wioneo Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 I have not played notably (other than POP) for about a year now, and I am trying to learn the new system. So far I'm getting that you need to range+mage+melee now for slayer. I am maxed combat except for 96 prayer. I have 96 slayer and 98 herblore. I have the three GWD sets (barring helmets), as well as the POP sets and MA rings.I most likely will not be regularly using drygores, virtus, or ascension in the near future. I plan to use the relevant GWD top+legs+gloves+boots, relevant (i) ring, fury (does 0.2% critical matter?), and full slayer helm on all tasks. MeleeI have the kiln cape and a c maul. Looking around it seems like c claws+EE are better. Is this true?I see that the drygore mace has a prayer bonus, and the offhands are only 4 damage higher than EE. Is the EE lack of accuracy or difference between the drygores notable? RangeI have the alerter, royal xbow, and a ccb. Is the difference between royal xbow and dual ccb's notable for slayer with royal bolts? MagicI have arena capes, arcane stream, arma and polypore staves. It looks like the best bet here is ahrim wand+book and using one of the barrage spells with momentum, is that right? Or would c staff with abilities be better? KillingI plan to just stand next to the monster with a steel titan+scrolls, using the relevant turmoil analog, and relevant extreme potions. I plan to spam abilities for range/melee with soul split to heal. Does that generally work? I plan to do the same with magic except for using momentum and healing with blood barrage. Does switching magic element matter, or could I just stick with blood for convenience? Is the 4% damage of the ferocious ring better than the 3% crit from MA rings?Is teleporting to Kuradal the best substitute for NPC contact?Is the difference between c claws+EE and c maul or between royal xbow and dual ccb's greater? I just used all of my tokens on the charm vacuum imp. That was a lot of questions, and any help or advice that anyone has to offer would be greatly appreciated. Barrows: 9~2 V Brass,V Flail,2 Dh Plate,V Helm,V Skirt,T Legs,Malevolent Shield + DKing: 48~6 W Ring,13 A Ring,8 M Staff,9 S Ring,7 B Ring,3 SeercullDragon Drops: 500+~50+ Med,26 Axe,3 Chain,10+ Legs,10+ Spear,2 D2h,10+ L Half,49 Boots,2 DDs,10+ Lump,9 Claws,50+ Dagger,14 Visage,50+ Mace,4 Scimitar,7 Hasta,Baxe,50+ Long,30+ Royal,2 Kite,4 Ward,2 Plate,Staff,Hammer,Limbs, Mattock,HalberdGWD: 156~4 S Staff,50+ Shard,9 B Tass,13 B Plate,5 B Boots,6 A Plate,11 S Sword,8 A Hilt,4 A Skirt,9 A Helm,S Hilt,3 B Hilt,B Glove,2 A Buckler,Z Ward,Z Garb,2 Z Boots,B Shield,B Helm Corp: 3~Elysian,2 Sp Sh + Nex: 6~Torva Legs,Cere,P cowl,Z bow,2 T boots + GWD2: 9~2 Glaive,Wand,2 Crest,Blade,2 Essence,Core + Araxyte: 5~Web,3 Pheromone,Fang + Raids: 4~3 Codex,P Boots + Trails: 2~Bob Shirt,Fortunate Etc: 64~3 Sceptre,B Mask,16 Whip,2 Focus Sight,5 D Bow,7 SOL,Ragefire,2 Steadfast,Arma Staff,6 Rider Armor,5 Vine,2 Razorback,2 A Wand,Abby Orb,3 Blood Shard,6 Hydrix,Gland,Asc Xbow [spoiler=Capes]Quest Cape Aquired 12-7-07 ~ Level 93 + + + Completionist Cape Aquired 5-22-15 ~ Level 138Hitpoints Cape Aquired 9-21-09 ~ Level 131 + Magic Cape Aquired 9-24-09 + Attack Cape Aquired 3-5-10 ~ Level 135 + Summoning Cape Aquired 3-12-10Strength Cape Aquired 6-1-11 ~ Level 137 + Fire Cape Aquired 6-23-11 + Defence Cape