You have misread my post. Read the last section again. Creationism is science. I can present you with many books, articles, and websites full of factual information that make good points for and against Creationism and Evolution. They're both plausible theories. And so, they should be taught equally.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How is creationism science, and where is the factual evidence for it? (And strictly speaking, looking at different religions, though their creation stories are similiar, they're hardly the same. What invalidates Hindu creationism?)

Good old GhostRanger, still using the "Non-religious people have no morals at all, therefore religion > all!" argument!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have no religion, I never have. Currently, I have yet to shoot you in the face, so there's a moral, and I am going to be 20 in 2 months and I am still a virgin, because I feel that dry-humping every herpes infested skank within arms reach is not the right thing to do. Nothing religious about it, it's just disgusting. So there's another. I also don't do drugs, smoke, or drink, because it's a waste. There's another. Need I continue? Oh yes, we non-religious folk are the scum of Earth!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I find it hilarious. I'm in the same boat as Merc, only a little different...You see, I'm on of those people who WANT to believe in God, but can't because of the sheer amount of rediculousness it's followers make the religion out to be. If you truely were a Crusader, a fighter for your religion, a fighter for what it stands for and what is right, you wouldn't let your "leaders" do the horrible things they do. Aren't you the guy that claimed to go to Ted Haggard's church? I think it was you, but it might not have been...Either way, Ted Haggard, Peter Poppoff, Benny Hinn...These are the people you let speak on behalf of your religion. And your followers CHEER when they speak and do things.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ted Haggard spoke out openly about homosexual intolerance, yet he was screwing guys on the side for years.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Benny Hinn and Peter Poppoff both steal money from people blind enough to follow them and their "Zomg I can heal you!!11" crap, even though the Bible clearly states that noone on this Earth, save for Jesus himself, could ever heal ANYONE in such a manner. More-so, it says to watch out for false prophets who say they can. I guess I'll give ole' Ted credit for the fact that he didn't claim to heal people. He did, however, preach in a multi-million dollar church, brainwashing children with new-age Christian rock music and the like. I'll take that credit back, actually.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Know what I saw the other week on TV? Benny Hinn having the audacity to ask people for $1,000 donations (each!) to pay off a private jet to spread the word of God. When I told my friend about this, who is a Jehova's Witness (she and they are not cultists, no matter how much you claim them to be, at least they don't tell their children they'll burn in fire for eternity if they don't act "right"), she laughed her [wagon] off. For good reason, too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

People like him are the "leader" figures of your religion. THAT is why people hate it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Please, stop preaching that we have no morals. Again, like the last argument we all had, you are raising yourself above us, and you need not. For if there is a God, and there is a Jesus, surely you and the people who think like you will be the first to be judged by him accordingly...And you probably won't like the outcome.

Oh, and creationism is not a science and never will be. Even if it were proven fact TODAY, it cannot be a science. Science is the study of OUR natural world. By definition, God is not even of this world. He only created it, assuming creationism were to be true.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I can already hear the "If he created Earth, he created science, thus it's a science."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Too bad. It isn't. Like I said, study of our natural world today.

 

Does religion have a place in the worlds schools and educational institutes?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Is Intellegent Design\Creationalism a verifiable science?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Does Religion has a place in society at all?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A strong no to all. Especially Creation-Science. Because it holds absolutely no credibilty.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Pretty much ditto what everyone else said. I'll gladly learn about other religions, and I can't see a problem with religious schools of choice.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Neither does Evolution. But science tries to push that onto us as if it is fact, when they have no true idea about the creation of the universe. But yeah I do agree to an extent that creation shouldn't obviously be taught as a verifiable science but as a religious studies course.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I personally go to a Anglican/Christian high school and we got taught this year about all the other religions. Its good to know about the other religions and what they believe in.

 

Especially Creation-Science. Because it holds absolutely no credibilty.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Neither does Evolution.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That again?

 

 

Especially Creation-Science. Because it holds absolutely no credibilty.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Neither does Evolution.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That again?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think we have exhausted that thread. Feel free to add something if you want. But be sure to read the first 20 pages to make sure no one else has posted what you have. :-w

Good old GhostRanger, still using the "Non-religious people have no morals at all, therefore religion > all!" argument!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2. Not all atheists have morals - and some atheists have morals that could be considered "evil' by plenty of people. That's my point. Religion has done evil things - but so have atheists. Your point is ridiculous.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My point isn't that atheists don't have morals, my point is that atheists without morals do evil just like religion can do evil. The point isn't that atheists can't have morals, the point is there is evil happening on both sides.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm clearly defining that some atheists have morals, and some atheists do not.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good ol Tigra! He still doesn't know how to read!

