Smithing is obsolete.

[Icedrop]

to be honest... with so many 99 smithers offering free smithing, why bother doing it yourself?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

people pay so much for ore, because most only get up to 70 or so for skill total, and are willing to outbid dedicated smithers wanting to get high in order to buy their ores, because they dont care about loss, because they get multiple easy levels!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

smithing is only for skill total imo,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

==ice==

[I_AM_SLICEMAN]

cry me a river build me a bridge and get over it

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and dont say o u do it all i actually have 68 smithing and 3300 bars to go and i bought it all from lvl 32 on

[JaggedSpike]

What's the point of smithing if you do all the mining yourself; I meant smithing as a stand alone skill.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe addy plates are worth it, but that means well over 75% of all items aren't worth it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And these simply economics don't apply to RS, miners will rarely sell under the "usual" price.

[Jens14]

The solution is simple: Mine ore.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not only does this give you ores to smith, it also manages to lower prices in the World because the demand for ores is less. The less ore buyers, the less expensive the ores are. It's simple economic... but don'y feel bad. Bush can't understand it either :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Yondo

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

amen, jsut mine them yourself like i do :D raising your mining lvl can be very handy to :wink:

[buzzsaw]

Or if you get bored very easily like i do :P , smith the armor/weapons that your going to make. Sell them. Then with the money you have from selling them, put that towards some, or if not all of the ores, and smith some more.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Then once your out of money, you mine the ores and then smith, sell the armor/weapons, buy ores with money......you get the picture :D

[Jason]

Or if you get bored very easily like i do :P , smith the armor/weapons that your going to make. Sell them. Then with the money you have from selling them, put that towards some, or if not all of the ores, and smith some more.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Then once your out of money, you mine the ores and then smith, sell the armor/weapons, buy ores with money......you get the picture :D

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

buzz, only if you played from day 1 rs opened, you'd be number 1 smithing first ;(

[smartme]

can i get WAH?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but i do have to agree kinda in the sense that smithers can't make any dragon items...

[jammy316]

You can merchant from smithing, so its not useless, easy as that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Jam

[S1acker]

smithing rune plates is very profitable if u have 98 or 99 smithing because the price of ore is what 15k each so that means that ur making 60k worth or something and selling it for 80k so how can u say ur not making a profit

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

5k profit from 75k? thats not even 10% gain, not worth it. Smithing scimis and selling at varrock to ppl for 35k gives better returns. Hatchets can go for 20k sometimes so their pretty good as well :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You can merchant from smithing, so its not useless, easy as that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Jam

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

it isnt that great merchanting it...trust me :P Im just happy its positive income ;)

[rcx_boy]

i mined 200 coal, originally planned to smith it but then sold it 210 each.

 

 

 

smithing is obsolete, unless u can do rune or addy

[Creaphis]

For a long time I was obsessed with being able to make my own armor, and I mined all my own stuff too. That put my mining and smithing to around 75 and 68 and made me 2 mil by selling steel plates to Horvik the armorer (over the course of over a year. This was an on and off process.) So... smithing is still a really good way for noobs to make money. I was finally able to make myself full mith at around combat 60, so I didn't have to be the only level 60 person in runescape wearing full steel anymore :oops:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe more people would mine their own ores if smithing xp and mining xp were closer together. Mining and making steel stuff gives you more than twice as much mining xp as it gives smithing xp, so I recently bought coal just so my smithing xp could catch up a little bit. If only 1 coal was required per steel bar, say, then I never would have bought any coal. Skills that go hand in hand like mining and smithing should always give around the same xp if you do everything yourself.

[Ssparxx]

cooking and fishing dont go hand in hand...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

anyways, rs3d made sharks so cheap :( ugggh my only money making skills... TOOK A 50% CUT!!! :(

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i might start mining/smithing...

[Torlen]

I make plenty of money from smithing adn im only 74... Just mine your own ores and alch the stuff you make.

[weltall]

Smithing is no where near obsolete because think of it this way. The other day i was in falador and make 150k+ off of rune legs and rune chest. If you go to the wilderness and get pked and lose those items will it be obsolete if you could make your own things. If you make more armour and save yourself 150k then is it obsolete. People still pay hansomly for rune and addy but you have to know where to look to sell and selling things doesnt come at the drop of a hat. Smithing will never be obsolete because people will always need armour and there will always be someone smithing it.

[noonescamsme]

do u get ur stuff back that was scammed from u :evil:

[S1acker]

err what noonescamsme?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I know what u mean Creaphis, i was obsessed with that too ;) too bad i need to work on mining hehe.