Aquired 7-5-11 + Ranged Cape Aquired 8-1-11 + Kiln Cape Aquired 2-26-12 ~ Level 138Dungeoneering Cape Aquired 4-22-12 + Slayer Cape Aquired 6-25-14 ~ Level 200 + Herblore Cape Acquired 12-9-14 ~ Level 138 + Prayer Cape Acquired 12-20-14Agility Cape Acquired 1-4-15 + Hunter Cape Acquired 1-30-15 + Construction Cape Acquired 1-31-15 + Crafting Cape Acquired 2-22-15 + Thieving Cape Acquired 3-18-15Runecrafting Cape Acquired 4-14-15 + Mining Cape Acquired 4-19-15 + Fishing Cape Acquired 4-25-15 + Firemaking Cape Acquired 4-26-15 + Woodcutting Cape Acquired 4-26-15Cooking Cape Acquired 4-26-15+ Smithing Cape Acquired 4-28-15 + Farming Cape Acquired 4-29-15 + Divination Cape Acquired 5-3-15 + Dungeoneering Mastery 5-4-15Fletching Cape Acquired 5-4-15 + Max Cape Acquired 5-4-15 + Invention Cape Acquired 11-9-16 + Invention Mastery 5-16-19 + Archaeology Cape Acquired 10-30-20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pendo Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Steel titan is pretty useless right now I believe.Some tasks you can barrage pretty well now, I've heard abby demons, nechs, and dags. (wand+book and momentum)If you change your element to be equal to that monsters weakness you gain a slight accuracy boost but its not that noticeable. Click above to visit my blog! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Th e Doctor Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 I have not played notably (other than POP) for about a year now, and I am trying to learn the new system. So far I'm getting that you need to range+mage+melee now for slayer. With drygore you can pretty much still melee everything except polypore, but barraging most tasks is faster. I am maxed combat except for 96 prayer. I have 96 slayer and 98 herblore. I have the three GWD sets (barring helmets), as well as the POP sets and MA rings.I most likely will not be regularly using drygores, virtus, or ascension in the near future. I plan to use the relevant GWD top+legs+gloves+boots, relevant (i) ring, fury (does 0.2% critical matter?), and full slayer helm on all tasks. If you have the saradomin amulets it does (why not take the extra dps when prayer is the so easy to restore anyway?), and for mage it's a difference of .7% from arc stream which is pretty significant. MeleeI have the kiln cape and a c maul. Looking around it seems like c claws+EE are better. Is this true? Yes it's true. But if you're going to get/have drygore you shouldn't be using either of those two options.I see that the drygore mace has a prayer bonus, and the offhands are only 4 damage higher than EE. Is the EE lack of accuracy or difference between the drygores notable? Accuracy (as of right now) is only determined by your mainhand weapon when using abilities. Hence using an EE is much more appealing because you use abilites all the time unless your barraging. And the mh mace is the only one with a prayer bonus, and besides that they all have the same dps so get a mh mace. RangeI have the alerter, royal xbow, and a ccb. Is the difference between royal xbow and dual ccb's notable for slayer with royal bolts? Barely, dual ccbows is going to be ever so slightly higher for dps with abilities, more with momentum. MagicI have arena capes, arcane stream, arma and polypore staves. It looks like the best bet here is ahrim wand+book and using one of the barrage spells