The meaning of life, or perhaps im just insane.

[ZealotZ]

erm, i was kinda not in the right mind last night. I think i have something but i was far far too manic to actual articulate it, in the end it was just incoherent blatherings. this, is what i wanted to say:

 

 

 

note: i know i probably misused affect and effect, but only in mixing them up, i think the end result is actually understandable

 

 

 

Chapter I ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâ The Universe

 

 

 

Ok, if I need to explain, then explain I shall. First, my theory of the universe and its lifeline. The universe begins as the big bang explains it, all matter in the universe packs into a perfect ultra dense sphere. It explodes outward, at a constant rate, and follows this path: Life is formed, Life becomes sentient, Life becomes enlightened, and then the universe ends.

 

This is as simple as I can put it, but obviously itÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s only simple to me, and so I have to go on.

 

 

 

 

 

Chapter II ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâ Quantum Physics

 

 

 

It is essential that you understand the basics of quantum physics to understand my theory. Basically, the quantum theory states than on an atomic level, the parts that make up an atom do not follow a pattern for movement, but can be predicted by statistically data. Like, for instance, say you drive down the same road every day and do the exact same thing while driving down it. Does the same thing happen always? No, but does the same thing happen Most of the time? Yes. This is basically The butterfly effect branch of science, and where it gets tricky. The quantum theory states that the movement of the atom (caused by the movements of the atoms particles [which can only be statistically predicted, but not to 100% accuracy, just something like 99.infinite9% accurate {assumed}]) effect all over atoms. Like a ripple. Closer atoms are affected more and farther atoms are affected less and less and less into immeasurable amounts of small. So the act of looks at an object changes the object. The act of thinking about it (brain waves, circuits running, etc etc) changes it, the act of touching most definitely changes it (closer and closer). So this, in turn, means that what you know to be true is true. If you really truly believe that, for example, these words are all explosives, then they are, for you, and they affect you as such. The problem with this lies in sentient thought. Although you may be being blown to bits in your reality, other peopleÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s reality isnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t the same and certainly doesnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t believe that these words are small sticks of dynamite wreaking havoc upon your face, theyÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢d just see you cringing and screaming in imaginary (to them) pain. So they lock you up and medicate you so you no longer see what it is that really did happen to you, just no one else.

 

 

 

 

 

Note I ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâ Infinites

 

 

 

With this train of thought comes a train of a lot of more things too, infinite trains, in fact, and infinite things, too. Basically, it goes like this. There are infinite takes on any action, and if its quantum, then those takes become belief and they happen as such. Now, you may be thinking, then why hasnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t the universe just imploded, exploded, or reploded. And the answer is sentient though.

 

 

 

 

 

Chapter III ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâ Sentient Thought

 

 

 

Now again with theory. It is my firm belief that sentient thought is the instillation of the knowledge of what things are and the ability to analyze them and what things are not. So our world as a whole believes that gravity is 9.8m/s, then it mostly is. But when one person changes that, they switch off into another universe and float away (or maybe gravity just becomes 9.9m/s, it doesnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t matter), but they also stay here. So while theyÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢re altering their reality, we donÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t believe that this is how is it, and so we see something different, and so does everyone else. So there are infinite choices being made and infinite scenarios being played out with infinite ends infinitely. And this brings me to the oscillation of the universe.

 

 

 

 

 

Note II ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâ Oscillating Universe

 

 

 

At the end of each universe (thereÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s infinite of them, remember?) is the period when all sentient thought becomes enlightened, and so all possibilities in that world are exhausted so it ends (imploding exploding reploding whatever is doesnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t matter).

