i understand what both sides come from but im lvl 71 and am bored iv doen all missions my skills are high so i cant really so much in the game but dont get butt hurt i was just seggusting it (srry for spelling)

 

 

 

 

maybe his parent wont let him to pay 5$ like mine.only way is pay by paypal(cash) wich is 8 $,or phone(wich not work very often)

 

 

 

if his parents wont let him its not jagex fault, f2p is lucky they get this game for free anyway

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So let me guess... You are a member? Typical view for a member.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Without F2P, runescape loses its population without new members joining. It dies. Jagex goes bankrupt. End-o-story. With F2P people get a chance to try it out, see if they like it, if not they quit, Jagex barely notices. If they like it, they continue, most eventually buying a membership. Those that don't contribute to the income through ads. Either way, Jagex gets money, even if it is a little less than members provide.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What did he say wrong? Are you saying that the statement "If parents won't let them pay, it isn't JAGeX's fault" is false? So... does JAGeX have to BEG parents to let their kids pay for membership?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for F2P is lucky to get a free version, yes; F2P is lucky. No one is denying that F2P holds quite an importance in Runescape, but neither can you deny that it is lucky that Runescape has an F2P version. Remember, most other MMORPGs of any sufficient quality are not free at all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

However, even if we agree F2P holds quite some importance, explain to me why this justifies F2P getting updates. Do you really think F2P getting more stuff will attract more people? I doubt it. People don't just play F2P and immediately see all that it has to offer: it is a gradual process. And those who are able to pay for membership would generally be convinced to get it before they have finished through all the contents of F2P. Giving more stuff to F2P will not increase in influx of members by much, although some bitter members may leave. There is nothing in it for JAGeX except for kindness, so it is highly unlikely they would update F2P to any great degree.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you read my post, I mention nothing about parental permission. I was simply showing why we are not LUCKY we get to play for free.

 

 

 

I have to say, Toxicologist was right. Except...

 

 

 

I have heard from numerous JAGeX mods that the money from advertisements is only enough to support F2P servers. yes, F2P aren't exactly directly giving money to JAGeX through ads, but still I'd say that F2P are not LUCKY they can play for free. But they ARE LUCKY that they get ANY UPDATES AT ALL.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i understand what both sides come from but im lvl 71 and am bored iv doen all missions my skills are high so i cant really so much in the game but dont get butt hurt i was just seggusting it (srry for spelling)

 

 

 

Your...Butt hurts?

Ive been playing RS for almost 6 years now and IMO F2P has gotten a lot better than it was back then, so I think you should all stop complaining about not getting updates.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sure updates are fun, but life isn't all fun, ya know? There are things that you aren't gonna like no matter what, and guess what... you will prolly complain about that too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

5$ a month isn't all that much, and yes I know there are families that would rather not pay it, then so be it, but you can't complain that you don't get free stuff.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

IMO what there is to do on F2P is plenty for a free game. If you want more... MEMBERS! is the way to go :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyways, I'm going to stop ranting on and making no sense...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Until next time,

 

 

 

Vlad.

 

 

 

 

maybe his parent wont let him to pay 5$ like mine.only way is pay by paypal(cash) wich is 8 $,or phone(wich not work very often)

 

 

 

if his parents wont let him its not jagex fault, f2p is lucky they get this game for free anyway

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So let me guess... You are a member? Typical view for a member.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Without F2P, runescape loses its population without new members joining. It dies. Jagex goes bankrupt. End-o-story. With F2P people get a chance to try it out, see if they like it, if not they quit, Jagex barely notices. If they like it, they continue, most eventually buying a membership. Those that don't contribute to the income through ads. Either way, Jagex gets money, even if it is a little less than members provide.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What did he say wrong? Are you saying that the statement "If parents won't let them pay, it isn't JAGeX's fault" is false? So... does JAGeX have to BEG parents to let their kids pay for membership?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for F2P is lucky to get a free version, yes; F2P is lucky. No one is denying that F2P holds quite an importance in Runescape, but neither can you deny that it is lucky that Runescape has an F2P version. Remember, most other MMORPGs of any sufficient quality are not free at all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

However, even if we agree F2P holds quite some importance, explain to me why this justifies F2P getting updates. Do you really think F2P getting more stuff will attract more people? I doubt it. People don't just play F2P and immediately see all that it has to offer: it is a gradual process. And those who are able to pay for membership would generally be convinced to get it before they have finished through all the contents of F2P. Giving more stuff to F2P will not increase in influx of members by much, although some bitter members may leave. There is nothing in it for JAGeX except for kindness, so it is highly unlikely they would update F2P to any great degree.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you read my post, I mention nothing about parental permission. I was simply showing why we are not LUCKY we get to play for free.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Look at what you are typing. So we are seriously NOT lucky to be able to play Runescape for free? What would your definition of lucky be then? Having JAGeX release the game totally free, in one huge selfless act? Don't you think that is a bit greedy, not to mention selfish, of you?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And I understood you had nothing against parental permission. I just caught the handle and decided to make the most of it. Force of habit.