with momentum, is that right? Or would c staff with abilities be better? Wand book is better, get a treachery though, same tier and less than half the cost. Use a staff for ice strykes, get a cstaff though. KillingI plan to just stand next to the monster with a steel titan+scrolls, using the relevant turmoil analog, and relevant extreme potions. I plan to spam abilities for range/melee with soul split to heal. Does that generally work? I plan to do the same with magic except for using momentum and healing with blood barrage. Does switching magic element matter, or could I just stick with blood for convenience? Stick with blood barrage. Is the 4% damage of the ferocious ring better than the 3% crit from MA rings? Last time I checked the answer is yes.Is teleporting to Kuradal the best substitute for NPC contact? Yes, if you have plenty of rings. Otherwise tokkul-zo to fairy rings to the ancient cavern is the next fastest way of getting there.Is the difference between c claws+EE and c maul or between royal xbow and dual ccb's greater? I just used all of my tokens on the charm vacuum imp. Claws+EE is a bigger dps boost than royal to dual ccbows hands down as you have a t8+t8.9 vs t8+t8 respectively. That was a lot of questions, and any help or advice that anyone has to offer would be greatly appreciated. Responses in bold. Cheers. Armadyl Drops : 4 Hilts; 3 Chestplates; 2 Chainskirts; 1 Helmet; 1 Buckler; 2 Shard 1; 2 Shard 2; 1 Shard 3Nex : 1 Zaryte BowKalphite King : 1 Drygore Rapier ; 1 Drygore Longsword : 1 Drygore Offhand Rapier : 1 Drygore Offhand Longsword Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quyneax Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Titan doesn't really have enough time to target, you kill too quickly, but it's good on tormented demons for example. And yeah, barrage > abilities, switching elements is probably worth it, you can use bonecruncher + demon horn necklace + soul split to heal. Supporter of Zaros | Quest Cape owner since 22 may 2010 | No skills below 99 | Total level 2595 | Completionist Cape owner since 17th June 2013 | Suggestions 99 summoning (18th June 2011, previously untrimmed) | 99 farming (14th July 2011) | 99 prayer (8th September 2011) | 99 constitution (10th September 2011) | 99 dungeoneering (15th November 2011) 99 ranged (28th November 2011) | 99 attack, 99 defence, 99 strength (11th December 2011) | 99 slayer (18th December 2011) | 99 magic (22nd December 2011) | 99 construction (16th March 2012) 99 herblore (22nd March 2012) | 99 firemaking (26th March 2012) | 99 cooking (2nd July 2012) | 99 runecrafting (12th March 2012) | 99 crafting (26th August 2012) | 99 agility (19th November 2012) 99 woodcutting (22nd November 2012) | 99 fletching (31st December 2012) | 99 thieving (3rd January 2013) | 99 hunter (11th January 2013) | 99 mining (21st January 2013) | 99 fishing (21st January 2013) 99 smithing (21st January 2013) | 120 dungeoneering (17th June 2013) | 99 divination (24th November 2013) Tormented demon drops: twenty effigies, nine pairs of claws, two dragon armour slices and one elite clue | Dagannoth king drops: two dragon hatchets, two elite clues, one archer ring and one warrior ring Glacor drops: four pairs of ragefire boots, one pair of steadfast boots, six effigies, two hundred lots of Armadyl shards, three elite clues | Nex split: Torva boots | Kalphite King split: off-hand drygore mace 30/30 Shattered Heart statues completed | 16/16 Court Cases completed | 25/25 Choc Chimp Ices delivered | 500/500 Vyrewatch burned | 584/584 tasks completed | 4000/4000 chompies hunted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wioneo Posted June 6, 2013 Author Share Posted June 6, 2013 Wow that was pretty quick. Thank you everyone for the help. I hope they fix summoning somehow. I guess I will just bring pak cows on tasks now if healing and damage don't matter... Just a few more things, are the c rapier, dung shields, and zerker (i) useless now, and if so is there anything to do with them other than dying in the wilderness for 100k? Why do I need a staff instead of wand+book for strykeworms? Or does "bloodfire" not count for the bonus? Are treachery wands rare? I haven't been able to get one well over for a few hours, I will change my offer again... I also noticed this "demon slayer" range gear. It looks like selling arma boots/gloves for those could save a few million, or is the difference there notable? EDIT: Also I have black demons to kill, ended up just buying the treachery+virtus book at whatever instant price was. So I'm just going to go try blood barraging those with momentum and hope I don't die embarrassingly. Barrows: 9~2 V Brass,V Flail,2 Dh Plate,V Helm,V Skirt,T Legs,Malevolent Shield + DKing: 48~6 W Ring,13 A Ring,8 M Staff,9 S Ring,7 B Ring,3 SeercullDragon Drops: 500+~50+ Med,26 Axe,3 Chain,10+ Legs,10+ Spear,2 D2h,10+ L Half,49 Boots,2 DDs,10+ Lump,9 Claws,50+ Dagger,14 Visage,50+ Mace,4 Scimitar,7 Hasta,Baxe,50+ Long,30+ Royal,2 Kite,4 Ward,2 Plate,Staff,Hammer,Limbs, Mattock,HalberdGWD: 156~4 S Staff,50+ Shard,9 B Tass,13 B Plate,5 B Boots,6 A Plate,11 S Sword,8 A Hilt,4 A Skirt,9 A Helm,S Hilt,3 B Hilt,B Glove,2 A Buckler,Z Ward,Z Garb,2 Z Boots,B Shield,B Helm Corp: 3~Elysian,2 Sp Sh + Nex: 6~Torva Legs,Cere,P cowl,Z bow,2 T boots + GWD2: 9~2 Glaive,Wand,2 Crest,Blade,2 Essence,Core + Araxyte: 5~Web,3 Pheromone,Fang + Raids: 4~3 Codex,P Boots + Trails: 2~Bob Shirt,Fortunate Etc: 64~3 Sceptre,B Mask,16 Whip,2 Focus Sight,5 D Bow,7 SOL,Ragefire,2 Steadfast,Arma Staff,6 Rider Armor,5 Vine,2 Razorback,2 A Wand,Abby Orb,3 Blood Shard,6 Hydrix,Gland,Asc Xbow [spoiler=Capes]Quest Cape Aquired 12-7-07 ~ Level 93 + + + Completionist Cape Aquired 5-22-15 ~ Level 138Hitpoints Cape Aquired 9-21-09 ~ Level 131 + Magic Cape Aquired 9-24-09 + Attack Cape Aquired 3-5-10 ~ Level 135 + Summoning Cape Aquired 3-12-10Strength Cape Aquired 6-1-11 ~ Level 137 + Fire Cape Aquired 6-23-11 + Defence Cape Aquired 7-5-11 + Ranged Cape Aquired 8-1-11 + Kiln Cape Aquired 2-26-12 ~ Level 138Dungeoneering Cape Aquired 4-22-12 + Slayer Cape Aquired 6-25-14 ~ Level 200 + Herblore Cape Acquired 12-9-14 ~ Level 138 + Prayer Cape Acquired 12-20-14Agility Cape Acquired 1-4-15 + Hunter Cape Acquired 1-30-15 + Construction Cape Acquired 1-31-15 + Crafting Cape Acquired 2-22-15 + Thieving Cape Acquired 3-18-15Runecrafting Cape Acquired 4-14-15 + Mining Cape Acquired 4-19-15 + Fishing Cape Acquired 4-25-15 + Firemaking Cape Acquired 4-26-15 + Woodcutting Cape Acquired 4-26-15Cooking Cape Acquired 4-26-15+ Smithing Cape Acquired 4-28-15 + Farming Cape Acquired 4-29-15 + Divination Cape Acquired 5-3-15 + Dungeoneering Mastery 5-4-15Fletching Cape Acquired 5-4-15 + Max Cape Acquired 5-4-15 + Invention Cape Acquired 11-9-16 + Invention Mastery 5-16-19 + Archaeology Cape Acquired 10-30-20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pendo Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 Imbued rings are still good, zerker ring is a tribrid ring now, for melee you'll want warrior(i).You really dont need shields for slayerSince strykes can only be killed one at a time, you want to focus on single way damage instead of momentum + wand/book with barrage. You'll also want to use abilities with the staff instead of momentum. Treachery wands aren't too rare, all the wands are going up right now though Click above to visit my blog! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wioneo Posted June 6, 2013 Author Share Posted June 6, 2013 Ok, so a staff with abilities+blitz for single targets, and wand+book with momentum+barrage for multi. I'm seeing that the books only affect accuracy, is that true? And if so wouldn't the differences between virtus/ahrim/whatever books not really matter as long as you have one of them for the speed when slaying? Barrows: 9~2 V Brass,V Flail,2 Dh Plate,V Helm,V Skirt,T Legs,Malevolent Shield + DKing: 48~6 W Ring,13 A Ring,8 M Staff,9 S Ring,7 B Ring,3 SeercullDragon Drops: 500+~50+ Med,26 Axe,3 Chain,10+ Legs,10+ Spear,2 D2h,10+ L Half,49 Boots,2 DDs,10+ Lump,9 Claws,50+ Dagger,14 Visage,50+ Mace,4 Scimitar,7 Hasta,Baxe,50+ Long,30+ Royal,2 Kite,4 Ward,2 Plate,Staff,Hammer,Limbs, Mattock,HalberdGWD: 156~4 S Staff,50+ Shard,9 B Tass,13 B Plate,5 B Boots,6 A Plate,11 S Sword,8 A Hilt,4 A Skirt,9 A Helm,S Hilt,3 B Hilt,B Glove,2 A Buckler,Z Ward,Z Garb,2 Z Boots,B Shield,B Helm Corp: 3~Elysian,2 Sp Sh + Nex: 6~Torva Legs,Cere,P cowl,Z bow,2 T boots + GWD2: 9~2 Glaive,Wand,2 Crest,Blade,2 Essence,Core + Araxyte: 5~Web,3 Pheromone,Fang + Raids: 4~3 Codex,P Boots + Trails: 2~Bob Shirt,Fortunate Etc: 64~3 Sceptre,B Mask,16 Whip,2 Focus Sight,5 D Bow,7 SOL,Ragefire,2 Steadfast,Arma Staff,6 Rider Armor,5 Vine,2 Razorback,2 A Wand,Abby Orb,3 Blood Shard,6 Hydrix,Gland,Asc Xbow [spoiler=Capes]Quest Cape Aquired 12-7-07 ~ Level 93 + + + Completionist Cape Aquired 5-22-15 ~ Level 138Hitpoints Cape Aquired 9-21-09 ~ Level 131 + Magic Cape Aquired 9-24-09 + Attack Cape Aquired 3-5-10 ~ Level 135 + Summoning Cape Aquired 3-12-10Strength Cape Aquired 6-1-11 ~ Level 137 + Fire Cape Aquired 6-23-11 + Defence Cape Aquired 7-5-11 + Ranged Cape Aquired 8-1-11 + Kiln Cape Aquired 2-26-12 ~ Level 138Dungeoneering Cape Aquired 4-22-12 + Slayer Cape Aquired 6-25-14 ~ Level 200 + Herblore Cape Acquired 12-9-14 ~ Level 138 + Prayer Cape Acquired 12-20-14Agility Cape Acquired 1-4-15 + Hunter Cape Acquired 1-30-15 + Construction Cape Acquired 1-31-15 + Crafting Cape Acquired 2-22-15 + Thieving Cape Acquired 3-18-15Runecrafting Cape Acquired 4-14-15 + Mining Cape Acquired 4-19-15 + Fishing Cape Acquired 4-25-15 + Firemaking Cape Acquired 4-26-15 + Woodcutting Cape Acquired 4-26-15Cooking Cape Acquired 4-26-15+ Smithing Cape Acquired 4-28-15 + Farming Cape Acquired 4-29-15 + Divination Cape Acquired 5-3-15 + Dungeoneering Mastery 5-4-15Fletching Cape Acquired 5-4-15 + Max Cape Acquired 5-4-15 + Invention Cape Acquired 11-9-16 + Invention Mastery 5-16-19 + Archaeology Cape Acquired 10-30-20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Th e Doctor Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 