 

 

 

 

 

Chapter IV ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâ Enlightenment

 

 

 

I use this term ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¹ÃâenlightenmentÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢ loosely because it has many names. That is what it is for the Buddhists. They train their body and minds a lifetime in order to achieve what many religions believe is achieved at death. The meaning of life, experiencing all possibilities at once. This is only achieved by overriding our sentient-ness. So to experience this, you have to believe with all of your being that life is infinite and so are the possibilities and effects therein. This is done by realizing that we are the sentient part of this universal cycle, and therefore we much do are part to make this universe enlightened. This is why religion was created. Take Jesus. He was a man. But he was a genius, he was enlightened, and he knew how to tell others how to be so. And his take on it (how he believed the world would eventually become enlightened) was God, faith, and end of the world predictions. Follow one who was not of this world to unite the world, believing blindly in his existence and word (the Bible), and you shall be free. His word (actually written by JesusÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢ disciples [who were enlightened] to be the guide that shall be followed in order to achieve enlightenment) prophesized the end of the world, the coming of the antichrist (he who would be able enlighten those without faith), and an army would rise and conquer the earth. This will be no actual army or war, just those with faith and without alike becoming enlightened until all sentient life is gone and all possibilities happen at once (including nothing, the end of the world, the creations of a new world, and such). Mayans came from enlightened people and they ended their calendars at 2012, their end. JehovaÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s Witnesses are also on enlightened decent, for they prophesize the world uniting as one and then the end (sound familiar?). The actual end is still unknown, as is our infinite future, but it will happen when every sentient in this universe can accept that the universe is ending.

 

 

 

 

 

Chapter V ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâ The ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¹ÃâProofÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢

 

 

 

This is my answer, and hopefully others the ultimate question: what our purpose. Many have done it through religion, others have tried science (and then thereÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s philosophy, which is just trying to bring proof through abstract thought, and spiritual circles [if you will], which try just bring acceptance through their teachings, and then, of course, there are others [like cults with mass suicides {the principle, I think, being that the more who die or ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¹Ãâare enlightenedÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢ at once, the truer it is}]). The quantum theory is branch of science that is the sum of all scientists trying to explain enlightenment without faith, and this, I hope, takes us one step closer to that.

 

 

 

 

 

Notes

 

 

 

The oscillating universe is just a theory. Really this universe became with sentient life and at that moment our entire past and creation of this universe became plotted. Or at least that is what I believe, this part is semi-open-ended.

[Purecheese]

Well that's a seriously nice mistreatment of physics and mathematics.

 

 

 

:wall: :ohnoes:

[ZealotZ]

grr comments, i want discussion. why is it nice why is it wrong why!!

[How2PK]

I stopped reading at chapter two because I don't know basic quantem physics. Apologies accepted though.

[ZealotZ]

keep reading, i try to explain. the point of this was that people beforehand had known the meaning of life and tried to tell the world. there's many diferent forms of it, but it all comes down to one thing, how it will end.

[Majyk]

And why did you feel the need to share this with the rest of the class?

[ZealotZ]

why? because i believe that at least my meaning of life if not everyone elses is to bring the world closer to enlightenment. this writing tries to explain what that means.

[pianofrieak2]

I am familiar with parts of quantum mechanics but you lost me totally on Chapter two.

 

 

 

1. Quantum mechanics deals with how things move. Yes, it is completely based on statistical probability but that's only as current as our theory goes.

 

2. What is the ripple effect? I'm lost.

 

3. How do you explain quantum mechanics as properties of how we look at the world? How does my "thinking" or "looking" at something change what it really is?

 

4. Why do you think sentient thought actually changes matter?

 

 

 

You're really big into mind-over-matter apparently.

[Ragen]

That seems to be a plausable theory. That bit about sentinent thought seems a bit dodgy though. Did you mean that an enlightened one is on all the universes planes at once? Because they managed to break free from normal thinking? To be honest I would just call that madness. But it does seem pretty plausable. Good read.

 

 

 

Edit - Then again it all went over my head.

[Purecheese]

grr comments, i want discussion. why is it nice why is it wrong why!!

The piece on quantum mechanics is nothing more then a bunch of fancy terms thrown together. Some of which have absolutely nothing to do with eachother.

 

 

 

The chaos theory (butterfly effect) describe non lineair function in which a small change in start conditions has drastic effects later on. This has little to do with the uncertainty that comes with quantummechanics as this uncertainty (heisenberg uncertainty principle) is not time dependent.

 

 

 

The ripple of effect you're talking about is not quantum mechanical in origin. It finds it origin in coulomb attraction and gravity between atoms. The only thing that's quantummechanical about it is the word "Ripple" which refers to the wave function that defines the probability to find a particle/atom at a certain point in space.