Essentially there are people in the world who simply lack morals, or have morals so extreme to the negative they might as well not have anything.

 

 

 

On both sides.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's common sense. Morality really shouldn't get brought into anything - especially since it's majorly subjective :-?

don't even get me started on this subject

don't even get me started on this subject

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Please share your opinions?

 

Good old GhostRanger, still using the "Non-religious people have no morals at all, therefore religion > all!" argument!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2. Not all atheists have morals - and some atheists have morals that could be considered "evil' by plenty of people. That's my point. Religion has done evil things - but so have atheists. Your point is ridiculous.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My point isn't that atheists don't have morals, my point is that atheists without morals do evil just like religion can do evil. The point isn't that atheists can't have morals, the point is there is evil happening on both sides.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm clearly defining that some atheists have morals, and some atheists do not.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good ol Tigra! He still doesn't know how to read!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Umm..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good thing your exact quote, before any of that, was:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Atheists do plenty of harm because they don't believe in any form of morality.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. Raise yourself above others.

 

 

 

2. ???

 

 

 

3. Profit.

 

 

Good old GhostRanger, still using the "Non-religious people have no morals at all, therefore religion > all!" argument!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2. Not all atheists have morals - and some atheists have morals that could be considered "evil' by plenty of people. That's my point. Religion has done evil things - but so have atheists. Your point is ridiculous.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My point isn't that atheists don't have morals, my point is that atheists without morals do evil just like religion can do evil. The point isn't that atheists can't have morals, the point is there is evil happening on both sides.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm clearly defining that some atheists have morals, and some atheists do not.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good ol Tigra! He still doesn't know how to read!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Umm..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good thing your exact quote, before any of that, was:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Atheists do plenty of harm because they don't believe in any form of morality.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. Raise yourself above others.

 

 

 

2. ???

 

 

 

3. Profit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Exactly. I wrote that before any of that which means I clarified because it was not in my original intent to write it the way I did. Don't try and call me out for something I have already corrected and made a point to clarify.

It really doesn't matter that you explained further. If you didn't think it, you wouldn't have wrote it and left it there like that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's okay. I'm fully aware your church preaches that you are better than others and that non-church goers have no morals. It's only right for you to believe it. Afterall, they told you it is true!

It really doesn't matter that you explained further. If you didn't think it, you wouldn't have wrote it and left it there like that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's okay. I'm fully aware your church preaches that you are better than others and that non-church goers have no morals. It's only right for you to believe it. Afterall, they told you it is true!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not all religious people are fanatical like that though, but many are.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The statement

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My point isn't that atheists don't have morals, my point is that atheists without morals do evil just like religion can do evil. The point isn't that atheists can't have morals, the point is there is evil happening on both sides.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

is true, a religion does NOT define morals and who has or doesn't have them. There are priests who molest children, and there are hardline atheists who create shelters for the homeless, donate to charities and help everyone.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Then there are equally helpful christians and atheists who murder and rob.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But definitely, the most ridiculous argument I've seen is the claim on some forums (including tip.it, if my memory serves me right) that "all morality originates from God". That is too wrong on many levels to start even commenting.

It really doesn't matter that you explained further. If you didn't think it, you wouldn't have wrote it and left it there like that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's okay. I'm fully aware your church preaches that you are better than others and that non-church goers have no morals. It's only right for you to believe it. Afterall, they told you it is true!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I explained it further because I worded it incorrectly. I didn't mean for it to appear that I think that ALL atheists have morals - my point was that there is evil on both sides - atheists who don't have morals (not all atheists) do evil as well as people who belong to religion can do evil.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I explained what I meant because I realized that what I wrote came across incorrectly - you can't try and throw something in my face after I've already clarified that what I wrote initially wasn't the point I was trying to make.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have said numerous times on this board that plenty of atheists have very strong morals and I have said plenty of times that I don't believe Christians are any better than non-Christians. I'm sorry that you have selective memory and try to ignore me when I clarify my point because you want me to believe something I don't so you can mock me for it.