Suggestions on training certain skills

[Flupherkins]

So I'm not the kind of player that has millions to dump into skills (yet...) and I've come to understand that some skills just come down to that money. (I'm thinking construction as a great example)

 

Anyway, I can mostly see how one trains many of the skills out there. What puzzles me a little is crafting and smithing. I feel like there's one method or another that's best to go with, but I just don't see it yet. Unless perhaps they are also skills that take a decent amount of money to speed up the process.

 

Any thoughts?

[Sy_Accursed]

Smithing: smelt gold with gold smith gauntlets OR make the best plate bodys you can with SC hammers.

 

Crafting: if ur smelting gold make gold amulets and string them, it is essentiall free craft xp and turns gold smelting into something tht about breaks even. Or do d-hide with sc needles

[Flupherkins]

Smithing: smelt gold with gold smith gauntlets OR make the best plate bodys you can with SC hammers.

 

Crafting: if ur smelting gold make gold amulets and string them, it is essentiall free craft xp and turns gold smelting into something tht about breaks even. Or do d-hide with sc needles

 

Pretty much follow you. Buy gold ore and wool balls, end up with gold amulets.. then what exactly? GE, general store, hi-alch?

[Vex]

When looking at buyable skills, i feel it's important to look at 3 things.

 

Time

Cost

Activity

 

Time is how much Xp is earnt in an hour doing said method.

Cost is how much GP is spent to obtain 1 experience by using said method.

Activity is how many Clicks is required by said method.

 

There is a 4th option, being efficiency - which assumes the old saying, time is money. Which is essentially Time VS Cost VS Income.

 

So to take smelting gold as an example.

 

Time: Xp/hr is 70k or so - this is quite low for smithing

Cost: Around 3gp/xp - this is very cheap as a method of training smithing

Activity: Very low - you run to the furnace - click the furnace and smelt all - requires a few clicks once a minute.

 

Based on this information, you should use a spreadsheet or table to compare the various methods, most sheets do not take into account activity - that will just come from personal experience.

 

Look for grimy's spreadsheets in the Archive of Wisdom on this forum - If you aren't worried about efficieny just ignore the last few columns on each sheet and just look at the gp/xp and xp/hr figures.

[Sy_Accursed]

Smithing: smelt gold with gold smith gauntlets OR make the best plate bodys you can with SC hammers.

 

Crafting: if ur smelting gold make gold amulets and string them, it is essentiall free craft xp and turns gold smelting into something tht about breaks even. Or do d-hide with sc needles

 

Pretty much follow you. Buy gold ore and wool balls, end up with gold amulets.. then what exactly? GE, general store, hi-alch?

 

I'm sure gold ammys r a popular hi-alch but i dunno how much they alch for.

 

They sell via ge fairly easily thou for a decent price.

[Flupherkins]

Sounding really good:

 

1 gold ore -> 1 gold amulet (sell on ge)

 

Cost - 110 gp ea (entire process)

Xp - 56.2 smithing, 30 crafting

Total gp/xp - ~1.3

Smith gp/xp - 1.95

Craft gp/xp - 3.7

 

1m gp = 6 smithing lvls, 6 crafting lvls

[Vex]

I think an unstrung gold amulet sells well, due to people casting string amulet to gain magic xp.

 

Gold Ore -> Gold bar is -2.65 gp/xp

Gold Bar -> Unstrung Gold amulet is +1.30 gp/xp

 

Net gp/xp: - 1.30gp/xp

 

Or at max rates - you will lose 120k gp per hour.

 

Source

 

Crafting

Smithing

 

Take a look through those for alternatives (braclets for slightly less xp but greater profit for example)

[Nifflin]

Smithing: smelt gold with gold smith gauntlets OR make the best plate bodys you can with SC hammers.

 

Crafting: if ur smelting gold make gold amulets and string them, it is essentiall free craft xp and turns gold smelting into something tht about breaks even. Or do d-hide with sc needles

 

Pretty much follow you. Buy gold ore and wool balls, end up with gold amulets.. then what exactly? GE, general store, hi-alch?

