Deacon_Blue Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 According to the "close enough for who it's for" effigy drop rate calculator on the wiki and elsewhere, K'ril should drop an effigy every ~37 kills. K'ril also counts as a greater demon, so I figured I'd give him a shot for effigy collecting by getting greaters as a slayer task. I took a level 125ish (On purpose, I wanted to make sure I got 90% of the drops) to zammy GWD and we got 40 K'ril kills in an hour and 10 minutes, and he only recieved one boss drop, leaving 39 kills for myself at a chance at an effigy. Of course the agreement was that I split the drops with him after the trip was over. Point being: If you want effigies, take a relatively low level with you and duo Zamorak on a populated world for ~1 effigy per hour assuming you have nearly maxed gear. Using a partner allows you to split up the damage from the minions and hold spare supplies. If the partner is using a combat familiar they can also use it to pull the minions post-kill. Good plan? Bad plan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerfrog Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Good plan. But i don't understand why you chose kril, whats wrong with Graardor? (He's 26 combat levels lower, but he's still more than 1/40) I've been personally doing this with 2 lower level friends just for fun and profit, i didn't think about the effigies i'd be getting. I don't GWD the other bosses often at all, is kril considerabley faster to kill than Graardor or something? (The reason i choose graardor over kril if it's not obvious, is because it's much more profitable) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deacon_Blue Posted October 8, 2011 Author Share Posted October 8, 2011 Good plan. But i don't understand why you chose kril, whats wrong with Graardor? (He's 26 combat levels lower, but he's still more than 1/40) I've been personally doing this with 2 lower level friends just for fun and profit, i didn't think about the effigies i'd be getting. I don't GWD the other bosses often at all, is kril considerabley faster to kill than Graardor or something? (The reason i choose graardor over kril if it's not obvious, is because it's much more profitable) Zammy seems to have far lower defense in my experience, and the odds of getting crashed/annoyed/etc at zammy is quite a lot lower. People don't barge in with max str and claws and spec restores just for the sake of leeching. I suppose it would work fine at Graardor too if you can get past that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4nr Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 It's also due to the fact that he is considered a Greater Demon, so you can use a slayer helmet for higher DPS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfield Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 So do you finish the task in about an hour b/c you kill minions which also count as greater demons too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deacon_Blue Posted October 8, 2011 Author Share Posted October 8, 2011 Only the meleer is a greater. The ranger is a lesser, the mage is a black demon. I just have my partner get his tortoise/elemental titan to attack the meleer to pull aggro, we proceed to pile the ranger, then I take the mage and he takes the meleer. I never get a greater kill except from K'ril. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerfrog Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 You've convinced me to try a Zammy trip :P What chaotic is best there? I've heard he has low defense so i assume rapier..?And what type of gear? High mage defense with melee pray or melee defense with mage pray? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHappySeeker Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 No real research done. His def isn't *that* low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deacon_Blue Posted October 9, 2011 Author Share Posted October 9, 2011 In comparison to Graar his defense is quite low. Rapier hits far more accurate on him than any other chaotic on any other GWD boss, especially on a slayer task with overloads and turmoil. To Powerfrog - For duoing I prefer karils and dragon defender with protect from melee, whereas solo I prefer tank melee praying mage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaaps1 Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 This is pretty interesting. What's the estimated solo rate with maxed equipment and stats? ~It's Super Effective! (The Zaaps Blog)~My YouTube Channel, where you get to watch me go around and make a fool out of myself and all comp capersGuides:~Yeah I wrote them once~Suggestions:~Yeah I made those once~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deacon_Blue Posted October 9, 2011 Author Share Posted October 9, 2011 The solo rate isn't nearly as fast or as many kills per trip as having a weaker duo partner. I honestly haven't done THAT many solo trips to give you a real estimate, and I don't have a divine (which makes a massive difference I'm sure). My best solo trip was somewhere in the neighborhood of 18 kills, and the kills took quite a lot longer because nothing was attacking while I healed, which caused me to have to heal more because the minions were still on me. If you're doing K'ril over Graardor, it's because you want the most kills per hour, not necessarily large profit margins. That is why I highly suggest using a duo partner of a lower level and gear tier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quyneax Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 I think Torva makes a pretty big difference, torva + steel titan and defender over a shield. But I can't say I've