The kiln quest puzzle

[spooferfish]

 

+# is 1 and 5.. 15 = 15. but theres another symbol for 15... using 15 in that spot gives me the wrong answer. I was told to add 2 to it, tried 17, that also didn't work.. whats going on?

[Lord Paul]

Should be 16? You have Zi as + when it should be -

[Dax]

Zi is a minus, not a plus, if you're doing what you wrote down.

[Corvus]

One thing to note is that the TzHaar use a base 12 numbering system without the concept of a 0, not a base 10 numbering system with a 0 (If my memory serves me right they have 6 fingers on each hand, that or 3), so 15₁₂ is 17₁₀. Also zi means subtract not add

 

Edit: To explain why the lack of a zero matters, in base 10 if there was no 0 and instead there was a character X that represented 10, you would count 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,X,11,12...

[spooferfish]

One thing to note is that the TzHaar use a base 12 numbering system without the concept of a 0, not a base 10 numbering system with a 0 (If my memory serves me right they have 6 fingers on each hand, that or 3), so 15₁₂ is 17₁₀. Also zi means subtract not add

 

Edit: To explain why the lack of a zero matters, in base 10 if there was no 0 and instead there was a character X that represented 10, you would count 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,X,11,12...

 

I underlined the part I understood.

 

Thanks guys, I always end up doing something stupidly simple like that. -.-

 

Edit: It's not 16.

 

6+15-3+2

21-3+2

21-5

16

 

How is it not 16? Is this where that whole confusing jumble comes into play? The answer it accepted was 18...

[Squakus]

Edit: It's not 16.

 

6+15-3+2

21-3+2

21-5

16

 

How is it not 16? Is this where that whole confusing jumble comes into play? The answer it accepted was 18...

 

looks like you calculated it as 21-(3+2) instead of 21+(-3)+2.

[Corvus]

One thing to note is that the TzHaar use a base 12 numbering system without the concept of a 0, not a base 10 numbering system with a 0 (If my memory serves me right they have 6 fingers on each hand, that or 3), so 15₁₂ is 17₁₀. Also zi means subtract not add

 

Edit: To explain why the lack of a zero matters, in base 10 if there was no 0 and instead there was a character X that represented 10, you would count 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,X,11,12...

 

I underlined the part I understood.

 

Thanks guys, I always end up doing something stupidly simple like that. -.-

 

Edit: It's not 16.

 

6+15-3+2

21-3+2

21-5

16

 

How is it not 16? Is this where that whole confusing jumble comes into play? The answer it accepted was 18...

To put the puzzle in terms of base 10 values:

6 + (12+5) - 3 - 2

6 + 17 - 3 - 2

23 - 5

18

 

(15 in Base 12 is 17 in base 10)

[Bxpprod]

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[Sy_Accursed]

I make it 18 without referring to any confusing jumble, you just work left to right.

 

6 + 17 - 3 - 2

23 - 3 - 2

20 - 2

18

 

1) You put both zi as plus instead of minus.

2) If you look at the number list 10 - 12 have their own symbols then 13 is 1 1, 14 is 1 2 and so on. Therefore 1 5 = 17

I don't see why so many people assume 1 5 must be 15 when the number list clearly shows the pattern for the higher numbers.

[Jonanananas]

Well I guess it would be a bit difficult to understand if you're not familiar with the concept of having numbers not in Base-10. You can obviously work out it on your own, but it may take some time.

[Sy_Accursed]

Well I guess it would be a bit difficult to understand if you're not familiar with the concept of having numbers not in Base-10. You can obviously work out it on your own, but it may take some time.

 

You don't even remotely need to understand base-10 or any mathematical skills/concepts like that.

 

You just look at the pattern given.

Symbol values - Number

1 1 - 13

1 2 - 14

1 3 - 15

etc.

 

The symbols are counting up in numerical order still and all you need to spot is the 2nd digit is 2 higher than what the symbol alone represents.