 

 

 

You're right on the fact that measurements on a particle affect its wave function (it collapses). Which means that either the impuls or the location of the particle becomes entirely undetermined and the other determined.

 

The measurement makes itself, yes. The result is made by the measurement, but the result is not known before the measurement is done. You do not know the result before it's there and thus it does not mean that what you know to be true is true. You just know what is true and that truth happens to be made by your measurement.

 

 

 

So all in all chapter II is nothing less then a lot of fancy words thrown together without knowing anything about, it's nonsense. Seeing as it's chapter II and the rest of the chapters use some of the results of chapter II it leaves me with the conclusion that it's all nonsense.

[Faux]

Thanks for the headache

 

 

 

[knives669]

Quite a good read indeed.

 

 

 

The part where you were talking about qantum physics reminded me of the Chaos Theory.

 

 

 

I'd have to say it seems you put alot of thought into this, and I think you did a very good job explaining it. Of course, you base alot of things on theories.

[kelem_ryu]

 

You're right on the fact that measurements on a particle affect its wave function (it collapses). Which means that either the impuls or the location of the particle becomes entirely undetermined and the other determined.

 

The measurement makes itself, yes. The result is made by the measurement, but the result is not known before the measurement is done. You do not know the result before it's there and thus it does not mean that what you know to be true is true. You just know what is true and that truth happens to be made by your measurement.

 

 

 

 

so before the measurement you not even don't know it's properties, instead it has no properties at all and only if it is measured it becomes determined?

 

 

 

if right then cool! considering that being, isness (don't know the proper name for this ontological term in english) is pure indeterminism. gives me something to think about.

 

 

 

Of course, you base alot of things on theories.

 

 

 

as far as i know, the only theories that are proven are mathematical theories. all others can't be proven, because you'd always need to use your senses to do so. you can't prove that youre senses are telling the truth. (might seem like that's only splitting hairs, but it's all important in epistemology.)

 

 

 

that means to establish any sientific prove at all, you first have to BELIEVE, that your senses are telling the truth. wich in turn means, that sience is based on believe.

[Death_By_Pod]

 

so before the measurement you not even don't know it's properties, instead it has no properties at all and only if it is measured it becomes determined?

 

 

 

as far as i know, the only theories that are proven are mathematical theories. all others can't be proven, because you'd always need to use your senses to do so. you can't prove that youre senses are telling the truth. (might seem like that's only splitting hairs, but it's all important in epistemology.)

 

 

 

Before you 'measure' something, it is the superposition of all possible properties. For example if someone asks you to check if the pie in oven is cooked, you don't know if it is uncooked, cooked or burnt. Before you check the pie it could be in any cooked state.

 

 

 

Physics shares the same basis with Mathematics, so physics can be proved through the use of mathematics. Things like Chemistry, Biology and Geology are derived from physics, hence they can also be proved through mathematics (as they share the same basis with physics; which is shared with mathematics).

 

 

 

Of course, you base alot of things on theories.

 

 

 

If by theories, you mean guesses; then yeahÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâæ there isnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t a single piece of mathematics in his work, itÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¢â¬ÅNew AgeÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬ÃâÃ

[Greatsilverwyrm]

All I have to say is "LOL".

 

 

 

I hate to use that term, I really do.. but...

 

 

 

Are you high or something? I mean, seriously can I get some of stuff you're on? It seems pretty sweet.

 

 

 

 

 

Two possible explinations for the original post:

 

 

 

Theory I - You're High

 

You see, when you take drugs, whether it be pot or crack or any other narcotic, your judgement becomes impaired, and you get all kinds of crazy ideas...

 

 

 

Theory II - You're Trying to Sound Like an Intellectual

 

Sometimes people like to think they're smarter than they are, or want people to beleive that they're smarter than they are, so they post stuff like this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Drivel. Pure and simple. Drivel.

 

 

 

 

 

Note I - Why the Original Post was Drivel

 

I've noted possible motivations for said drivel, but not why it is drivel. I think PureCheese said it best when he described "Chapter II" as a "bunch of fancy terms thrown together". "Quantum Mechanics", "The Butterfly Effect", etc.: all buzz-words used in completely innane ways. Most of the rest of the post was the same, buzz-words used in innane ways. Things that weren't that were just random blitherings that ammounted to saying "everything is relative".

