DKs tribrid w/ Cannon

[SirIzenhime]

Ok, so I got a dagannoth task, and I wanted to go to DKs for it.

Now I've been to DKS plenty already, solo and in teams, but I've never used a cannon there

 

Is this thread still a good guide to use?

http://forum.tip.it/topic/262381-25-bridding-85-kills-an-hour-with-cannon/

 

Is there anything that should be changed for a more enjoyable experience?

As far as I can tell, the idea is to set the cannon just slightly off primes spawn so it rotates and kills him quickly when he spawns, killing rex and supreme as normal.

Here's my inventory

 

 

I plan on using ice barrage, so safe spotting rex won't be an issue. How many casts should I take for a trip?

The empty spots are cannon and cannonballs (I don't have one yet)

My familiar (yak) will have brews and restores, going 3 restore -> 3 brews -> 3 restore, etc.

 

Is there anything to change? Any advice on a method that's safe while still efficient?

According to the guide, I reload and rotate my cannon after I kill rex, is this still correct?

 

Random final issue, cannon decay? I've never used a cannon...so...how long does it take to decay, do you get a notice before it does? Do you simply pick it up and replant to prevent this?

[Logdotzip]

I don't imagine you would need more than 500 casts of Ice Barrage, depends on world pop of course.

 

IIRC cannon decays after around 25 minutes. Just replace it to restart the decay process. I would bring something along the lines of 3 Brew, 2 Rest, 3 Brew, 3 Rest, repeating. If you don't plan on safespotting, but freezing, there is still opportunity for error, and it leaves you vulnerable to Supreme as well, if you're more towards the middle of the room. If you're planning on running out of Supremes range, then you would probably be safespotting Rex to begin with.

 

If you've got your cannon going, I imagine broad bolts would be fine, and save you a fair bit of cash. If money isn't a concern, I would be using diamonds as it were.

 

 

Elsewise I would cut out a brew and bring an additional overload.

 

Looks fine after that.

 

 

OH AND, I HIGHLY suggest using an EE / Elite EE. It helps time when you should redose with your overload, and it can save you some food. Nothing worse than brewing to 1150 and then noticing your overload JUST wore off.

[xpx]

Don't bring any rage gear/range weapons. Don't bring anything you don't want to risk- if you haven't done it before, there is a huge likelyhood you are going to die. Cannon tribrid is one of the most dangerous MH techniques, up there with solo corp(mostly because you'll have two DK's after you most of the time, if not 3).

[SirIzenhime]

wouldn't sgs have a similar effect as EE, while also restoring prayer + doing damage?

[TheAncient]

yeah, arma fury dfs cstaff risk does NOT sound good at all... i only risk chaotic cbow and i'm pretty experienced

 

i would use ob shield SOL and black dhide instead.

[Logdotzip]

The Prayer restore is negligible / unreliable, it also slows you down with whip hits, which will be better for damage. EE spec helps time OVLS, for the reason mentioned above. It also means you risk less if you don't use SGS. If I had SGS, I would still take EE over it.

[SirIzenhime]

yeah, arma fury dfs cstaff risk does NOT sound good at all... i only risk chaotic cbow and i'm pretty experienced

 

i would use ob shield SOL and black dhide instead.

 

Any advice on what to do while I'm actually there...or is the guide still good to use.

[TheAncient]

yeah that guide is fine. there are a lot of small variations you can do too, such as 100% supreme/rex and running upstairs after supreme to get prime off you so you can ss rex; pure tribriding all 3 (ccbow is highly recommended for this); supreme-rex-prime-til-redbarred-rex-prime(KO)-supreme.

 

you can also put the cannon under supreme. cannon works a lot better on supreme than prime because prime has huge defense. you get less kills per hour but it's safer, and still more kills/hr than normal 2.5/trib

 

a lot of the nuances come down to your own playstyle. are you looking for high profit, short trips, and lots of clicking, or lower profit, longer trips, and less clicking?

[Quyneax]

A tiny note: maybe get diamond (i) or dstone (i) (100 and 200 MA rank respectively)?

[SirIzenhime]

Ok, so if I were to use a chaotic, it should be crossbow.

I should downgrade to EEE for convenience as well as less risk.

I want to try getting more kills/hr, so cannon under prime.

How do I start out?

 

Do I go in, kill supreme while pray magic, freeze rex, setup my cannon, kill rex, then fire my cannon, kill prime, then supreme when he spawns, and repeat from there? Is a round of 30 cannonballs enough for a prime kill, will the cannon be out before rex spawns again?

Doing this, would I be able to open opportunities to SS on Rex and supreme?

If I wanted to do that, is there any sort of world population I should look for?

Should the pace stay the same throughout the trip, or should I expect some kills to start overlapping?

 

Edit: I know MA rings would help...but I hate that mini-game...so the motivation does not exist.

