to steal it back...not to jump out the top window.

 

Actually that is a bad example, America's breed of Super Capitalists tend to be the type to throw themselves out of windows every time they make a bad sale....Which goes some way to explaining why Americans don't believe in Natural selection.

[Retech]

It stopped being completely an RPG when the metagaming started. Losing your ship because it was blown up or something (acceptable) is totally different from losing your ship for outside reasons (not wanting to ruin game mechanics).

 

I'm sure that you realize that if I was playing completely in character, I would've run or fought (not acceding to their demands), but my consideration of not ruining game mechanics and the knowledge that I could make a new character (which is also metagaming) made me do what I did.

 

I've learned a valuable lesson. Act completely in character no matter what, because you will have a valid defence when you screw over diplomatic relations, wake up a dangerous monster, or whatever other consequence that could result.

[Seraphi]

So you're going to be playing again?

[Retech]

Uhh, I might, but I'll have to figure out what I'll want to do first. Usually I have goals in games, and I sorta lost mine, so I'll have to figure out something new.

 

Still hoping for a reincarnation of the original Dungeoneering, because then I could play the ice witch completely in character, wtihout randomly destroying stuff that other people need.

[Earth]

Retech, NErd rage is not an asset, unless you somehow manage to make the entire enemy army comit suicide from annoyance overload. Listen, i can give you one of my mini ships, which you can upgrade to make it better than the old Saber. I think using them for the purpose of furnishing our own, unique ships would be a better idea than jsut saying "[bleep] this i lost my ship which i payed millions for!". This way, you can always have some backup way to make the ship again, especially scince it's default is with a mining lazer, refinery, and a cargobay.

[archimage_a]

I've learned a valuable lesson. Act completely in character no matter what, because you will have a valid defence when you screw over diplomatic relations, wake up a dangerous monster, or whatever other consequence that could result.

 

The golden rule of roleplay...Be your character.

 

If there is a big red button, that you know blows up the room, but your character doesn't, then you have to decide whether to press the button or not based on what your character would do.

Ultimately you can metagame, but you shouldn't...even if it does lead to bad consequences.

[Retech]

No thanks Earth. :)

 

The idea will probaly come to me eventually.

[Seraphi]

I'm not entirely sure why Earth is suddenly offering ships to people without asking me, and you wouldn't really want a mining ship anyway. They can't do much.

[Nexaduro]

Earth, those ships are much less practical than Drake's, and more expensive as well. That aside, we essentially have more mining ships than we need.

 

And Jen, your ship did get blown up. We had the option to pay a lot to fix it, or salvage it for a fortune. Theros decided that he didn't want to take it from you completely, since you had a new character and might reclaim it (you should've put in protocols for the Kirby, like I did the Unity, that gave you access somehow, even with a new character, without metagaming). That aside, it would've been perfectly in character for you to have anthrax-bombed whoever was coming to arrest you.

 

I think we can say all is forgiven, and I would appreciate it if Jen would share all her research, and not constantly sell it, but it's in her nature I suppose so no major worries.

 

And Jen, you need to look through the logs, the ficus tree story is hilarious.

[Retech]

Well the AI for the Kirby was the same as the Unity, so I wasn't sure if I could actually do that. Also, my new character wouldn't have known there were secret protocols. :)

 

The Kirby only suffered 130kt of damage, while it had at least a thousand kt of investment in it. Actually the thing I was most mad about was when Theros renamed it the Saber. I think the Kirby was worth more than the Unity (not completely sure, because the Unity had a better hull) :thumbup:

 

Four ion cannons + Fixtures = 400 kt

Destroyer Hull = 950 kt

Refinery = 300kt

Sensors = 200 kt

Life support/bridge/crew quarters = 500 kt

Cargo bay and medical bay = 200 kt

Stealth armoring = 100kt?

 

So salvaging it would've been a big waste of resources.

[The_Mather1]

Uhh, I might, but I'll have to figure out what I'll want to do first. Usually I have goals in games, and I sorta lost mine, so I'll have to figure out something new.

If you came back as a Scandinavian woman... (inapropriate message left out for the reason of being disturbing and possibly psychologically scaring)

You could try working as your character instead of on it, care equally much for what you accomplish and learn as what you experience, play more for the role than for power and work for saving lives and personal relationships.

 

And Earth, any chance I could buy one such ship of you for something? I am stripped of cash but I've got a lot of tech and a good way to harvest materials.

[Earth]

Guys, the mini ships can be built into a diferent ship. the basic design allows you to mine the recources to do jsut that. When i can, i'll research more hull upgrades so we can build more bays. That way, ships can have as many bays as the Unity started with.

[The_Mather1]

I got that and I want one, say what I gotta do to get one and I'll do it.

[Seraphi]

More mining ships than you need, maybe, but the 2120kT of resources I need to gather isn't going to come from nowhere.

 

Also, Earth's mini ships require something like 120kT of resources, and if it's just going to be used for mining, we'd be better off using the design of the industrial mining ships instead. Earth's ship is more like a heavy fighter or hauler type affair.

[Earth]

It can be upgraded, remember. That way, each person can design a ship to help the fleet, and i'll only build one with your permission.