 

I'm sure gold ammys r a popular hi-alch but i dunno how much they alch for.

 

They sell via ge fairly easily thou for a decent price.

 

I'm sure you're wrong. People would never high alch gold ammys. This is because they are too valuable in using for the string jewelery lunar spell. Stringing them actually loses money so I highly suggest you do not string them by hand.

 

The best way to train smithing quickly and cheaply is to superheat gold while smelting it. You should wield a fire staff, goldsmith gauntlets and whatever else you want. Do it in edgeville. Use a magpie familiar to recoup some of the money lost. While you are smelting gold you can superheat one gold for every gold smelted without interrupting the smelting. It pretty much doubles your experience and gives you magic experience at a faster, cheaper rate then alching.

 

It is not worth it to make the gold bars into amulets, just sell the on the GE and cut your losses. The magpies will pay for the nature runes used and part of the loss on the gold.

 

Then for crafting do green dragonhide with sacred clay needles. I don't know about this, I don't really train crafting too much.

 

Edit: If you must, at least don't string the amulets, sell them unstrung. Really, I'm pretty sure you lose money through stringing in them because people need unstrung amulets to do training with the lunar spellbook.

[Sy_Accursed]

I know people use ammys for string jewellery; but im fairly sure ppl alch the strung ones hence they sell well.

But yeah given info on price would seem selling unstrung is better.

[Nifflin]

I know people use ammys for string jewellery; but im fairly sure ppl alch the strung ones hence they sell well.

But yeah given info on price would seem selling unstrung is better.

 

Nobody high alchs them. Just because they sell in the GE doesn't mean people alch them. In fact, they are reselling them to this guy for a profit when they buy from the GE. Honestly, only an idiot would alch gold amulets.

 

Don't say you're sure of something unless you really are. This is after all a Help and Advice forum and people are taking your opinions as facts. If you don't know that they are facts then what you're saying could be hurting someone else.

[Sy_Accursed]

I know people use ammys for string jewellery; but im fairly sure ppl alch the strung ones hence they sell well.

But yeah given info on price would seem selling unstrung is better.

 

Nobody high alchs them. Just because they sell in the GE doesn't mean people alch them. In fact, they are reselling them to this guy for a profit when they buy from the GE. Honestly, only an idiot would alch gold amulets.

 

Don't say you're sure of something unless you really are. This is after all a Help and Advice forum and people are taking your opinions as facts. If you don't know that they are facts then what you're saying could be hurting someone else.

 

Actually that rogue got nerfed a while back and now gives GE low price for the items, so they are no reselling them unless they are idiots.

Don;t state something as a fact unless your sure of it your just confusing people.

 

People do buy items such as strung gold ammys that have a massive supply and are cheaper as something to alch enmass to train mage; that is why they still sell.

[Nifflin]

I know people use ammys for string jewellery; but im fairly sure ppl alch the strung ones hence they sell well.

But yeah given info on price would seem selling unstrung is better.

 

Nobody high alchs them. Just because they sell in the GE doesn't mean people alch them. In fact, they are reselling them to this guy for a profit when they buy from the GE. Honestly, only an idiot would alch gold amulets.

 

Don't say you're sure of something unless you really are. This is after all a Help and Advice forum and people are taking your opinions as facts. If you don't know that they are facts then what you're saying could be hurting someone else.

 

Actually that rogue got nerfed a while back and now gives GE low price for the items, so they are no reselling them unless they are idiots.

Don;t state something as a fact unless your sure of it your just confusing people.

 

People do buy items such as strung gold ammys that have a massive supply and are cheaper as something to alch enmass to train mage; that is why they still sell.

 

The rouge used to give GE min which people were manipulating by buying out jewlery and it never crashing due to them never actually needing to dump it on other players.