 

 

 

 

 

maybe his parent wont let him to pay 5$ like mine.only way is pay by paypal(cash) wich is 8 $,or phone(wich not work very often)

 

 

 

if his parents wont let him its not jagex fault, f2p is lucky they get this game for free anyway

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So let me guess... You are a member? Typical view for a member.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Without F2P, runescape loses its population without new members joining. It dies. Jagex goes bankrupt. End-o-story. With F2P people get a chance to try it out, see if they like it, if not they quit, Jagex barely notices. If they like it, they continue, most eventually buying a membership. Those that don't contribute to the income through ads. Either way, Jagex gets money, even if it is a little less than members provide.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What did he say wrong? Are you saying that the statement "If parents won't let them pay, it isn't JAGeX's fault" is false? So... does JAGeX have to BEG parents to let their kids pay for membership?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for F2P is lucky to get a free version, yes; F2P is lucky. No one is denying that F2P holds quite an importance in Runescape, but neither can you deny that it is lucky that Runescape has an F2P version. Remember, most other MMORPGs of any sufficient quality are not free at all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

However, even if we agree F2P holds quite some importance, explain to me why this justifies F2P getting updates. Do you really think F2P getting more stuff will attract more people? I doubt it. People don't just play F2P and immediately see all that it has to offer: it is a gradual process. And those who are able to pay for membership would generally be convinced to get it before they have finished through all the contents of F2P. Giving more stuff to F2P will not increase in influx of members by much, although some bitter members may leave. There is nothing in it for JAGeX except for kindness, so it is highly unlikely they would update F2P to any great degree.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you read my post, I mention nothing about parental permission. I was simply showing why we are not LUCKY we get to play for free.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Look at what you are typing. So we are seriously NOT lucky to be able to play Runescape for free? What would your definition of lucky be then? Having JAGeX release the game totally free, in one huge selfless act? Don't you think that is a bit greedy, not to mention selfish, of you?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And I understood you had nothing against parental permission. I just caught the handle and decided to make the most of it. Force of habit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now you are blowing my comments completely out of proportion. All I have said is that we, as F2P, are not LUCKY to get a free version, because, without F2P, Runescape would not be as popular.

I'm F2P. I disagree.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The difference between P2P and F2P is not like being a slave or a slave owner-

 

 

 

Back then, when slaves were legal, the slaves will be F2Pers and the P2P will be the slave owners. F2P had little to no rights, but still were able to live. P2P got all the good stuff. F2P had no choice but to be F2P slaves. F2P dudes couldn't choose to be P2P slave owners.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The real thing is like this-

 

 

 

F2Pers have really long hair. P2Pers shave their head. F2Pers wish they could get a free shave, but they cannot. P2Pers pay money to get shaved, therefore they are shaved. It's a choice, not the law.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, it would be nice to get more F2P stuff, but then no one would want to be P2P due to the F2Pers getting stuff. Yes, P2P will obviously offer more, but F2P is barely anything, and if they get more than barely anything, then less people will get horridley bored with F2P and less of the players will become P2P, therefore JaGeX will not make as much money.

Haven't you ever heard of the old saying "Give me give me never gets." If you don't ask they just might give some updates. I haven't heard one "Hey Jagex thanks for the home teleport and the bank in lumbridge, it really helped me." All i here is "You call that an update, Id'e rather have granite armor." :shame: :shame:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

P.S. The point is follow the golden rule. If you demand more things there gona demand money to even play what used to be F2P. :evil:

 

 

 

 

 

 

maybe his parent wont let him to pay 5$ like mine.only way is pay by paypal(cash) wich is 8 $,or phone(wich not work very often)

 

 

 

if his parents wont let him its not jagex fault, f2p is lucky they get this game for free anyway

