3.5 Questions 3 topics (NEX/DG + Summon + Wc)

[Saru Inc]

Hi guys! I figured I'd make one topic instead of three.

 

 

1) I've never Nex'd before, but I've always wanted to. How user friendly is this end-game boss? If I have decent gear (I have 250m to spare on gear, but no POP armor :( ), do I have to worry about 1-hit deaths types of situations? Are RSOF Nex teams pretty solid, or are they really hit-or-miss?

 

2) Related to #1, I'm DG'ing for DG items, and I'm not sure what I should get next, for Nex. ;) I have Cmaul/staff/ OH rapier. I've heard she can be ranged, and range is my favorite combat, so I'd like to purchase Chaotic cbows MH/OH. Are these viable? Or is it not worth it if you have Royal? I do not have any DG shields, should I purchase one of those?

 

3) Is using the Taverly store method of training summon much more expensive than Kyatting? I mean, I assume it will be more expensive... but like 10 gp loss per secondary, vs. 300 gp loss per secondary. (Yak hide/Water tally). Money isn't really an object, I just don't want to waste money if in the end it adds a large cost to the project.

 

4) And finally.. Woodcutting. What is the 'noxpwaste' method for this skill? I've heard Artic Pines, but then I hear some people say it's not worth it, go for Ivy. I currently C2 floors 1-30 for DG and both Fish and WC. It adds a lot of time to the floors, but the xp/hr for Fish/wc is pretty handy.

 

 

Thank you very much! An easy response to questions #1/2 is what would be an ideal set up for Nex :P If a DG shield is required, I'll just purchase that etc.

 

You guys are the best!

[Ammako]

I'm pretty sure the Taverley store method for Summoning is much more expensive than the Kyatt method, because pretty much every pouch resells for more on G.E. than you get from selling to the Taverley shop.

[Saru Inc]

Yea, I was considering it for barker toads, since those are crap anyways. Thanks !

[chenw]

According to someone in my clan, you lose a bit more shards if you turn them into scrolls and then shard them rather than sharding the pouches (i believe you get 110 shards back for 10 pack yak scrolls, as opposed to 148 for a pack yak pouch), given that Yak Hides sell to shop and rebuy at relatively small cost, basically you are buying huge amount of speed for just a cost of 38 shards per pouch, or 950 extra per pouch.

 

To me, that easily beats kyatting.

[Saru Inc]

According to someone in my guild, you lose about half the shard of a pack yak if you turn them into scrolls and then shard them rather than sharding the pouches (i believe you get 110 shards back for 10 scrolls, as opposed to 148 for a pouch), given that Yak Hides sell to shop and rebuy at virtually no cost per hide (something like 2 gp), basically you are buying huge amount of speed for just a cost of 38 shards per pouch, or 950 extra per pouch.

 

To me, that easily beats kyatting.

 

So I should be coverting pouches -> scrolls -> shards instead of selling the pouches on GE? Does this go for all pouches, or just some?

[Guado]

1)

One hit KO attacks? No, not really. There is, however, a plethora of special attacks that she throws at you that can pile up rather fast.

 

For Smoke phase, you'd want to watch out for the "There is...NO ESCAPE!" special, in which she cross cleaves the middle section (the Zaros symbol), from one side to the other. Tanks usually lure her away from the middle, though, so this shouldn't be a problem.

Still in this phase, you will deal with a special, infectious cough. Pretty minor stuff nowadays, but warding off your teammates makes it go away.

 

In the Shadow phase, meleers have it rough. They can't attack her more than (approximately) 2-3 times before being dealt dart-speed 500s+ unblockable and typeless damage. Usually, meleers hit her 2-3 times, walk away 2-3 squares, and repeat. The big thing here is her "Fear the shadow!" special, in which she summons a black spot underneath players' feet. You have approximately 3 seconds to step away, or you will be dealt moderate damage (1200+, and I *think* I've been hit over 3k once, not really sure!). Be aware that other players' shadow dots can also afflict you, so be twice as cautious.

 

Blood phase-wise, there aren't any major damage-dealing specials. There's the blood sacrifice, but it doesn't hit for much, although it does heal Nex a spectacular 10 or 20k LPs, and halves your current Prayer points.

 

Finally, during the Ice phase, you'll be confronted with Nex's most dangerous one hit offs. "Die now, in a prison of ice!" can hit over 8k LPs, and "Contain this!" can seriously wound the hardiest warrior. Prisons are usually tanked by the Tank (duh), while meleers should proceed with extra bits of caution during the containment special (read: run away for a few squares seconds Her icicles travel a fair number of squares).

