Drakos Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 hi guys. I've noticed running around, that a lot of players use the TokTz-Ket-Xil shield. So i went through the tip.it pages to see if it was actually any good, and i saw on the pages that its defense stats are lower than a rune kite shield. Are the values on tip.it combat guide incorrect? or do players just use the TokTz-Ket-Xil for the appearance? (ie, cos it looks cooler) if it is just because of the appearance, then is the dragon sq shield the best to use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vb354 Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 people use it cos it gives a +5str bonus but for pritty much all situations dragon defender beats em both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy_Accursed Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Yeah you use obby shield/rune defender as the step down from dragon defender for the str bonus. If you realllllyyy want defensive bonuses in shield spot its only worth it with DFS, the spirit sheilds and I hear at least 1 of the dg sheilds is good; and even dragon defender is often a more efficient choice in dps etc. Operation Gold Sparkles :: Chompy Kills :: Full Profound :: Champions :: Barbarian Notes :: Champions Tackle Box :: MA RewardsDragonkin Journals :: Ports Stories :: Elder Chronicles :: Boss Slayer :: Penance King :: Kal'gerion Titles :: Gold Statue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakos Posted October 6, 2011 Author Share Posted October 6, 2011 well yeah, for me i do need the defense bonus... sick of having to do food runs while in the slayer dungeon =) im only lvl 82 combat, but even the edgeville guy sends me to kill turoths.. DFS is short for what, exactly? and while im on this topic, when i kill jellies or bloodvelds, i take the elemental shield for magic defense.. is there a better choice? btw, this tip.it account is ages old, my RS player name is bug_spray69 if u r curious about my stats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quyneax Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Dragonfire shield. And yes, on basically anything, the defender makes you kill them so much faster that you end up taking less damage in the end :). Protect prayers are still better, use your best boosting prayers as well. Supporter of Zaros | Quest Cape owner since 22 may 2010 | No skills below 99 | Total level 2595 | Completionist Cape owner since 17th June 2013 | Suggestions 99 summoning (18th June 2011, previously untrimmed) | 99 farming (14th July 2011) | 99 prayer (8th September 2011) | 99 constitution (10th September 2011) | 99 dungeoneering (15th November 2011) 99 ranged (28th November 2011) | 99 attack, 99 defence, 99 strength (11th December 2011) | 99 slayer (18th December 2011) | 99 magic (22nd December 2011) | 99 construction (16th March 2012) 99 herblore (22nd March 2012) | 99 firemaking (26th March 2012) | 99 cooking (2nd July 2012) | 99 runecrafting (12th March 2012) | 99 crafting (26th August 2012) | 99 agility (19th November 2012) 99 woodcutting (22nd November 2012) | 99 fletching (31st December 2012) | 99 thieving (3rd January 2013) | 99 hunter (11th January 2013) | 99 mining (21st January 2013) | 99 fishing (21st January 2013) 99 smithing (21st January 2013) | 120 dungeoneering (17th June 2013) | 99 divination (24th November 2013) Tormented demon drops: twenty effigies, nine pairs of claws, two dragon armour slices and one elite clue | Dagannoth king drops: two dragon hatchets, two elite clues, one archer ring and one warrior ring Glacor drops: four pairs of ragefire boots, one pair of steadfast boots, six effigies, two hundred lots of Armadyl shards, three elite clues | Nex split: Torva boots | Kalphite King split: off-hand drygore mace 30/30 Shattered Heart statues completed | 16/16 Court Cases completed | 25/25 Choc Chimp Ices delivered | 500/500 Vyrewatch burned | 584/584 tasks completed | 4000/4000 chompies hunted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy_Accursed Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Yeah greater DPS via strength bonus is better than defence.You may take more damage from single hits, but overall you are killing the monsters faster so they don't do as much damage. eg:Without any item there you eat say 3 times per killWith a defence shield you only eat twice per kill as damage you take is lowered.With str bonus you only eat once per kill as you inflict more damage and kill it faster. Only times defence matters more is with low-ish (80s or down) stats on monsters with really high def and strong attacks so the increased dps doesn't help you kill them fast enough; waterfiends would be a good example of this. But even then its still kind of debatable. Operation Gold Sparkles :: Chompy Kills :: Full Profound :: Champions :: Barbarian Notes :: Champions Tackle Box :: MA RewardsDragonkin Journals :: Ports Stories :: Elder Chronicles :: Boss Slayer :: Penance King :: Kal'gerion Titles :: Gold Statue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wessan Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 Lots of players using obby shield = bots, haha. DFS would be your best bet for defense if you can wield it, otherwise go get the best defender you can for all the reasons everyone has pointed out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxitron Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 Yeah greater DPS via strength bonus is better than defence.You may take more damage from single hits, but overall you are killing the monsters faster so they don't do as much damage. I understand and agree, however isn't it ironic that people say this, yet when people want to use (for (a terrible) example) the fighter torso, they're told it's better to use a torags/dharoks/guthans body? :P Sup kids? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 Fighter torso takes more time to get than it saves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phixcire Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 Fighter torso takes more time to get than it saves. Dfs for any dragon tasks unless u got super antifire pots other then that dragon defender unles you prefer defense over attack D.Drops=Skirt9 Med9 Spear2 Visage2 Legs6 boots35 shield half1 whip15 dbow5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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