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So let me guess... You are a member? Typical view for a member.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Without F2P, runescape loses its population without new members joining. It dies. Jagex goes bankrupt. End-o-story. With F2P people get a chance to try it out, see if they like it, if not they quit, Jagex barely notices. If they like it, they continue, most eventually buying a membership. Those that don't contribute to the income through ads. Either way, Jagex gets money, even if it is a little less than members provide.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What did he say wrong? Are you saying that the statement "If parents won't let them pay, it isn't JAGeX's fault" is false? So... does JAGeX have to BEG parents to let their kids pay for membership?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for F2P is lucky to get a free version, yes; F2P is lucky. No one is denying that F2P holds quite an importance in Runescape, but neither can you deny that it is lucky that Runescape has an F2P version. Remember, most other MMORPGs of any sufficient quality are not free at all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

However, even if we agree F2P holds quite some importance, explain to me why this justifies F2P getting updates. Do you really think F2P getting more stuff will attract more people? I doubt it. People don't just play F2P and immediately see all that it has to offer: it is a gradual process. And those who are able to pay for membership would generally be convinced to get it before they have finished through all the contents of F2P. Giving more stuff to F2P will not increase in influx of members by much, although some bitter members may leave. There is nothing in it for JAGeX except for kindness, so it is highly unlikely they would update F2P to any great degree.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you read my post, I mention nothing about parental permission. I was simply showing why we are not LUCKY we get to play for free.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Look at what you are typing. So we are seriously NOT lucky to be able to play Runescape for free? What would your definition of lucky be then? Having JAGeX release the game totally free, in one huge selfless act? Don't you think that is a bit greedy, not to mention selfish, of you?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And I understood you had nothing against parental permission. I just caught the handle and decided to make the most of it. Force of habit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now you are blowing my comments completely out of proportion. All I have said is that we, as F2P, are not LUCKY to get a free version, because, without F2P, Runescape would not be as popular.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I emphasise again. You say F2P is NOT lucky. So you mean it is deserved? Or it is as it should be? I am not trying to exaggerate your comments and make you look bad. This is how I interpreted your comments.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If your meaning is not as I suggested, please explain deeper. I fail to see why the fact that the members population is reliant on the free population makes F2Pers "not lucky" to be able to play this game for free, unless you mean it is deserved.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

maybe his parent wont let him to pay 5$ like mine.only way is pay by paypal(cash) wich is 8 $,or phone(wich not work very often)

 

 

 

if his parents wont let him its not jagex fault, f2p is lucky they get this game for free anyway

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So let me guess... You are a member? Typical view for a member.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Without F2P, runescape loses its population without new members joining. It dies. Jagex goes bankrupt. End-o-story. With F2P people get a chance to try it out, see if they like it, if not they quit, Jagex barely notices. If they like it, they continue, most eventually buying a membership. Those that don't contribute to the income through ads. Either way, Jagex gets money, even if it is a little less than members provide.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What did he say wrong? Are you saying that the statement "If parents won't let them pay, it isn't JAGeX's fault" is false? So... does JAGeX have to BEG parents to let their kids pay for membership?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for F2P is lucky to get a free version, yes; F2P is lucky. No one is denying that F2P holds quite an importance in Runescape, but neither can you deny that it is lucky that Runescape has an F2P version. Remember, most other MMORPGs of any sufficient quality are not free at all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

However, even if we agree F2P holds quite some importance, explain to me why this justifies F2P getting updates. Do you really think F2P getting more stuff will attract more people? I doubt it. People don't just play F2P and immediately see all that it has to offer: it is a gradual process. And those who are able to pay for membership would generally be convinced to get it before they have finished through all the contents of F2P. Giving more stuff to F2P will not increase in influx of members by much, although some bitter members may leave. There is nothing in it for JAGeX except for kindness, so it is highly unlikely they would update F2P to any great degree.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you read my post, I mention nothing about parental permission. I was simply showing why we are not LUCKY we get to play for free.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Look at what you are typing. So we are seriously NOT lucky to be able to play Runescape for free? What would your definition of lucky be then? Having JAGeX release the game totally free, in one huge selfless act? Don't you think that is a bit greedy, not to mention selfish, of you?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And I understood you had nothing against parental permission. I just caught the handle and decided to make the most of it. Force of habit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now you are blowing my comments completely out of proportion. All I have said is that we, as F2P, are not LUCKY to get a free version, because, without F2P, Runescape would not be as popular.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I emphasise again. You say F2P is NOT lucky. So you mean it is deserved? Or it is as it should be? I am not trying to exaggerate your comments and make you look bad. This is how I interpreted your comments.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If your meaning is not as I suggested, please explain deeper. I fail to see why the fact that the members population is reliant on the free population makes F2Pers "not lucky" to be able to play this game for free, unless you mean it is deserved.

