Why is?

[kelem_ryu]

Why is? instead of not? I mean why do things exist? There could as well exist nothing instead, yet there is existance.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think, that fact that there is existance (i'll just take it as a fact, since i can perceive things, cogito ergo sum and that.) can't possibly be coincidence. I doubt it is chance, that there is something instead of plain nothingness. So i'd suggest, that the very fabric of (how do i call something that includes both nothing and something, can't call it space, because then it already is something) has "properties that "force" existance to be.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Or in other words: My theory is that it is impossible that there is nothing, because otherwise there would be nothing. Although i have a feeling, that actually that what we perceive as something really is nothing, but i wouldn't know how to solve that paradox.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Any thoughts on this? Somehow i feel this issue is fundamental, but maybe the answer would be mind blowing or completely incomprehensible. Maybe though, the whole question is completely irrelevant for my existance (and yours for that matter).

[Viktorkrum77]

Or in other words: My theory is that it is impossible that there is nothing, because otherwise there would be nothing. Although i have a feeling, that actually that what we perceive as something really is nothing, but i wouldn't know how to solve that paradox.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's impossible for nothing to exist. I think...

[vmser]

You make no sense.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And well.. I have a feeling this is more of a semantics discussion then a 'big theory' one..

[TheHorror]

Dude you can go on all day about exsistence and meta physics, but dont ...it can make you go freakin crazy..seriously

[vmser]

 

Or in other words: My theory is that it is impossible that there is nothing, because otherwise there would be nothing. Although i have a feeling, that actually that what we perceive as something really is nothing, but i wouldn't know how to solve that paradox.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's impossible for nothing to exist. I think...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, technically it would probably be possible to created a box which holds NOTHING at all (no gasses, no energy, ...). The concept 'nothing' can perfectly be defined.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So what is the question here? Does 'nothing' exist, or is there nothing that actually exists?

[deloriagod]

Dude you can go on all day about exsistence and meta physics, but dont ...it can make you go freakin crazy..seriously

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If insanity is the punishment, then let me go crazy..

[Lionheart_0]

As once said

 

 

 

"I exist because i think". Nothing else might exist because it could just be the mind perceiving it, but beyond that, how can the mind not exist since we know its does, since we know and think it must exist, or else we couldn't be conscious.

[TheHorror]

If insanity is the punishment, then let me go crazy..

 

 

 

So youd rather sit an contemplate on an idea and go crazy, than live? You must throw one hell of a christmas party! :lol:

[kelem_ryu]

I'll try the question again, in case it wasn't clear: why is there anything at all?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dude you can go on all day about exsistence and meta physics, but dont ...it can make you go freakin crazy..seriously

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I know. I also know that insanity isn't exactly a fun state to be in. It's not that i'd ponder that question all the time. Sometimes it bugs me though.

[Lionheart_0]

I'll try the question again, in case it wasn't clear: why is there anything at all?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Because there is. Thats all you need to know. Now leave it be.

[kelem_ryu]

 

I'll try the question again, in case it wasn't clear: why is there anything at all?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Because there is. Thats all you need to know. Now leave it be.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well okay. It's just that there are discussions like this one going on all the time on this forum, so i thought i'll ask the one that puzzles me most.

[deloriagod]

 

If insanity is the punishment, then let me go crazy..

 

 

 

So youd rather sit an contemplate on an idea and go crazy, than live? You must throw one hell of a christmas party! :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I spend Christmas with my family so it's not too lively as it is. Every breath I take is another moment I live and so in insanity I still live. You can't imagine the endless hours I spend thinking (most of which is done during school when I don't have friends around). The only time I don't think about ideas/theories is when I'm around friends.

[kelem_ryu]

 

 

If insanity is the punishment, then let me go crazy..

