That's not a logical flaw. It means "Use this shit if you have it for any reason". I've lent my gear out to plenty of lower-levelled friends.

I did the kiln using 40 defence gear so I'm sure what's suggested here will suffice.

ok so

number one, go flame someone else.

number 2 im nowhere near maxed and i can afford some nex gear.

number 3 the problem i had with karil crossbow is 2fold, one it did not seem as accurate when i had used it at low range (82) as the rune crossbow was, and the problem i had with it more is the 2 handed problem when juggliing works until after first jad dies. wave 1-10 only supply i use is 1 pray pot, so the 2 handed range weapon makes for less room and loosing a brew flask that would be used later on for the invunerability crystal and regeneration crystal.

 

one of my friends found karils to work better for him. only reason i was so defensive about it is because you were so rude.

edited to keep from some MORE flaming.

 

and reasoning for Gano legs over virtus legs is that 5 magic bonus (21vs26) vs 12 to 4 magic absorb. most people my level have a problem with har aken, not getting to har aken.

Nobody's flaming. And you obviously are not qualified to write a guide if you think a few points in def bonus and absorb are worth more than the LP and atk boosts from V legs.

Nobody's flaming. And you obviously are not qualified to write a guide if you think a few points in def bonus and absorb are worth more than the LP and atk boosts from V legs.

 

that isnt flaming? your arrogant and incorrect.

people usung this guide will not have a yak, most likely a uni, so that lp boost wont help you on har aken, compared to absorb which will.

You realise that the LP boost affects brews, uni, rest crystal and cons crystal restoration, right? Do you also realise that magic def suffers hugely from diminishing returns? Do you also realise that absorb only functions on damage over 200, with octopus boss hitting a max of ~260? This makes a 4% absorption advantage absorb, on average, less than 1 damage per hit.

 

As I said, you're not qualified to argue about this. Please stop. This is annoying to me.

 

EDIT: Yak isn't even relevant. I have no idea why you mentioned that.

Calm down lol

I'll stop correcting her if she stops being wrong.

I'll stop correcting her if she stops being wrong.

 

omfg you ARE WRONG

its subject to opinion, i think your entire guide is incorrect, how does it feel to have an inside perspective flaming you but you still know they aren't right?

so - affects uni? most people using this wont hav a uni.

 

and before you keep going have you done kiln without being maxed? and was it for your first time?

screw it, repost then

I don't see how Ganodermic leggings can be better than Virtus Robe legs.

 

The extra absorb on Har'Aken, as Seeker pointed out, comes to an average of 1 extra point of damage prevented.

Virtus Robe Legs offer a 134 LP boost, and if you're not maxed, it counts as an even bigger boost to your LP pool than if you had 99 Constitution. Considering your setup seems to be very brew intense (18), surely the addition to your max LP would be much more valuable than either the trivial defence increases or absorption?

I don't see how Ganodermic leggings can be better than Virtus Robe legs.

 

The extra absorb on Har'Aken, as Seeker pointed out, comes to an average of 1 extra point of damage prevented.

Virtus Robe Legs offer a 134 LP boost, and if you're not maxed, it counts as an even bigger boost to your LP pool than if you had 99 Constitution. Considering your setup seems to be very brew intense (18), surely the addition to your max LP would be much more valuable than either the trivial defence increases or absorption?

 

i had realized that, and i changed it, to be honest he was so rude about everything i wasn't concentrating on his point to be perfectly honest... when i wrote it i was mostly putting the items/gear that i was more successful with first, and the others later.

Listen to one of his videos. Then read everything he says in his voice. You won't be so offended anymore. He's very suave.

And yes, I've done kiln at so many different levels at this point, I've lost track of all the different kilns I've done. The lowest stats I've done it on are 70 def, 70 atk, 85 str and mage/ranged stats around 80-85 or something. I did that using around 10 sharks. I pretty much know what I'm talking about.

 

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The lowest stats I've done it on are 70 def

 

newb

Defensive stats barely matter in kiln. I consider zerkers to only be one tier lower than maxed mains without SoA. I've lost count of the amount of zerker kilns I've done at this point.

You just said the lowest defence level you've done is 70, zerkers are less than 70 def if you didn't know.

I said lowest stats, not lowest def. Learn to read. The point was that I know how to kiln effectively and safely on low-levelled accs. Zerkers are now low-levelled.

You seem to think zerkers start out maxed, that's not the case.

 

70+ def makes kiln easy, even with mid-range stats.

I have never seen a zerker without close to max melees. It's not exactly hard or time consuming to get there. Zerkers are the easiest pures to make and play by far.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. There's no pure build more time consuming to make.

Summoning tank. Ranged tanks are also a lot harder to play, though easier to make, due to having no SS/turm.

Neither of those are pure builds, but ignoring that you consider loot sharing charms and no lifing soul wars or chinning defence/ranged as so difficult? I've never made a summoning tank but I have a near maxed ranged tank (90 defence) and it was a lot easier to create and play on. Again, you're making assumptions without knowing what you're talking about. It makes me question your earlier proclamations of kiln mastery.

You considering playing something with 99 str and turm/ss to be "difficult"? Nearly nothing in this game is "difficult". All pures are a matter of patience. If you think otherwise, you've probably never played real competitive games.

Yes, many areas of the game can be difficult with 45 defence. You're speaking from a naive and ignorant standpoint and I'm not quite sure why.