 

Zaros phase has no particular special attacks.

 

Also, make note these are just her damaging specials, it is no way a 'complete' Nex guide, not even a survival book. Just basic info you could easily find in the Wiki.

 

As for RSOF teams, I have absolutely no idea. Never dealt with such a thing; I keep my random social encounters at foot's length after Dungeoneering.

 

 

 

2) *Usually*, and do make note this is from my experience before Assbows and Seismic, Nex teams prefer meleers. Yes, a Range switch is sometimes used during Zaros, but that's about it. Shields are definitely not needed, except maybe for a solo, and only during Zaros. You wouldn't need anything from DG to Nex right now, but you would want Drygores.

 

 

 

3) Yes. No numbers, been a long time since I got 99 Summoning, but the loss is pretty big. I don't enjoy spending ages running charms, though, and paying the few extra mils I could make back after seemed like a fair trade off. It's probably efficient, too, since everyone seems to do it, but sadly, I can't crunch the numbers for you, and say that it's better gp/xp for time spent.

 

 

 

4) Noone would recommend Ivy for an efficient Woodcutting method, lol. Arctic Pines are borderline 100k xp/h, I believe, passible of enhancement with some boosts (saw Hedgehog claiming around 6-8k bonus xp/h with WCing aura based on Mining numbers. Beavers also help, as does Lumberjack clothing. Adze, too.

I believe C2 is somewhat superior, but you'd need a setup like Suomi's - Paying people to do the Dungeon as you Woodcut. Doesn't seem that effective.

 

You can also consider doing Large Sawmill jobs, for about 90k xp/h.

 

Someone will correct me on this one.

 

 

 

 

Finally, to round it up, an ideal setup for Nex would be Torva, dual Drygores, Aura/Scrimshaw as you would, Sixth-Age circuit or an Onyx (i), Whisper / Zealots if using single-stat boosting Prayers (think I saw someone in RSOF ID with some numbers claiming it's better than Turm/Piety even post-nerf). Like I said, sometimes a Range switch is taken, in which case take a Rcb / Zaryte / Assbows and a Top + Bottom switch.

 

 

 

(My info may be outdated, specifically Nex-wise, so take it with a grain of salt till someone more experienced posts.)

[chenw]

Pack yak's GE price is 3699, shards to pouch convertion is 3700, so I would probably just shard it instead of selling it on the GE (since there is a sell limit on GE), for most pouches I know, this is generally the case.

 

To convert pouches or scrolls would depend on your income or your willingness to earn money instead of spending time on training summoning instead etc.

[Hedgehog]

According to someone in my guild, you lose about half the shard of a pack yak if you turn them into scrolls and then shard them rather than sharding the pouches (i believe you get 110 shards back for 10 scrolls, as opposed to 148 for a pouch), given that Yak Hides sell to shop and rebuy at virtually no cost per hide (something like 2 gp), basically you are buying huge amount of speed for just a cost of 38 shards per pouch, or 950 extra per pouch.

 

To me, that easily beats kyatting.

 

So I should be coverting pouches -> scrolls -> shards instead of selling the pouches on GE? Does this go for all pouches, or just some?

Grimy's summoning spreadsheet tells you how to sell each pouch.

[Stev]

Shields are definitely not needed, except maybe for a solo, and only during Zaros.

I would have suggested the shields first, but it depends on his activities. If he plans on learning to tank Nex, if he plans on moving on to Vorago afterward, etc. With 250M you could get virtus, a wand (even if treachery), and have the farseer to tank at Nex and Vorago.

 

IDK, I've never used defensive abilities or tanked before Vorago, and now that I've realized how much you can abuse resonance, rejuvenation, immortality, and the others... It's sooo much fun.

[Guado]

Definitely, yeah, but I think his question pertained to Nex alone.

In the long run, DG shields are worthwhile, at least until we get t90 ones or tradeable t80s.

 

Edit; Unless he's tanking, yeah, forgot to mention that - woops!

I'd heartily advise against tanking Nex when learning, though :P

[chenw]

Especially if he is new to the whole tanking concept, less so if he has played the role of tank in other MMOs

[Saradomin_Mage]

If you find yourself unable to do the cut+split method for arctic pines which makes it very fast, C2 woodcutting or teak dropping may be more viable for you. Remember to use urns if doing arctics or teaks.

 

You might want to get friends rather than an RSOF team when you're learning to Nex.

 

Tip.It's Nex guide is still roughly usable for Nex at the moment, if you want information for how each of her special attacks work, but it's out of date regarding the actual battle process.