 

 

 

So youd rather sit an contemplate on an idea and go crazy, than live? You must throw one hell of a christmas party! :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I spend Christmas with my family so it's not too lively as it is. Every breath I take is another moment I live and so in insanity I still live. You can't imagine the endless hours I spend thinking (most of which is done during school when I don't have friends around). The only time I don't think about ideas/theories is when I'm around friends.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

TheHorror is right though: Thinking can drive you pretty mad and can also make you depressed. So make sure you think yourself a safety net, otherwise you might fall and there seems to be no bottom. Then again if there is a bottom, then i really would like to know what it is like. That's what keeps me thinking.

[deloriagod]

 

 

 

If insanity is the punishment, then let me go crazy..

 

 

 

So youd rather sit an contemplate on an idea and go crazy, than live? You must throw one hell of a christmas party! :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I spend Christmas with my family so it's not too lively as it is. Every breath I take is another moment I live and so in insanity I still live. You can't imagine the endless hours I spend thinking (most of which is done during school when I don't have friends around). The only time I don't think about ideas/theories is when I'm around friends.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

TheHorror is right though: Thinking can drive you pretty mad and can also make you depressed. So make sure you think yourself a safety net, otherwise you might fall and there seems to be no bottom. Then again if there is a bottom, then i really would like to know what it is like. That's what keeps me thinking.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If thinking can lead to depression I think I should have thought up a safety net long ago seeing as how I've been depressed for quite some time. Though I suppose if I go crazy doing what I enjoy then I haven't comepletely wasted my life.

[thedepressedsquirrel]

Why isn't?

[Mr_Hyde1218]

As once said

 

 

 

"I exist because i think". Nothing else might exist because it could just be the mind perceiving it, but beyond that, how can the mind not exist since we know its does, since we know and think it must exist, or else we couldn't be conscious.

if this is true, why does everyone agree on this same idea? wouldn't the individual perception for everyone of this same idea be different?

 

 

 

do you has?

[thedepressedsquirrel]

 

 

 

do you has?

 

 

 

has one not?

[warri0r45]

It's impossible for nothing to exist. I think...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

metaphysics neednt be so complicated and mind boggling.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

we exist, things exist, the computer you are looking at exists. It is, and existance will never not be. If it werent, there wouldnt be anyone to ascertain as to whether or not it does exist.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

its all a battle with words. Dont let it get to you. Listen to music. Watch the clouds go by, whatever.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

interesting topic though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but for the sake of the topic, heres a metaphysical question - when does an object cease to exist? When its broken? melted down? cracked? consumed? cut in half? quarters? what do u rekon...

[kelem_ryu]

 

 

 

 

If insanity is the punishment, then let me go crazy..

 

 

 

So youd rather sit an contemplate on an idea and go crazy, than live? You must throw one hell of a christmas party! :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I spend Christmas with my family so it's not too lively as it is. Every breath I take is another moment I live and so in insanity I still live. You can't imagine the endless hours I spend thinking (most of which is done during school when I don't have friends around). The only time I don't think about ideas/theories is when I'm around friends.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

TheHorror is right though: Thinking can drive you pretty mad and can also make you depressed. So make sure you think yourself a safety net, otherwise you might fall and there seems to be no bottom. Then again if there is a bottom, then i really would like to know what it is like. That's what keeps me thinking.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If thinking can lead to depression I think I should have thought up a safety net long ago seeing as how I've been depressed for quite some time. Though I suppose if I go crazy doing what I enjoy then I haven't comepletely wasted my life.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nah, not that bad. Just think a little about what you think and find out, how you feel about certain thoughts. If they make you feel bad, then find out why that is so and how you can change them make you feel bad.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also remember that there are things that are commonly accepted and a common concept on how you ought to think and how you ought to behave. So i'd suggest you retain some connection to these common places. If you wander too far astray you will be perceived as insane and maybe even think of yourself as insane. Also remember that being happy wouldn't hurt, so if you can pick up this state of mind somewhere along your travel ...