Accuracy matters a huge deal in the jump between tiers, the biggest factor being what tier defense of the monster your attacking is. Most slayer monsters are around t6 defense so having less than t7 is not ideal for max kill speed. Once you get t8 the accuracy is so great that there isn't much that you can't mage on task. Armadyl Drops : 4 Hilts; 3 Chestplates; 2 Chainskirts; 1 Helmet; 1 Buckler; 2 Shard 1; 2 Shard 2; 1 Shard 3Nex : 1 Zaryte BowKalphite King : 1 Drygore Rapier ; 1 Drygore Longsword : 1 Drygore Offhand Rapier : 1 Drygore Offhand Longsword Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wioneo Posted June 6, 2013 Author Share Posted June 6, 2013 Is it valid to just average tiers for comparing dual wield and 2 hand? For example treachery wand+virtus book would be combined t75, so arma staff at t77 would be better for a single target? Barrows: 9~2 V Brass,V Flail,2 Dh Plate,V Helm,V Skirt,T Legs,Malevolent Shield + DKing: 48~6 W Ring,13 A Ring,8 M Staff,9 S Ring,7 B Ring,3 SeercullDragon Drops: 500+~50+ Med,26 Axe,3 Chain,10+ Legs,10+ Spear,2 D2h,10+ L Half,49 Boots,2 DDs,10+ Lump,9 Claws,50+ Dagger,14 Visage,50+ Mace,4 Scimitar,7 Hasta,Baxe,50+ Long,30+ Royal,2 Kite,4 Ward,2 Plate,Staff,Hammer,Limbs, Mattock,HalberdGWD: 156~4 S Staff,50+ Shard,9 B Tass,13 B Plate,5 B Boots,6 A Plate,11 S Sword,8 A Hilt,4 A Skirt,9 A Helm,S Hilt,3 B Hilt,B Glove,2 A Buckler,Z Ward,Z Garb,2 Z Boots,B Shield,B Helm Corp: 3~Elysian,2 Sp Sh + Nex: 6~Torva Legs,Cere,P cowl,Z bow,2 T boots + GWD2: 9~2 Glaive,Wand,2 Crest,Blade,2 Essence,Core + Araxyte: 5~Web,3 Pheromone,Fang + Raids: 4~3 Codex,P Boots + Trails: 2~Bob Shirt,Fortunate Etc: 64~3 Sceptre,B Mask,16 Whip,2 Focus Sight,5 D Bow,7 SOL,Ragefire,2 Steadfast,Arma Staff,6 Rider Armor,5 Vine,2 Razorback,2 A Wand,Abby Orb,3 Blood Shard,6 Hydrix,Gland,Asc Xbow [spoiler=Capes]Quest Cape Aquired 12-7-07 ~ Level 93 + + + Completionist Cape Aquired 5-22-15 ~ Level 138Hitpoints Cape Aquired 9-21-09 ~ Level 131 + Magic Cape Aquired 9-24-09 + Attack Cape Aquired 3-5-10 ~ Level 135 + Summoning Cape Aquired 3-12-10Strength Cape Aquired 6-1-11 ~ Level 137 + Fire Cape Aquired 6-23-11 + Defence Cape Aquired 7-5-11 + Ranged Cape Aquired 8-1-11 + Kiln Cape Aquired 2-26-12 ~ Level 138Dungeoneering Cape Aquired 4-22-12 + Slayer Cape Aquired 6-25-14 ~ Level 200 + Herblore Cape Acquired 12-9-14 ~ Level 138 + Prayer Cape Acquired 12-20-14Agility Cape Acquired 1-4-15 + Hunter Cape Acquired 1-30-15 + Construction Cape Acquired 1-31-15 + Crafting Cape Acquired 2-22-15 + Thieving Cape Acquired 3-18-15Runecrafting Cape Acquired 4-14-15 + Mining Cape Acquired 4-19-15 + Fishing Cape Acquired 4-25-15 + Firemaking Cape Acquired 4-26-15 + Woodcutting Cape Acquired 4-26-15Cooking Cape Acquired 4-26-15+ Smithing Cape Acquired 4-28-15 + Farming Cape Acquired 4-29-15 + Divination Cape Acquired 5-3-15 + Dungeoneering Mastery 5-4-15Fletching Cape Acquired 5-4-15 + Max Cape Acquired 5-4-15 + Invention Cape Acquired 11-9-16 + Invention Mastery 5-16-19 + Archaeology Cape Acquired 10-30-20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quest_Cape_K Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 I think the magic off-hands do half the damage that the main-hand would do. (Of the same tier) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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