black demons.. again

[X3EN]

Hello everyone,

 

apparently black demons are deserted (blocked? skipped?) ever since the last update that adjusted (multiplied around 4-5 times) certain slayer creature XP. The bad thing is, slayer masters still throw tasks of hundreds of black demons.

Now, there is no real problem with dps: royal xbow works fine. The problem is that BDs still do damage. Sure, their damage is small (80-300 per hit), but very consistent and they attack rather fast. As I do not have 92/95 prayer, this is a real issue, since regeneration can no longer sustain health and due to multiplied HP I average on a lot less BDs per trip (previously, loot caused banking; now, health < 300 causes banking).

Is there any point doing BD tasks now? Or should I permanently block them?

 

I am using royal dhide/barrows gloves/attractor/fsh/bandos boots/rcb.

[Sy_Accursed]

Black Demons were largely abandoned by real players as they were a botfest making get kills tricky. With recent dents to the bot population (via some Jagex work and migration to 07scape) they would be dead because the bots are gone but players still haven't come back.

 

I haven't had any issues with dmg or w/e when I do them, you consistent damage sounds like a product of poor armour more than anything. BD's are fairly strong and you are using an armour kinda below their level.

 

Black d-hide (sans shield) is 801 defence.

Royal D-Hide all 4 pieces amount to 861 defence.

 

Karil's in 3 pieces is 1213 defence

Armadyl (sans shield) is 1399 defence

[X3EN]

So basically, only armadyl (and karils to a lesser extent) are of any use? I did not think the tier nerf was that large tbh.

 

Karils it is then.

[chenw]

I think that's taken a bit out of context? Because Royal d hide parts dont all share the same parts as Karil's, which are not the same as Armadyl.

 

If you wear all of the same pieces though they should be more simiar.

 

Karil's do indeed have better defence, but it might not be as big as Sy have suggested (His figure of 1200 armor also includes helm, which you won't be using since you are using FSH, but if you take too much damage in fsh, you might try karil's helm instead.) Also I'd probably wear Ganodermic boots over bandos against BDs as their defense and LP are better against BDs and are dirt cheap.

 

Out of curiosity, what weapon are you using?

[X3EN]

Now, there is no real problem with dps: royal xbow works fine.

 

I am using royal dhide/barrows gloves/attractor/fsh/bandos boots/rcb.

[chenw]

Oops, missed that small print

[Sy_Accursed]

I think that's taken a bit out of context? Because Royal d hide parts dont all share the same parts as Karil's, which are not the same as Armadyl.

 

If you wear all of the same pieces though they should be more simiar.

 

Karil's do indeed have better defence, but it might not be as big as Sy have suggested (His figure of 1200 armor also includes helm, which you won't be using since you are using FSH, but if you take too much damage in fsh, you might try karil's helm instead.) Also I'd probably wear Ganodermic boots over bandos against BDs as their defense and LP are better against BDs and are dirt cheap.

 

Out of curiosity, what weapon are you using?

 

I don't think its too far out of context for a consideration of proportionality; I ignored shields so it only took the totals as:

Black d-hide - helm, body, legs, gloves

Royal - helm, body legs gloves

Karils - helm, body, legs

Arma - helm, body, legs, gloves, boots

 

That gives Arma a mild advantage in the inclusion of boots (+93) but it's still ahead by a good margin without it.

It gives Karil's a disadvantage in lack of gloves, yet its still ahead of the lower 2.

Granted in actual slayer usage one is unlikely to use the helms, but they all give roughly the same portion of the numbers so don't make a huge impact on where they stand in relation to each other.

 

Using just body and legs the only real difference is Arma falls back slightly to equal Karils (though it does also have +26 damage on the body Karil's lacked)

Black - 515 (2520LP)

Royal - 658 (2730LP)

Karil's - 840 (2940LP)

Arma - 840 (2940LP)

[chenw]

I was alarmed by the sheer difference between your Royal Dhide figure vs karil's figure, a 50% difference when they should only have been around 25%, assuming that the Royal d hide coif follows the tiering rule.

[baileydafrog]

are you using a bunyip?

[Ammako]

I don't think its too far out of context for a consideration of proportionality; I ignored shields so it only took the totals as:

Black d-hide - helm, body, legs, gloves

Royal - helm, body legs gloves

Karils - helm, body, legs

Arma - helm, body, legs, gloves, boots

 

That gives Arma a mild advantage in the inclusion of boots (+93) but it's still ahead by a good margin without it.

It gives Karil's a disadvantage in lack of gloves, yet its still ahead of the lower 2.

 

But nobody in their right minds would go slay wearing only karil's coif + top + skirt, they'd probably be wearing at least barrows gloves (better bonuses overall compared to armadyl gloves.)

Otherwise, they'd get the next lowest RFD gloves/Armadyl gloves, and would probably wear Arma/Bandos/Subj boots (or Ganodermic boots.)

 

Plus I do not see the point in comparing two sets of armour in term of armour bonuses if you aren't comparing the same amount of equipment pieces.

[Sy_Accursed]

I don't think its too far out of context for a consideration of proportionality; I ignored shields so it only took the totals as:

Black d-hide - helm, body, legs, gloves

Royal - helm, body legs gloves

Karils - helm, body, legs

Arma - helm, body, legs, gloves, boots

 

That gives Arma a mild advantage in the inclusion of boots (+93) but it's still ahead by a good margin without it.

It gives Karil's a disadvantage in lack of gloves, yet its still ahead of the lower 2.

 

But nobody in their right minds would go slay wearing only karil's coif + top + skirt, they'd probably be wearing at least barrows gloves (better bonuses overall compared to armadyl gloves.)

Otherwise, they'd get the next lowest RFD gloves/Armadyl gloves, and would probably wear Arma/Bandos/Subj boots (or Ganodermic boots.)

 

Plus I do not see the point in comparing two sets of armour in term of armour bonuses if you aren't comparing the same amount of equipment pieces.

 

Like I explained I was giving the original numbers as rough thing of the relative positions of each armour set in relation to each other; not as verbatim wear this exact gear and nothing else setup guides. The express point was to highlight the fact of the fairly substantial difference between even Royal and the lvl 70 counterparts in terms of defence. And your point is self undermining in that in the later reply, which you quoted from, I both explained this AND provided numbers taken for just the body and legs of each set - the bits that would certainly be worn.

[Blyaunte]

For the sake of throwing another question into the fray, are cannons of any use anymore with Black Demons?

 

I haven't been to Black Demons since they nerfed effigies ... :unsure:

[Quyneax]

The big problem with cannons is that they don't tag. Fighting lower levelled stuff like ghouls and lesser demons (for champion scrolls) you spend al your time just trying to tag the monsters, which is really annoying with abilities and targeting. So yes cannon would be worth using, but it might be really annoying :(.

[Ammako]

And your point is self undermining in that in the later reply, which you quoted from, I both explained this AND provided numbers taken for just the body and legs of each set - the bits that would certainly be worn.

I know that.

What you missed from my post is that I'm saying there's no point in saying Armadyl is superior to Karil when it comes to armour/defence bonuses.