[kelem_ryu]

 

It's impossible for nothing to exist. I think...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

metaphysics neednt be so complicated and mind boggling.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

we exist, things exist, the computer you are looking at exists. It is, and existance will never not be. If it werent, there wouldnt be anyone to ascertain as to whether or not it does exist.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

its all a battle with words. Dont let it get to you. Listen to music. Watch the clouds go by, whatever.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well that's the obvious answer. :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but for the sake of the topic, heres a metaphysical question - when does an object cease to exist? When its broken? melted down? cracked? consumed? cut in half? quarters? what do u rekon...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Actually this is a whole topic on it's own. I'd say as soon as you can't distinguish it from anything else anymore.

[warri0r45]

Actually this is a whole topic on it's own.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

sorry :oops:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but yeah, i suppose when you cant distinguish an object from its original, its no longer that object. Or you could say each atom thats stripped from it makes it a different object..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

we constantly think we are the same person, one, always. But in reality, the human body is constantly changing, renewing itself, (****ting out the old, consuming the new :lol: ) In reality, you are made of fractions of all kinds of animals and plants, each of them fractions of others, who were fractions of others, and so on, and so forth.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

if you believe the science.. we all came from molten rock, gasses and other garbage i.e. random matter on earth before life existed (you get the point, right?).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

its humbling kind of...

[Kinslayer777]

As once said

 

 

 

"I exist because i think"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Eh, you mean "I think, therefore i am"

 

 

 

Sorry if it's already been corrected

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In my own two senselessicals to add: Nothing exists. To the basic form, everything is uniformed energy at different frequencies therefore everything is the same, therefore nothing individual exists, and if nothing is individual, nothing exists. Yada-yada, sure helps boost dorphine levels [

[Kinslayer777]

if you believe the science...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry, but...edited: See next person's quote. Or, just read my picture below this :

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edit:::OOOHH! This is sort of like my old 5 hour sig *brings it up*;

 

 

 

[Lionheart_0]

 

if you believe the science...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry, but it's simply impossible to refute that the atoms of our body aren't the same as the atoms of many other things. There's no religious battle there. I don't mean to turn this into a science fact/bible quote war though. Carbon, Hydrogen (

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Depending how much chemistry you took, you should know not all atoms are the same. Of course all atoms have a nucleus which contain neutrons and protons, and then (a) valance shell(s) which contains electrons. The things that make each atom/element different are the number of protons and neutrons and electrons in an atom. For example, carbon has an atomic number of 6. This means there are 6 protons and 6 neutrons. Now if we take another element such as Lithium, it has an atomic number of 3, meaning 3 electron and protons. Now, when we attempt to put together a metal and a non-metal, atoms must move from one element to another so that we make an octet (or full valance in each shell). Lets put Lithium and Carbon together. Carbon needs 4 electrons to become an octet. Since Lithium has 1 electron in its valance shell, there needs to be 4 lithium to make that Carbon have an octet. This makes Li4C (Lithium Carbide).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now to go further, Each element has a different portion to a certain property called electronegativity. Now i don't know the exact electronegativity for lithium and carbon, but, the energy needed to put together Lithium and carbon would be different then say, magnesium and Carbon.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is your chemistry lesson forthe day.

[Kinslayer777]

I suppose we could be having a high level of deception going on ;)...but, yes, I realize[/learned] there are differences in atoms [Would isotopes be the correct term?]. Hmm...I'll edit my post, too many loopholes that can be argued do to my extremely broad reasoning. I did not intend to get into specifics. Meh, I know I'm not an expert so things can be fought uselessly to me as I can't refute them if I'm not an expert. I was speaking i broad terms the atoms that go in, are the atoms that go out/stay in. No fusion or fission in our bodies (?:(?) I suppose however there could be some particles radiating...or is everything in us too stable for that? What about Carbon14 I was under the impression it slowly degenerates but perhaps that only once living things die...?