Catholicism

[blue107]

i was born and raised a catholic and all the rules that come with it and have always wondered where these rules come from,where did the pope come from?

 

 

 

there is not a single mention in the bible of a group of people leading the church of god and forcing them to follow thier views. it seems that one day a group of people stood up and claimed to speak in the name of god

 

 

 

this group of people caused a time in history where religions were fighting other religions over a plot of land. its called the crusades which brings up another point-whats with protestants? they call themselves the religion of god but they broke off of catholicism during the crusades so they wouldnt have to die.

 

 

 

my last point is the 2 parts of the bible, the new testament and the old. the old testament has a god with extremely strict rules like in exodus doesnt it say you should kill a goat once a week and if you dont youre going to hell? he also says that jews are the people of god yet in the new testament jesus claims the jews are going to hell. could the old and new testaments be 2 completely different religions is what im saying. jesus teaches that aslong as you believe in him in your heart and accept him as your savior you are getting into heaven, but in the old testament you must follow all of these rules in order to get into the kingdom of heaven

[LGBR]

so i guess you really were serious when i mentioned the whole idea to you lol

 

 

 

i guess you have been waiting for someone to agree with you lol

[runesmithie]

jesus teaches that aslong as you believe in him in your heart and accept him as your savior you are getting into heaven, but in the old testament you must follow all of these rules in order to get into the kingdom of heaven

 

 

 

I know this part! :P It's because Jesus had not been born yet.

[LGBR]

i dont get what youre saying lol

[runesmithie]

i dont get what youre saying lol

 

 

 

Well, you can't really believe in something if it had not been even thought of yet by any mortals :)

[Icingdeath]

Meh, I dislike being a Catholic because of all the stuff I'm told I HAVE to do, or else I'll burn for eternity. None of the stuff that people tell me is actually IN the Bible.

[blue107]

thats my whole point, and to rune smithie- the old testament was written long before jesus

[pianofrieak2]

Let me clarify about the Old Testament and the New Testament.

 

 

 

1. The Old Testament is, as someone pointed out before, without Jesus. Now many theologians believe Jesus was the King of Peace (Melchizadek) that Abraham tithed to but that's really beside the point. Basically, Jesus had not come yet and, so, one had sins and was separated from God. To fix that, one had to perform sacrifices to COVER (for a time) your sins allowing you to be close to God. (For your information, Jesus came to wipe out our sins by His blood...He came with a new covenant.)

 

 

 

2. They are both a part of God's inspired word (2 Timothy 3:16), but they both describe completely different covenants of salvation. In the Old Testament, you had to undergo rituals to cover your sin whereas the New Testament is about Jesus wiping away your sins and giving you a new heart (a new nature that is not inclined towards evil...it is used to combat your evil nature). Jesus' covenant focuses on one's motive whereas the Old Testament is about one's actions.

 

 

 

i was born and raised a catholic and all the rules that come with it and have always wondered where these rules come from,where did the pope come from?

 

 

 

I really don't know how the Catholic church was founded. I do know that they believe the pope to be St. Peter in the world. St. Peter was, for all that don't know, the one that Jesus was going to "build [his] church." Unfortunately, man's sinful nature must be in check, and so when the church had absolute authority (i.e. Middle Ages), it became corrupted and began using all different tools to increase their income and prestige. Crusades are a part of this.

 

 

 

The rules were made to help people understand the Bible since no one could read the Bible. The priest had to show them what it meant and what it said. Now that people can read the Bible for themselves, the church can't lie to the people for extra money. :)

 

 

 

there is not a single mention in the bible of a group of people leading the church of god and forcing them to follow thier views. it seems that one day a group of people stood up and claimed to speak in the name of god

 

 

 

Now hold on there. Think about what you said. The apostles (disciples) were the ones who were the closest to Jesus. They wrote down what He siad and did. They were his "rabbis-in-training." Now the Bible had not been written yet. Who could you trust for what Jesus said other than them? Obviously, no one. It was their letters (and Paul's especially) that told the leaders of different churches in different cities to tell them basic theology. Ayone who followed their teachings was labeled a "Christ-follower" or a Christian.

 

 

 

The key leadership in the church was the apostles who were scattered. Some in Jerusalem and others elsewhere in that area. But big disputes within the church went to the elders in Jerusalem. Unfortunately, the Jewish leaders were so enraged that they were losing followers to this new religion, they hunted and pursued the apostles. Everyone of them died a terrible death but John who died alone on the Island of Patmos.