[Guest IcE]

Everyone is saying to mine and then smith and he is telling you that if he buys ores and smiths them he loses money. In turn he would make more money just saving the trouble of smithing and selling the ores that he mines. Also I think he wants to make a profit not just to gain lvls.

[joncaront]

I know that the act of inflation has caused many of runescapes lower level miners and smithers to run for their lives, but they still have the one option I took. MINE!!! Although mining is a long and strenuous task you have to work for money in real life and the same goes for runescape. mining is a great way to make money because you only spend money on a pickaxe and thats it... than you mine forever and you will have plenty of ores to smelt and than smith. but if you buy ores to smith you are making much less money. As some chars become richer they become lazier therefore you see people buying coal for the inflated price of 150-200. This is simply an act of the economic bond in runescape starting to favor those of the upper class and it has always been that way, but when the average lvl 24 char grabs his hands on any form of coal or ore he wants to make as much money on it as possible. That is why inflation is so high today.

[Guest dragon_scyth]

you can make a profit buy addy ores mine the coal you need then smith addy plate and high alck them for 7k and youve made 7k from 5 addy ores at 800gp each...

[funny_fell0w]

smithing is pretty boring if u plans not to use ur money to buy the ores..mining coal and the other stuff like mith or addy or runes can take up a lot time just to gain u a lvl.. therefore ppl began to take advantage of that point to make money by mining and selling for money instead of for skill total..

[psychi]

You don't need 99 mining to be 99 smtihing. 85 works just as good

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thats bs. You dont even need 85 mining :P (proved by yours truly)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And for the topic... Live with it. No one said that traingin of smithing should be free or that you could make money with it.

[Deathbyape]

e"]Am I the only who realizes this skill is now obsolete?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

At the normal price of ores, no smith can buy ores, smith those ores without losing most of their money.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Smithing has ultimately become obsolete; you can't smith anymore.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The prices of ores skyrocket, the prices of armour stay the same, yet people get richer and richer.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Darned inflation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just mine the ore's lazy :P I mined myself to 58 smithing :D

[Guest]

I just had a thought about the long term effects of mining vs. selling ores.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Before I start this, I'm mainly going mainly off of the idea that it's not really how much money you gain, but rather how much money you gain compared to the rest of the runescape population. This really doesn't apply greatly to stuff like buying rune longs from the champs guild (not that anyone still does that), but more to making money to buy items where the prices fluctuation based on the amount of gp in circulation (the most notible example would be in the rare-item market).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you mine your ores and then smith them...you're ultimately going to have to sell the plates, so you'll ultimately become slightly richer. However you also thereby increase the amount of gp in circulation. This causes deflation and ultimately increases the price of whatever else u were going to buy with the gold u made. E.g.- Let's say you mine 1k coal and smith them into plates. You net 120gp each coal and add the full amount into the economy. If another person had 150gp each and u just got 120gp, you're ratio is now 4:5.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you mine your ores and then sell them at a price higher than what you would get if u made them into plates...then not only do you get richer even, u slow down the process of gp in circualation. E.g.- Let's say you mined 1k coal and sold it for 150gp each. Each coal ultimately (let's forget the iron) nets 120gp each if smithed into steel plates. You made 150gp each and the buyer lost 30gp each. Before, you're ratio would be 4:5, but this time it has flipped to 5:4, effectively increasing your money supply compared to his.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you buy your ores then smith them...then you're on the opposite side of the previous paragraph. You face the ratio of 4:5 where u lose 30gp for every 150gp you spend on coal, and the seller gains 150gp. It becomes even more interesting because this ratio is exactly the same as the ratio if you would've mined you're coal instead. You lose money, but at the same time, you lessen the amount of gp coming in also, and therefore it balances out. So therefore, if you really want that blue phat (this is the part where i accept free donations), buying coal probably wont hurt you as much as it seems. In fact, buying the ores will even save you valuable time, while having the same monetary ratio. As I stated earlier, this does not affect items that have a set price (e.g.- the rune long sword) but rather only items which have prices that flucuate based on currency in the economy (e.g.-rare items).

[Guest halifix]

I need to take an economics class-ish.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Smithing goes hand-in-hand with magic, becuz you can't sell some mith items, and all items below that for a good price anymore. If you try to sell steel plate at Horvik's, the selling price is between 400-800 gp. It's worse than selling at general's store, with the starting selling price at 800 gp. There's too many people smithing. So get nature runes and magically change it :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And yes, if you really want to make money, I suggest you start mass mining and selling well, say a price of 200 gp per coal, and whatnot.

[S1acker]

smithing and magic depends on the player. Its more profitable to just sell steel plates at 1 - 1.05k per, considering natures value is about 250 - 300 on the boards, and the high alch price of steel is 1.2k.