 

On April 10th, 2010 he was updated to pay the low alchemy price. If you follow this link you can see what he currently buys items for. It also gives the GE min prices and shows how you can profit through selling to him.

 

Keep insulting me without knowing your facts and I'm calling a mod, okay?

[Sy_Accursed]

I know people use ammys for string jewellery; but im fairly sure ppl alch the strung ones hence they sell well.

But yeah given info on price would seem selling unstrung is better.

 

Nobody high alchs them. Just because they sell in the GE doesn't mean people alch them. In fact, they are reselling them to this guy for a profit when they buy from the GE. Honestly, only an idiot would alch gold amulets.

 

Don't say you're sure of something unless you really are. This is after all a Help and Advice forum and people are taking your opinions as facts. If you don't know that they are facts then what you're saying could be hurting someone else.

 

Actually that rogue got nerfed a while back and now gives GE low price for the items, so they are no reselling them unless they are idiots.

Don;t state something as a fact unless your sure of it your just confusing people.

 

People do buy items such as strung gold ammys that have a massive supply and are cheaper as something to alch enmass to train mage; that is why they still sell.

 

The rouge used to give GE min which people were manipulating by buying out jewlery and it never crashing due to them never actually needing to dump it on other players.

 

On April 10th, 2010 he was updated to pay the low alchemy price. If you follow this link you can see what he currently buys items for. It also gives the GE min prices and shows how you can profit through selling to him.

 

Keep insulting me without knowing your facts and I'm calling a mod, okay?

 

Low alch thats the one got the wrong one, it seems my price knowledge was a bit out of date and selling gold ammys to rogue does scrap a profit.

But it doesnt aater the fact people do in-fact buy them to alch as well; I know several people who have done so.

 

And I haven't insulted you at all.

[zotto]

 

The best way to train smithing quickly and cheaply is to superheat gold while smelting it. You should wield a fire staff, goldsmith gauntlets and whatever else you want. Do it in edgeville. Use a magpie familiar to recoup some of the money lost. While you are smelting gold you can superheat one gold for every gold smelted without interrupting the smelting. It pretty much doubles your experience and gives you magic experience at a faster, cheaper rate then alching.

 

It think it is actually faster just superheating them. That's because you have to pause yourself at the furnace.

 

When superheating you can just spam click.

 

hence superheating would be a lot more efficient due to time saved.

[Nifflin]

The best way to train smithing quickly and cheaply is to superheat gold while smelting it. You should wield a fire staff, goldsmith gauntlets and whatever else you want. Do it in edgeville. Use a magpie familiar to recoup some of the money lost. While you are smelting gold you can superheat one gold for every gold smelted without interrupting the smelting. It pretty much doubles your experience and gives you magic experience at a faster, cheaper rate then alching.

 

It think it is actually faster just superheating them. That's because you have to pause yourself at the furnace.

 

When superheating you can just spam click.

 

I'll double check it now, I don't think you can spam click it, otherwise it would be epic exp with mousekeys. Either way, I think the OP is looking for a method more like the one I outlined.

 

Edit: It appears you can, it's just a bit hard in fixed window because you would want to tab to the spellbook and tab back to the inventory. Like, it does the same thing as alching which is staying in the inventory for a few seconds then going back to the spellbook, but if you go back manually you can fit in another superheat and it doesn't cancel like with alching. Either way, it seems marginally faster with a whole lot more clicking. Curious if tabbing makes it less click intensive. Thanks for the info though. :thumbsup:

[Quyneax]

You can spam click with superheat but you can't cast more than one superheat per 2 (or 3?) ticks.

[Flupherkins]

Thanks for all the advice guys. I'm liking the gold ore -> gold ammy (u) deal. Fairly cheap, especially if I simply take the opportunity to LRC the ore myself.

[zotto]

I organize my spellbook in such a way that superheat is on the bottom row.

 

I then spam click.

 

You miss out on a few ores, but I just ignore those. i just bank again. replace bars with ores.