tested it. Supporter of Zaros | Quest Cape owner since 22 may 2010 | No skills below 99 | Total level 2595 | Completionist Cape owner since 17th June 2013 | Suggestions 99 summoning (18th June 2011, previously untrimmed) | 99 farming (14th July 2011) | 99 prayer (8th September 2011) | 99 constitution (10th September 2011) | 99 dungeoneering (15th November 2011) 99 ranged (28th November 2011) | 99 attack, 99 defence, 99 strength (11th December 2011) | 99 slayer (18th December 2011) | 99 magic (22nd December 2011) | 99 construction (16th March 2012) 99 herblore (22nd March 2012) | 99 firemaking (26th March 2012) | 99 cooking (2nd July 2012) | 99 runecrafting (12th March 2012) | 99 crafting (26th August 2012) | 99 agility (19th November 2012) 99 woodcutting (22nd November 2012) | 99 fletching (31st December 2012) | 99 thieving (3rd January 2013) | 99 hunter (11th January 2013) | 99 mining (21st January 2013) | 99 fishing (21st January 2013) 99 smithing (21st January 2013) | 120 dungeoneering (17th June 2013) | 99 divination (24th November 2013) Tormented demon drops: twenty effigies, nine pairs of claws, two dragon armour slices and one elite clue | Dagannoth king drops: two dragon hatchets, two elite clues, one archer ring and one warrior ring Glacor drops: four pairs of ragefire boots, one pair of steadfast boots, six effigies, two hundred lots of Armadyl shards, three elite clues | Nex split: Torva boots | Kalphite King split: off-hand drygore mace 30/30 Shattered Heart statues completed | 16/16 Court Cases completed | 25/25 Choc Chimp Ices delivered | 500/500 Vyrewatch burned | 584/584 tasks completed | 4000/4000 chompies hunted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deacon_Blue Posted October 9, 2011 Author Share Posted October 9, 2011 I don't have Torva either to test, though I am completely sure that would help. For solo melee tanking I am limited to bandos and CKS as far as defense is concerned. For duos I take karils and a defender. I would imagine that torva would make a massive difference, but I am completely unable to test that. As for the steel titan, I'll give that a shot next time I go. Unfortunately, I won't have stable internet until midday tomorrow, but I'll try and get you data ASAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHappySeeker Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 Slayer brings claws, tank brings EEE. Tank prays melee, slayer prays mage. Tanking melee, praying mage in Bandos gets you hilariously raped with a dfs/cks. The special attack isn't really that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerfrog Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 Slayer brings claws, tank brings EEE. Tank prays melee, slayer prays mage. Tanking melee, praying mage on bandos gets you hilariously raped with a dfs/cks. The special attack isn't really that bad.That's because Graardor attacks with range and melee. Protecting from mage would protect you from 1 minion. :P And with maxed stats and equipment, tanking melee and praying magic is much more efficient than the reverse on K'ril, or at least that's what the guides i've read seem to suggest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfield Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 I might try SOA on k'ril on my next greater task, now that I unblocked them. If I do I'll share my results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHappySeeker Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 That's because Graardor attacks with range and melee. Protecting from mage would protect you from 1 minion. :P And with maxed stats and equipment, tanking melee and praying magic is much more efficient than the reverse on K'ril, or at least that's what the guides i've read seem to suggest. I typoed that. was meant to say "in", not "on". Those guides are also complete and utter [cabbage] unless you have Torva and/or a divine, at which point prayer becomes more of an issue than damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfield Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 I got a greater task so I tried some solo k'rill kills with soa. I did 16 in 28mins, but then ran out of brews :P. I think I could at least do 30 next time. I was in a full world btw. but if banking and kc takes 10mins that's not too bad. I think it could probably be at least 30/h with soa. Someone else will have to try melee. it was 400 arma runes, so 800k. drops would probably cover that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deacon_Blue Posted October 10, 2011 Author Share Posted October 10, 2011 Well I decided to give melee solo a shot, no claws because of my shoddy connection, and I got 14 kills in 30 minutes. Claws and slightly better gear could probably bump that up slightly. I was using karils and defender and rapier, no titan. Could you tell what gear you were using? EDIT: This was not in a completely full world, so it's highly possible that melee would be equivalent to mage with a touch better gear and a full world. I'll do more testing now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfield Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 well, I think melee is very likely better with claws and torva and things. I was using virtus, arcane ss, staff of armadyl, arcane stream, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerfrog Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 well, I think melee is very likely better with claws and torva and things. I was using virtus, arcane ss, staff of armadyl, arcane stream, etc.Not to mention you'd get much longer trips in melee as you tank much more damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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