The Back Room

[Grim_]

I for one listen to opera for the instrumental music (and the music in general), words at least in my opinion, are secondary. Now to post some weird/trippy songs that I like.

(Oh and rocco I'd list the flute master as well, while not classic rock, he is rather amusing)

 

Karn Evil 9 (Emerson Lake and Palmer)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZcYP00b2FI

 

Locomotive breath (Jethro Tull, it has a rather long intro so you can skip the first 1:30)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCcwNoVSt2E

 

Bargain (The Who)

 

I'll post more later.

 

EDIT: Posting

 

21st Century Schizoid man (King Crimson)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBfCzhYbWBk

 

Epitaph (King Crimson)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnQntM-rtDE&feature=related

[Resistance]

It isn't against Tip.It rules or Tavern rules so what is the problem? I've moved onto the subject of the 'sophistication of certain music types' but you choose to criticise an post that has been superceded by a new post showing me actually taking part in a discussion about music.

[Nexaduro]

Resistance, yes... But you shouldn't whine about what other people enjoy discussing, unless you feel a topic is inappropriate as per the rules, or due to some matter of faith or phobia.

 

I realize that you've stopped, I was just pointing out something that's been done before and can annoy people, so you don't make the same mistake. :)

[Resistance]

Resistance, yes... But you shouldn't whine about what other people enjoy discussing, unless you feel a topic is inappropriate as per the rules, or due to some matter of faith or phobia.

 

I realize that you've stopped, I was just pointing out something that's been done before and can annoy people, so you don't make the same mistake. :)

Okay then.

 

 

Edit: Rocco, what was Tip.It Islands, was it like Hegemony?

[Nexaduro]

Watching a new anime. The Law of Ueki. TVTropes seems to set it up as silly but awesome, I have high hopes.

[The_Mather1]

Tried watching some Doctor Who, it's worse than expected in terms of... well, terms... and the effects are mediocre at best, can't see what all the fuzz is about.

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Yup, 100% agree with you.

Norwegians don't understand the English(or in this case Welsh)

[Nexaduro]

Not worth watching. How sad. And I was expecting good results for once.

[The_Mather1]

I see how some episodes have a slight moral point and that certain parts of it are supposed to be humorous, such as the Daleks, however their exessively long breaks when they're speaking ruins what little humor there is in their design.

All in all, alll plots except the main plot of the season seem to be flipped around too much to really care about and The Doctor's humor is only funny the first episode, after that everything just gets too much with too little to keep your interest.

[H2PM]

and the effects are mediocre at best, can't see what all the fuzz is about.

For a TV show with a budget, it's pretty darn good.

 

Wait, what seasons are you watching? Are you watching the stuff before 2005? Because if you are, I could understand where you're coming from.

[The_Mather1]

Actually watching what I think is the newest whole season, the actor for The Doctor is the one whose face looks like a half-molten mask.

 

Low budget doesn't automatically mean poor effects, almost the entire Stargate Universe was made while MGM were facing severe economical issues, I think they were close to bankruptcy, and it has top-notch effects.

 

EDIT: Yeah, Season 5, 2005.

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All in all, alll plots except the main plot of the season seem to be flipped around too much to really care about and The Doctor's humor is only funny the first episode, after that everything just gets too much with too little to keep your interest.

 

I do have to agree. Watching Dr Who is like watching a debate within the Tavern.

There is a lot of shouting, a lot of unneccessary explaination, and showing off their cool pictures/special effects, which have next to nothing to do with the arguement/story.

 

 

For the majority of stories they just take a mundane reality...say a traffic jam...and blow it up to ridiculous proportions...see planet where all their is is a traffic jam because the doors to the surface as sealed... They then disregard the things that wouldn't work....such as the lack of food, the fact that people would get out of their cars and other people would try to smash their way out...

Insert some sort of moral story, aka, nuclear war is bad, and then explore some concepts.

 

But they are running this overarching story that started two series ago (I think) where the Doctor gets tired of respecting the timeline, and so tries to change things...he then goes down the dark path of getting progressively more willing to kill people, carry guns and what not.

As such the stories get increasingly less coherant, because the character develops towards this 'dark' version, but still talks as the 'light' version...as such, for the audiance...its like the writers are incapable of holding together a decent character, because he just swings wildly to fit the situation.

 

Also there is the whole thing of him always knowing what is going on, despite there being no way for him to know what is going on...

 

Ultimately, it is progressively going downhill because of the simple truth...DECOMPRESSED STORYLINES ARE A BAD IDEA.

A series should have a theme, or a recurring villian...Not a climax...which is what they keep doing...so each episode feels like a letdown, except the climax episode, which feels disappointing because actually the climax was the normal climax you find in another shows.

