AHappySeeker Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 That's not a logical flaw. It means "Use this shit if you have it for any reason". I've lent my gear out to plenty of lower-levelled friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerker_Jane Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 I did the kiln using 40 defence gear so I'm sure what's suggested here will suffice. 99 farm easy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rilo kiley Posted September 29, 2012 Author Share Posted September 29, 2012 ok sonumber one, go flame someone else.number 2 im nowhere near maxed and i can afford some nex gear.number 3 the problem i had with karil crossbow is 2fold, one it did not seem as accurate when i had used it at low range (82) as the rune crossbow was, and the problem i had with it more is the 2 handed problem when juggliing works until after first jad dies. wave 1-10 only supply i use is 1 pray pot, so the 2 handed range weapon makes for less room and loosing a brew flask that would be used later on for the invunerability crystal and regeneration crystal. one of my friends found karils to work better for him. only reason i was so defensive about it is because you were so rude. iOwn.... (kinda)2 year old account, Hoping to max before 3-year mark.Drops - LOTS! =P1500 total, 2000 total, 2200 total, 2400 total, 2496 total, 2595 total.99s in order: 99 herblore, 99 firemaking, 99 cooking, 99 strength, 99 Constitution, 99 Attack, 99 ranged, 99 dungeoneering, 99 summoning, 99 fletching, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rilo kiley Posted September 29, 2012 Author Share Posted September 29, 2012 edited to keep from some MORE flaming. and reasoning for Gano legs over virtus legs is that 5 magic bonus (21vs26) vs 12 to 4 magic absorb. most people my level have a problem with har aken, not getting to har aken. iOwn.... (kinda)2 year old account, Hoping to max before 3-year mark.Drops - LOTS! =P1500 total, 2000 total, 2200 total, 2400 total, 2496 total, 2595 total.99s in order: 99 herblore, 99 firemaking, 99 cooking, 99 strength, 99 Constitution, 99 Attack, 99 ranged, 99 dungeoneering, 99 summoning, 99 fletching, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHappySeeker Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Nobody's flaming. And you obviously are not qualified to write a guide if you think a few points in def bonus and absorb are worth more than the LP and atk boosts from V legs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rilo kiley Posted September 29, 2012 Author Share Posted September 29, 2012 Nobody's flaming. And you obviously are not qualified to write a guide if you think a few points in def bonus and absorb are worth more than the LP and atk boosts from V legs. that isnt flaming? your arrogant and incorrect.people usung this guide will not have a yak, most likely a uni, so that lp boost wont help you on har aken, compared to absorb which will. iOwn.... (kinda)2 year old account, Hoping to max before 3-year mark.Drops - LOTS! =P1500 total, 2000 total, 2200 total, 2400 total, 2496 total, 2595 total.99s in order: 99 herblore, 99 firemaking, 99 cooking, 99 strength, 99 Constitution, 99 Attack, 99 ranged, 99 dungeoneering, 99 summoning, 99 fletching, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHappySeeker Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 You realise that the LP boost affects brews, uni, rest crystal and cons crystal restoration, right? Do you also realise that magic def suffers hugely from diminishing returns? Do you also realise that absorb only functions on damage over 200, with octopus boss hitting a max of ~260? This makes a 4% absorption advantage absorb, on average, less than 1 damage per hit. As I said, you're not qualified to argue about this. Please stop. This is annoying to me. EDIT: Yak isn't even relevant. I have no idea why you mentioned that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerker_Jane Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Calm down lol 99 farm easy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHappySeeker Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 I'll stop correcting her if she stops being wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rilo kiley Posted September 30, 2012 Author Share Posted September 30, 2012 I'll stop correcting her if she stops being wrong. omfg you ARE WRONGits subject to opinion, i think your entire guide is incorrect, how does it feel to have an inside perspective flaming you but you still know they aren't right? so - affects uni? most people using this wont hav a uni. and before you keep going have you done kiln without being maxed? and was it for your first time?screw it, repost then iOwn.... (kinda)2 year old account, Hoping to max before 3-year mark.Drops - LOTS! =P1500 total, 2000 total, 2200 total, 2400 total, 2496 total, 2595 total.99s in order: 99 herblore, 99 firemaking, 99 cooking, 99 strength, 99 Constitution, 99 Attack, 99 ranged, 99 dungeoneering, 99 summoning, 99 fletching, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saradomin_Mage Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 I don't see how Ganodermic leggings can be better than Virtus Robe legs. The extra absorb on Har'Aken, as Seeker pointed out, comes to an average of 1 extra point of damage prevented.Virtus Robe Legs offer a 134 LP boost, and