Animal is Skinned Alive!

[treebear_ii_gladz]

anyone who claims they have compassion for life and is not vegan is an idiot. beign vegan(not eating or using anything from animals) is the only way to not support that kind of stuff. that stuff happens all the time. like KFC boils there chickens alive to save time. most time they are killed then boiled to sterilize them. they jsut save a step. if you care bout animals you should go vegan! :)

[logic-is-overrated]

beign vegan(not eating or using anything from animals) is the only way to not support that kind of stuff.

To function in normal society you have to use some form of animal product in some way.

[hazardmaster]

That's wrong. That's really just wrong. They could at least kill it before its skinned. How would the skinners feel if they got skinned...alive! Terrible :cry:

[rotundra87]

 

beign vegan(not eating or using anything from animals) is the only way to not support that kind of stuff.

To function in normal society you have to use some form of animal product in some way.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

same goes for being functional as a human being in general. There are reasons we are omnivores :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway, yes its brutal, yes its grusome, and yes it happens. As do a lot of other nasty things in this world. To be honest, I couldn't do that to an animal, and have a hard time watchign it, but there are much more pressing issues in the world to deal with than some animal being skinned.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To respond to some of the other things brought up in this thread:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is interesting that we empathize with fuzzy animals more than say, a snake. Personally, I think that its onyl because its so much easier to see it as a pet or something familiar. Since many people hate snakes, they wouldn't be too concerned about seeing one in distress.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

from hohto

 

 

 

And to be honest, I couldn't care less about people suffering from AIDS or hunger at Africa. That's what overpopulation gets you, it's just a good thing that we get rid of "few" people.

 

 

 

I'm sorry but this attitude is far more disturbing than the live skinning. Most of the people there are competely blameless. Its not them that are overpopulated (although you could make the arguement that the starving ones are just by nature of the environment). Many kids are born with AIDs and I'm pretty sure they had no say in the matter. And still more of them are being pushed out of homelands because of terrible civil war or political strife. By an easy accident of birth you could have been in that situation..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Finally, to the man(woman?) talking patching up a deer hide after its been shot: I'd like to see you chase down a live deer and stun it with your bear hands :lol:

[assassin_696]

And to be honest, I couldn't care less about people suffering from AIDS or hunger at Africa. That's what overpopulation gets you, it's just a good thing that we get rid of "few" people. I wrote a bit bigger essay of it at some thread, but can't find it atm.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's very easy to say for you from the comfort of your chair sat at the computer. I'd like to see you go there, see the conditions they are living in and see the remarkable spirit that they possess despite the worst adversity and say that it's their fault. You talk about people as if they're excess rubbish that needs to be disposed of. You obviously can't appreciate that they have families can love and lose just like any other human being on the planet. I don't know how you've been told to think but i'd be ashamed of that kind of attitude.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Back on topic, live skinning = bad

 

 

 

skinning where the animal is already dead = acceptable

[Tenz0900]

What's stopping us from skinning alive the people that did this?

 

 

 

I love you.

[hohto]

That's very easy to say for you from the comfort of your chair sat at the computer. I'd like to see you go there, see the conditions they are living in and see the remarkable spirit that they possess despite the worst adversity and say that it's their fault. You talk about people as if they're excess rubbish that needs to be disposed of. You obviously can't appreciate that they have families can love and lose just like any other human being on the planet. I don't know how you've been told to think but i'd be ashamed of that kind of attitude.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I give respect to them because they keep trying and it's easy for me to say from here. That still doesn't change the fact that there's far too much people living there. Personally I'm not ashamed of my thoughts, at least not more than you are of your thoughts. I base my opinions on facts when you base your opinions on emotions. I don't want to go too much off topic now, so I'll leave here. If you want to read more about my opinions, check out this thread

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I haven't maybe they just aren't there? Maybe they are there, but on other fora. I don't think you should see this as a protest specifically against this animal, but more as animal skinning in a whole. And I think there is a difference between the bugs we poisen for 'healthier' food (not pers̮̩̉̉ healthier, we eat biological food at home) and an animal brutally skinned because a rich woman/man wants to show off to her friends at a party.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My point was that people only seem to care when there are these cute animals being skinned. Most of these "nature helpers" only help the part that seems to attract them. If I posted a pic of a headless (well, if you can call it a head) snake, you'd probably be like "eew what an ugly snake" and not think of the thing that the killing of it was basically the same as killing a puppy. Different animal but same thing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, that example was a rather bad. I accept killing for food (that's how nature goes, animals kill each other for food) and that fur has nothing to do with it, it's actually pretty useless.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm sorry but this attitude is far more disturbing than the live skinning. Most of the people there are competely blameless. Its not them that are overpopulated (although you could make the arguement that the starving ones are just by nature of the environment). Many kids are born with AIDs and I'm pretty sure they had no say in the matter. And still more of them are being pushed out of homelands because of terrible civil war or political strife. By an easy accident of birth you could have been in that situation..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I could say the same words to you as I said to Assassin. Ok, those little Africans couldn't decide where to born, but they still cause overpopulation. You have 2 possibilities: either let the chaos spread more and cause a lot more suffer for decades/centuries or do something. It's either 1 billion suffering Africans now or 10 billion in future. Which one is better? Do you really care about those people if you let a generation after generation suffer just because it makes you feel good to send them a dollar or 2?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If I believed in God, I'd know thank him/her/it for AIDS. It sure has killed a lot of people, but without it even more people would have been died cause of lack of food, water or medicines. I'd advice you to read that thread I already told Assassin to read.

