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Are you serious? This rule still exists?


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http://services.rune...l-world_trading

 

By no means would I ever dream of breaking one of RuneScape's rules, but I have to call out on the hypocrisy of that rule.

 

You are given the option of buying keys for the treasure chest, for REAL money. How the heck does that not count as real-world trading?

 

If they claim to enforce that rule, they shouldn't give players the option of using real world cash to get keys for the treasure trails.

 

This is a huge hypocrisy which I must point out.



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You're about three years late to this discussion, but basically yes.


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Yeah, I know this has been discussed a lot in the past, but I do feel it's still relevant though since despite the fact that you can buy treasure keys the rule is still here.

 

That hasn't changed since three years ago.



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The kicker was really when they removed this paragraph in April 2012:

 

 

We don't want players to be able to buy their way to success in RuneScape. If we let players start doing this, it devalues RuneScape for others. We feel your status in real-life shouldn't affect your ability to be successful in RuneScape.


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That hasn't changed since three years ago.

Put simply, the rule refers to player-to-player trades.



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That hasn't changed since three years ago.

Put simply, the rule refers to player-to-player trades.

 

 

And how exactly does that make the rule any less hypocritical?



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And how exactly does that make the rule any less hypocritical?

 

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It can't make it less hypocritical, because it's already not hypocritical. You're assuming that Jagex is on the same level as you, and that they abide by the same rules as you do. They are not. They create the game. They offer you the opportunity to play the game, and what demands they have of you. There is no hypocrisy because there are no virtues, principles, or publicly approved attitudes. This is a contract between the two of you.


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Jagex changed the RWT rules to make themselves as an exception when they needed a bit more cash. :lol:

 

 

 

As far as how its enforced you are able to buy gold now (via bonds and TT) at no risk but a higher cost or you can buy it for cheaper 3rd party and risk getting banned. It is what it is



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Well now, technically Mod MMG said, "You can not take your credit card and effectively buy GP or XP from the Squeal of Fortune [now Treasure Hunter]."

Y'all are imagining things.


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Yes, this rule does exist. Yes, the mods basically ignore this rule now.



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If the rule is not referring to using real dollars to buy treasure keys, why even call the rule "real-world trading"?

 

Wouldn't a better title for the rule be no trading through third-party software? Alright, maybe that isn't exactly fitting, but the name of the rule should change to a name that's more fitting.

 

If the title of the rule would change, I guarantee I won't think of it as hypocritical.



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Because the rule has always been about one player trading real world currency to another player for in-game goods, because players don't own in-game items. Those are Jagex's property, and by RWT-ing you are selling things that aren't yours and making money off somebody else's intellectual property, which is illegal.

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I'm glad we are beating this dead horse again

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Because the rule has always been about one player trading real world currency to another player for in-game goods, because players don't own in-game items. Those are Jagex's property, and by RWT-ing you are selling things that aren't yours and making money off somebody else's intellectual property, which is illegal.

 

I am willing to admit you got me here. In that case there is nothing that fits it more than calling it real world trading.

 

Yeah that is a legitimate reason for calling it real world trading.

 

For example if I own a movie on DVD or Blu-Ray that only means I own a physical copy, it doesn't mean I have the rights to do what I want with it.

 

The same applies to RuneScape membership.

 

I no longer feel they're hypocritical. It was my mistake to not see how the discussion three years ago ended. But can you really blame me? Nobody feels like digging up old posts to see that.

 

I'm glad we are beating this dead horse again

 

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^you can better compare it to renting a DVD as you don't owe anything on runescape. Your character, items in-game money all belongs to jagex.

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^you can better compare it to renting a DVD as you don't owe anything on runescape. Your character, items in-game money all belongs to jagex.

 

Not entirely though, if I made a video showing my stuff and call it mine, Jagex won't even mind.

 

The example of buying a DVD/Blu-Ray works just as well as renting. If you own something on DVD/Blu-Ray it doesn't mean you can freely upload clips of the movie or TV show. The movie itself is still a property of the movie company.



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Yeah technically they won't mind because you are sanctioned under the law "Fair Use" which means that although you are taking video with their graphics and game, you are also adding on your content to it and using it for educational/entertainment purposes.

 

Technically if you want to take a small clip from a movie and use it in conjunction with something else you are producing it may be okay, but it's kind of a grey area. Whether or not you stand to make a profit off such an endeavor would also effect it. Of course you you would have to clarify the source as well, not claim the clip as your own.


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I'm not sure why we're even continuing this discussion.

 

I admitted I screwed up, there is nothing else to say.

 

Could a mod or an admin close this thread as the discussion is over? Thank you.



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Locking as requested.


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