if you're not maxed, it counts as an even bigger boost to your LP pool than if you had 99 Constitution. Considering your setup seems to be very brew intense (18), surely the addition to your max LP would be much more valuable than either the trivial defence increases or absorption? In real life MMO you don't get 99 smithing by making endless bronze daggers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rilo kiley Posted September 30, 2012 Author Share Posted September 30, 2012 I don't see how Ganodermic leggings can be better than Virtus Robe legs. The extra absorb on Har'Aken, as Seeker pointed out, comes to an average of 1 extra point of damage prevented.Virtus Robe Legs offer a 134 LP boost, and if you're not maxed, it counts as an even bigger boost to your LP pool than if you had 99 Constitution. Considering your setup seems to be very brew intense (18), surely the addition to your max LP would be much more valuable than either the trivial defence increases or absorption? i had realized that, and i changed it, to be honest he was so rude about everything i wasn't concentrating on his point to be perfectly honest... when i wrote it i was mostly putting the items/gear that i was more successful with first, and the others later. iOwn.... (kinda)2 year old account, Hoping to max before 3-year mark.Drops - LOTS! =P1500 total, 2000 total, 2200 total, 2400 total, 2496 total, 2595 total.99s in order: 99 herblore, 99 firemaking, 99 cooking, 99 strength, 99 Constitution, 99 Attack, 99 ranged, 99 dungeoneering, 99 summoning, 99 fletching, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Listen to one of his videos. Then read everything he says in his voice. You won't be so offended anymore. He's very suave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHappySeeker Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 (edited) And yes, I've done kiln at so many different levels at this point, I've lost track of all the different kilns I've done. The lowest stats I've done it on are 70 def, 70 atk, 85 str and mage/ranged stats around 80-85 or something. I did that using around 10 sharks. I pretty much know what I'm talking about. Edited October 7, 2012 by Kimberly Removed off topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerker_Jane Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 The lowest stats I've done it on are 70 def newb 99 farm easy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHappySeeker Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Defensive stats barely matter in kiln. I consider zerkers to only be one tier lower than maxed mains without SoA. I've lost count of the amount of zerker kilns I've done at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerker_Jane Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 You just said the lowest defence level you've done is 70, zerkers are less than 70 def if you didn't know. 99 farm easy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHappySeeker Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 I said lowest stats, not lowest def. Learn to read. The point was that I know how to kiln effectively and safely on low-levelled accs. Zerkers are now low-levelled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerker_Jane Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 You seem to think zerkers start out maxed, that's not the case. Â 70+ def makes kiln easy, even with mid-range stats. 99 farm easy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHappySeeker Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 I have never seen a zerker without close to max melees. It's not exactly hard or time consuming to get there. Zerkers are the easiest pures to make and play by far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerker_Jane Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. There's no pure build more time consuming to make. 99 farm easy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHappySeeker Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Summoning tank. Ranged tanks are also a lot harder to play, though easier to make, due to having no SS/turm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerker_Jane Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Neither of those are pure builds, but ignoring that you consider loot sharing charms and no lifing soul wars or chinning defence/ranged as so difficult? I've never made a summoning tank but I have a near maxed ranged tank (90 defence) and it was a lot easier to create and play on. Again, you're making assumptions without knowing what you're talking about. It makes me question your earlier proclamations of kiln mastery. 99 farm easy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHappySeeker Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 You considering playing something with 99 str and turm/ss to be "difficult"? Nearly nothing in this game is "difficult". All pures are a matter of patience. If you think otherwise, you've probably never played real competitive games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerker_Jane Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Yes, many areas of the game can be difficult with 45 defence. You're speaking from a naive and ignorant standpoint and I'm not quite sure why. 99 farm easy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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