 

 

 

 

Dr Who has never been about special effects...it is about Story.

Unlike Stargate...which has everything it can to distract the audience from the absence a decent story.

(Seriously, the Atlantis story horrific, with characters that had too many flaws and no redeeming features. Watched up to 13 and was like 'I really...really can't be bothered.')

[jasignhagj]

Aww I miss out on all the good discussions.

 

One of my favourite songs below. Before you start hating, I enjoy classical, some rock, some electro; basically some songs from any genre except [cabbage]-pop.

 

WARNING - Contains some offensive language. Press play at your own discretion. I also should note it's bad quality because of those bastards at VEVO.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aYnb1qVhiE

[The_Mather1]

Stargate has a consistent story, it's about learning and doing the morally right thing.

And lots of character flaws and few redeeming features, isn't that more realistic, barely anyone today (or ever) weigh up their flaws by far.

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Stargate has a consistent story, it's about learning and doing the morally right thing.

And lots of character flaws and few redeeming features, isn't that more realistic, barely anyone today (or ever) weigh up their flaws by far.

 

Stargate is a western TV show, that means it has moral lessons and a sembalance of educational value(CSI, House...all the other hit US shows that are not about Vampires)

Its stories are ok at times, terrible at others...

 

 

And Reality does not make good Television.

If I wanted to watch people sitting around, looking confused, I would become a teacher.

[The_Mather1]

Yes, but if you were a teacher you'd have to punish them if one of the kids started threatening another with a lemon.

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Most of the pschyopath children would have been weeded out by the time I started teaching them.

 

 

The original series was ok, you could watch an episode, have it end and be like 'Hmmm, that was ok.'

The later series, and the spin offs were mostly terrible.

 

For example:

The problem I had with Universe was that it designed a situation that was ridiculous.

 

Space has practically the same premise...there are people on a ship, who, in the sane world, would never ever be allowed to operate independantly from command.

 

In Space what happened... The people who dissented were kicked off the ship, and order was enforced.

In Universe what happened... Everyone dissented and everyone remained on the ship.

 

They(The military) gave the science guy free reign over the ship, despite him being a hostile presence to them.

They(The science guy) gave the miltary free reign over the ship, despite them being a hostile presence to them.

 

In reality what would have happened is that one side would have taken control and limited access of the other.

The military are the most likely candidates for this as the science guy may be pretty incredible, but he can't do a whole huge amount...as shown by his inability to stop them.

 

What would have made it considerably better is if there had actually been some sort of control over the ship, or were able to find a working readout so they could assign work details and such.

Furthermore, it would have really helped the story if people had actually got on with tasks, rather than sitting around complaining about the food.

 

The whole thing was a disaster precisely because no one had any sort of leadership quality.

When the nutter from Earth took over with the magic crystals the story actually looked like it was going to progress somewhere.

But then what happens...Oh yes, the Science guy, who was incapable of controlling the ship in any way, sabortages his plan, and restores the status quo.

[The_Mather1]

Well, things do actually progress like that, everything you said there happens at some point, at first they just have to worry about how the ship they're on has basically no resources.

If you're stranded on a deserted island together with some people you hate, you don't start competing until you know you can survive.

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If you have watched a show for 13 episodes and they are still dealing with who wears the Captain's hat then, barring deus ex machina, the story is going nowhere fast.

[The_Mather1]

It is pretty clear that Everret Young is in charge, however as on any other ship, the only thing that makes other people follow him is the force at his disposal.

 

The entire series is a fight to survive, however at the season final the problems change from being ship-related to becoming man-related.

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Dr McNutjob clearly doesn't know that.

 

It probably did settle down by the end of that series, however it is like Dr Who...

Without the years of watching the series before, you don't have the time or inclination to give it time to become watchable.

[Retech]

Alas, it comes to a time (perhaps a bit late) where Retech must swoop in a represent the traditional classical side of the music battle, which always seems to lose for some reason. :P

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ijSrsu8aMs

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geFXEdMuXl0

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAOTCtW9v0M

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmax47l2hLU

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5C99JyP2ns

 

Perhaps a bit over-represented by cellists, but that is only a minor bias on my part.

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Huzzah for recognising all of them execpt the Oboe one.

 

I even had the first one on my computer =)

 

 

FOLK MUSIC:

[The_Mather1]

Yes, Nicholas Rush doesn't care who holds the guns, he knows they need him that's why he does whatever he wants.

 

Stargate Universe, unlike Atlantis is actually intended for new viewers, only the stargates are left working even remotely as they were previously. If you were waiting for the trouble to settle, then you didn't get the point, they never get a break.

[Retech]

The Oboe one is actually a piece from a movie that was made in the 1980s. So I don't blame you for not recognizing. ;P