[blushenka]

You had me right until here:

 

JehovaÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s Witnesses are also on enlightened decent, for they prophesize the world uniting as one and then the end

 

 

 

Seriously, there's nothing concrete in what you said, just a bunch of abstract stuff. Whenever I come across arguments such as this, meant to explain the meaning of life, (being the suspicious person that I am and having had such experiences) I can't help but wonder whether you have an agenda of your own, like, for instance, belonging to a certain religious group that seeks followers. *Apologies in advance if it's not the case.

 

 

 

I completely agree with what you said in "Chapter II", that stuff has been formulated before.

 

But maybe I'm not enlightened enough (sorry ;p) to understand what follows. So, if we all become enlightened the world will end, right? But we won't be sad about it cause we're enlightened?

[ZealotZ]

ok, now we're getting somewhere.

 

 

 

first, let me clear something up.

 

 

 

i use terms such as the butterfly and ripple effect because they are terms that the average person can understand.

 

 

 

what i was trying to get across in my chapter about quantum physics is that matter is always changing and every act changes it. i am not exactly sure How looking at an object changes its state, but it does, and it has been proven to. its like this test on applying abstract thoughts to water... let me see if i can find a link

 

 

 

here we go: http://www.whatthebleep.com/crystals/

 

 

 

the movie 'what the bleep do we know' is also a good watch.

 

 

 

the part on sentient thought i do agree seems a bit off. it kind of deals with a god. basically god was the first sentient being in this universe, and as such he could shape it as he willed. so when 'it' became sentient, the universe was formed as 'it' willed it to be, and all sentient creatures from then on knew the world to be as it was. basically it instilled the knowledge into sentient life after the first the laws of this world like gravity solids science etc.

 

 

 

to purecheese: no it wasnt just a bunch of fancy terms. it was an attempt to explain at least part of the quantum theory in words most everyone would understand, if you think what im saying is nonsense, then look at the wikipedia on the quantum theory, a lot of my info came from there.

 

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_mechanics

 

 

 

 

 

and to Greatsilverwyrm: you add nothing to this discussion except to attempt to disprove everything i say by saying nothing at all worth reading. come back when you have something to add to the conversation besides making fun of me

[Kiriyama]

life has no meaning.

[ZealotZ]

thank you mr. emo

[Ragen]

life has no meaning.

 

 

 

It has as much meaning as you let it. Some people will not give a **** about there life all the way through. Some will cherish it. But that is a philisophical debate and what I think the OP wanted was an advanced physics debate. Am I right?

[indy500fan]

thank you mr. emo

 

 

 

you arent automatically emo if you think life has no meaning. i dont think life has any meaning, and i am anything but emo.

 

 

 

it depends on how you take it once you figure it out. emo kids get depressed when they figure it out. i was indifferent.

[edicius]

life has no meaning.

 

it wouldn't be life if you weren't wasting it.

[Quer_Skulll]

in chapter IV are you saying that when people all understand and are enlighted, when every single one is.. then the world will end?

 

nonesense the earth or universe is not affected by our thoughts..

 

 

 

if not you'll have to explain differently because what you wrote is kind of a mess :-#

[Oy_the_Great]

thank you mr. emo

 

i was indifferent.

 

 

 

Copy that. Except I think the meaning of our lives is that we're here for no obvious reason, but to have fun, and let others around us enjoy that fun.

 

So basically, party and get drunk as much as you want, as long as it doesn't harm anyone else. And try to make people happy, it'll make you happier too, so that your life has had any meaning after you decompose.

[ZealotZ]

i didnt mean that as an assumption i just ment it as its ridiculous to say life has no meaning. because the only time it doesnt is when you let it. and what i was saying about enlightenment is that when you become enlightened you can do anything, and the only thing holding this world together is the fact that sentient thought believes it exists and needs it to maintain its own life. so when all of sentient thought (all of the human race) can accept that anything is possible (be enlightened), then we will no longer need to follow the rules of this universe and there will be no sentient thought to govern it, so it will fade.

 

 

 

oh, and to oy: thats a good way to live life, one of the best. 'do what thy will, as long as it harms none'