[Death_By_Pod]

I like how people complain about animals that get skinned alive but no one cares about the people who work under poor conditions to make your Nike shoes in places such as China. It goes to show how some people have more compassion over a furry creature then a fellow human being.

[Guest]

well lah dee dah you hippy

[treebear_ii_gladz]

for anyone saying i cant function using animals. try to call me out ill prove you wrong.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i dont wear leather. not even suade on my shoes. i dont eat anything comign from animals, or buy it

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

this includeds things as obscure as gelatin, glycerin in deodorant/soap, lecethin, mono glycerides, whey, casein, egg albumin, its really easy not to buy that stuff.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

for anyone who claims that ill end up malnourished that isnt true either.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

calcium isnt needed as much as youd think. i get it in smaller doses from various foods instead of gettign alot form dairy, the leadign cause of osteoprosis is over protein diets, and not lack of calcium!

 

 

 

so all the atkins peopel are gunna have weak bones when they get old.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i know everyone will mention protein. protein can only be listed in nutritional facts if it is a complete protein ( all the amino acids) when you eat a variety of foods you get parial proteins. by the end of the day if youve eaten vegatables and stuff youl make complete proteins, and if you eat soy, products with yeast, or flax oil, they are complete protiens.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

what about iron-- the greener the vegetable the more iron it has. good thing i love broccoli and salads you can also get it from breads and grains.

[logic-is-overrated]

(not eating or using anything from animals)

This is how you defined being vegan.

 

 

 

You will now explain to me how you function without anything made of steel, rubber, vinyl, or plastic, which, incase you didn't know contain animal fat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

anyone who claims they have compassion for life and is not vegan is an idiot.

You can claim that minimizing the usage of products that have some form of animal in them makes you self-righteous if you want. But if being vegan means you use nothing from animals in anyway, like you say, then I submit it is at the least, very very difficult if not impossible to be vegan in an industrial society.

[How2PK]

anyone who claims they have compassion for life and is not vegan is an idiot.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why would you say that? I think being a vegitarian goes more against nature than eating meat and use animal products for example shoes and clothing. The possibility to be a vegitarian is just a luxury.

[Bubsa]

anyone who claims they have compassion for life and is not vegan is an idiot.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's ridiculous. Do you expect everyone who's against the death penalty not to be cannibals as well?

 

 

 

Weirdo.

[Zippi08]

I like how people complain about animals that get skinned alive but no one cares about the people who work under poor conditions to make your Nike shoes in places such as China. It goes to show how some people have more compassion over a furry creature then a fellow human being.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And why is it wrong to have more compassion over a furry animal than a fellow human being? Let's say you have a good friend who has a dog that he/she really loves. If his/her dog died tomorrow, would you care? Yeah. If I died tomorrow, would you care? I doubt it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not saying we should all care about furry creatures and forget people. But it's not like you have to show more compassion to one thing than another. There are so many different issues in the world that is wrong and that is needed to be taken care of, for instance animal cruelty, AIDs in Africa, skinning animals and starvation etc., the world should try to solve these at the same time, not oh I have to save my fellow human being, who cares about animals.

[Futurama]

Overhyped i reakon. It's not like skinning animals is a new thing, and its not like we dont kill animals for all other parts to make clothes and stuff.

 

 

 

Could just slit their throats before they skin them. Problem solved if you think about it, though people would probably still moan about fur.

[Sepiroth23]

Since the video was removed (good choice) im not sure if its the one i have seen which was posted on some different forums (have to admit they have a more mature audience) which was 16min long. If it is the same video then it is absolutely appaling some of the stuff that is done to those animals, the badger bit at the start is bad enough but it gets much worse, i couldn't watch the whole thing and ended up just skipping most of it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

However there have been some interesting debates on the morality of it, mainly based on whether it is due to their upbringing and the fact that it is simply the way they were raised (or perhaps our upbringing) that it doesnt seem wrong or even the financial cost of giving each animal a lethal injection.

[monkey_933]

This sounds weird to ask, but can you pm the link of the vid to me? I'm not into that kinda stuff, I would just like to see it, seem's interesting. Although that is very cruel..