 

edit2: Actually...about how long would it take to get d stone(i) doing it the fastest way?

[TheAncient]

Ok, so if I were to use a chaotic, it should be crossbow.

I should downgrade to EEE for convenience as well as less risk.

I want to try getting more kills/hr, so cannon under prime.

How do I start out?

 

Do I go in, kill supreme while pray magic, freeze rex, setup my cannon, kill rex, then fire my cannon, kill prime, then supreme when he spawns, and repeat from there? Is a round of 30 cannonballs enough for a prime kill, will the cannon be out before rex spawns again?

Doing this, would I be able to open opportunities to SS on Rex and supreme?

If I wanted to do that, is there any sort of world population I should look for?

Should the pace stay the same throughout the trip, or should I expect some kills to start overlapping?

 

on chaotics: i bring rapier and crossbow; rapier is more important than crossbow but my rapier is protected with the method i use. (i keep bandos top/bot, fury, rapier)

 

your killrate should be steady. if i were to do cannon under prime, i would expect to just alternate between sup/prime on magepray and rex w/ SS

[SirIzenhime]

What inventory/gear do you use?

[TheAncient]

What inventory/gear do you use?

 

 

i usually just normal 2.5 brid, get about 60 kills an hour, usually last all of my ovls

 

currently don't have arcane (i normally would also have it in inventory)

i used to use arcane, now i'm gonna test using a mage book instead (arcane protects over everything).

[xpx]

With cannon you won't need either range armor or weapon as cannon kills prime in the same time you are busy with the other two. On task, 85-95 kph is easily possible.

[TheAncient]

With cannon you won't need either range armor or weapon as cannon kills prime in the same time you are busy with the other two. On task, 85-95 kph is easily possible.

 

i always thought wearing range gear increases cannon accuracy; if so, i would definitely bring range gear

[SirIzenhime]

With cannon you won't need either range armor or weapon as cannon kills prime in the same time you are busy with the other two. On task, 85-95 kph is easily possible.

 

Well, I plan on taking a low populated world for my first trip cannoning, so wouldn't I still have time to take shots of my own at prime?

Also, like ancient mentioned, doesn't range gear increase cannon accuracy?

[xpx]

There shouldn't be too many occasions of when you are not killing either rex or supreme so the range armor/gear will be near useless. Cannon does TONS more damage than your range weapon anyway.

 

Also, not, it's not range gear which increases your accuracy, it's equipment attack bonus(of your highest class), so by that logic, bring a chaotic maul(and the problem with that logic is that it increases accuracy, but the increase isn't noticeable).

[TheAncient]

There shouldn't be too many occasions of when you are not killing either rex or supreme so the range armor/gear will be near useless. Cannon does TONS more damage than your range weapon anyway.

 

Also, not, it's not range gear which increases your accuracy, it's equipment attack bonus(of your highest class), so by that logic, bring a chaotic maul(and the problem with that logic is that it increases accuracy, but the increase isn't noticeable).

 

citation needed :P

 

if cannon is only affected by range bonus, the point of bringing range gear is to use it while maging rex, not actually shooting prime.

[xpx]

 

citation needed :P

 

if cannon is only affected by range bonus, the point of bringing range gear is to use it while maging rex, not actually shooting prime.

It is a thing mentioned in zarfots slayer guide. There is no absolute proof of it and nor do i think there can ever be, but it does seem to hold true for alot of instances(explains why cls is better than rapier for crawlers, cannon effectiveness doesn't increase between ranging and meleeing frosties etc).

 

Also, cannon is very accurate on both prime and supreme. Very inaccurate on rex, though.

[SirIzenhime]

Would a low populated world make any difference in the ranging issue at all?

 

I also still don't know how many casts/cannonballs I should take, or if I should expect to reload my cannon during a prime or if the 30 load will be enough.

[xpx]

Would a low populated world make any difference in the ranging issue at all?

 

I also still don't know how many casts/cannonballs I should take, or if I should expect to reload my cannon during a prime or if the 30 load will be enough.

You really shouldn't need to use a crossbow. You'll be tons more efficient if you let cannon do it's work and you work on rex and supreme. a low pop world is always suggested for tribrid, starting at 600 and going up to 1200(at pro levels, 100+ kph).

 

You'll need alot of cannonballs, always reload the cannon while prime/supreme is alive and have it empty while rex is alive. around 2.5k an hour is a good estimate. You won't be needing too many casts, around 600 an hour will be more than fine.

[SirIzenhime]

when I say low...i'm talking 500- if I can find it. I want to minimize the chance of death on my first cannon trip

[TheAncient]

when I say low...i'm talking 500- if I can find it. I want to minimize the chance of death on my first cannon trip

 

your killrates and kill orders will be VERY messed up because your spawns won't be timed well. i would do at least 800 pop world... otherwise you'll get a very distorted sense of the pace of cannoning