 

 

 

this group of people caused a time in history where religions were fighting other religions over a plot of land. its called the crusades which brings up another point-whats with protestants? they call themselves the religion of god but they broke off of catholicism during the crusades so they wouldnt have to die.

 

 

 

Protestants were those who were not Catholic. It's like Jew and Gentile.

 

And that's not exactly correcdt. The Protestants were founded with the rise of Martin Luther, those who said the Bible talked about salvation by faith instead of by giving money to get sins forgiven. They didn't break off so they wouldn't die. Actually, if they DID break off, they would have been hunted down and killed.

 

 

 

my last point is the 2 parts of the bible, the new testament and the old. the old testament has a god with extremely strict rules like in exodus doesnt it say you should kill a goat once a week and if you dont youre going to hell? he also says that jews are the people of god yet in the new testament jesus claims the jews are going to hell. could the old and new testaments be 2 completely different religions is what im saying. jesus teaches that aslong as you believe in him in your heart and accept him as your savior you are getting into heaven, but in the old testament you must follow all of these rules in order to get into the kingdom of heaven

 

 

 

1. Don't quote the Bible and then put words in that you don't know exist. (Goats and hell)

 

2. See my above portion to answer your question.

[Adam007]

 

my last point is the 2 parts of the bible, the new testament and the old. the old testament has a god with extremely strict rules like in exodus doesnt it say you should kill a goat once a week and if you dont youre going to hell? he also says that jews are the people of god yet in the new testament jesus claims the jews are going to hell. could the old and new testaments be 2 completely different religions is what im saying. jesus teaches that aslong as you believe in him in your heart and accept him as your savior you are getting into heaven, but in the old testament you must follow all of these rules in order to get into the kingdom of heaven

 

Well the old testament is basically the Torah I think. The new testament is a bunch of added stuff, everything with the christian religion. As a jew I completely ignore the new testament as I don't believe in it, and in that case everything makes sense. As for christians, I can see how things could be confusing.

[blue107]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

my last point is the 2 parts of the bible, the new testament and the old. the old testament has a god with extremely strict rules like in exodus doesnt it say you should kill a goat once a week and if you dont youre going to hell? he also says that jews are the people of god yet in the new testament jesus claims the jews are going to hell. could the old and new testaments be 2 completely different religions is what im saying. jesus teaches that aslong as you believe in him in your heart and accept him as your savior you are getting into heaven, but in the old testament you must follow all of these rules in order to get into the kingdom of heaven

 

 

 

1. Don't quote the Bible and then put words in that you don't know exist. (Goats and hell)

 

2. See my above portion to answer your question.

"From now on,this month will be the first month of the year for you. Announce to the whole community that on the tenth day of this month each family must choose a lamb or a yound goat for a sacrafice." Exodus 12:2

[Faux]

"From now on,this month will be the first month of the year for you. Announce to the whole community that on the tenth day of this month each family must choose a lamb or a yound goat for a sacrafice." Exodus 12:2

 

 

 

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Exd/Exd012.html#2

[Oy_the_Great]

Lol, the way this translation of the Bible is phrased makes me think of that scene in MP and the Holy Grail:

 

And St. Attila raised his hand grenade up on high saying

 

"O Lord bless this thy hand grenade that with it thou mayest blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy. "and the Lord did grin and people did feast upon the lambs and sloths and carp and anchovies and orang-utans and breakfast cereals and fruit bats and...

 

and the Lord spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin, then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shalt be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thou foe, who being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.

 

 

 

:D

[BenBru]

Lol, the way this translation of the Bible is phrased makes me think of that scene in MP and the Holy Grail:

 

And St. Attila raised his hand grenade up on high saying

 

"O Lord bless this thy hand grenade that with it thou mayest blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy. "and the Lord did grin and people did feast upon the lambs and sloths and carp and anchovies and orang-utans and breakfast cereals and fruit bats and...

 

and the Lord spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin, then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shalt be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thou foe, who being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.

 

 

 

:D

 

 

 

One, two, five! Three sir, three! :lol:

[runesmithie]

thats my whole point, and to rune smithie- the old testament was written long before jesus

 

 

 

That's what I was saying??

[rakaminko]

i thought zammy was god???