 

 

 

I think you're a little slow on the uptake.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I believe what he means is Jagex keeps f2p for a reason. Without the f2p player base Runescape would not be nearly as successful and thus not make nearly as much money. f2p players being "lucky" has nothing to do with it. And all you seem to be doing is constantly be putting this luck factor in the argument.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If f2p did not contribute to the game Jagex would probably just do away with it. Since they only seem to care about making money.

there wont be many more F2P updates coming out because P2P people pay to play so they are kepping the game alive and the F@P is just really a trial version of the game, so I dont support :notalk:

if you get bored of the f2p version, do what i have been doing for over 5 years: when you don't feel like playing rs anymore because of boredom, just sell your armor and weps, and quit for a few months. trust me you will want to come back some day, and when you do, log in and buy yourself your armor back. by the time you come back, armor priced have dropped, so you have gained money.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i dont think that f2p needs anything new, because i get by just fine with the amount of bank space we have, and we don't need anything major at all.

maybe his parent wont let him to pay 5$ like mine.only way is pay by paypal(cash) wich is 8 $,or phone(wich not work very often)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's how it is with me. I would get members if I could find a way to get the money to them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And to everyone who says "If they add 1 minigame or 2 new objects no one would get members" think about it. There are hundreds, maybe even thousands, of new things to do in members. 1 or 2 things won't make a difference. It will just keep people from complaining about it.

Yes this is a common problem. As a member who once was f2p for a long time (check signature for an idea of how long), ive seen this a lot. And will now tackle each of the arguements against this (as it will probably be easier) and state my opinion

 

 

 

Arguement/reason against it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well.. If Jagex decided to add minigames, skills, and weekly updates, nobody would have any reason to become member. Remember, RuneScape is around to make money for them, not just a free way to use your time. You are lucky to even have a F2P, because many MMORPGs have a limited trial, when Runescape's is unlimited.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-quite true i agree member things should stay member - this makes jagexs life much easier, however maybe 1 f2p minigame would be good (give f2pers a sample of what its like) as for your agument of jagex making money u are not competely true. F2p is the true backbone to Runescape, while the members are the heart keeping runescape in buisness. However most people dont become member as soon as they start to play. They generally try the game out first... maybe days, weeks, months, even years before becoming members (that is if they ever do).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

However theres a flaw with $5s a month being a little. It adds up. I didnt want to become a member because i knew that if i quit being a member (probbaly running out of cash). I would have no room in my bank. This is where my first suggestion to jagex comes in - make it so member stuff doesnt take up room if ur f2p (as a courtsy to previous members).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

also You siad something about other MMORPGs that isnt part of the question. RS isnt other MMORPGs. RS also has far more paying members then others (I think i saw that somewhere). This might because it is an overall good game, but is probably because theres so many f2pers, f2pers decide wether the game is good or not, if they feel its good they tell there friends, those friends may become members.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think more f2p bank space (maybe another row) would be good. As for weekly updates i agree that wouldnt be a good idea. but maybe a new small f2p addition monthly. and like a bimonthly (every 2 months) (or so) have a big update. This would keep the f2pers, and members are getting new stuff anyway (about 3 updates a month at least). I highly doubt a member will quit being a member just cause theres more f2p stuff he can do as a member anyway. Maybe some new additions to the security stronghold. Im saying updates like trimmed weapons, trimmed boots, trimmed gloves, maybe a new f2p quest every once in a while. sense i started playing f2p back in sept of 04, i havent seen an update bigger then the security strong hold, which i thought was nice. Then i saw the member stuff and realized that members had 100x as much space to wonder around. 100x as much items. Adding a new addition to f2p every once in a while (maybe every 5 to 10 updates) wouldnt be a bad thing. a new skill wouldn't be a bad idea... ive seen 2 new members skills sense i started but not 1 f2p, also maybe a few new additions to f2p skills (higher lvl equiptment, somewhere down the line (bank space first).

 

 

 

The main things i ask for is more bank space to f2p, after all they been asking for it for over 2 years now, and a new small update every once in a while: back to arguements.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i saw some1 fighting that RS doesnt need more f2p bank space. Orgainizeation isnt anything about it. i used ot merchant ores+bars. with ores+bars+runes+rune armor+ other stuff you need to play the game well (such as maybe elemental staffs, and other stuff) i had maybe 4 slots left. so im saying another 4-slots would be good. this is also good for the new people who may have a lot of quest items and other stuff as well.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

also txlnghorns22 if ur parents wont let u it is not jagex's fault but jagex's problem. Jagex has a low "age limit" of 13 years old. Most people that are 13 would probably rely on there parents to pay.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I do somewhat agree with Dalcyte, f2p has gotten a lot recently. But if u think about it. Its all been to help the noobs really (not a bad stratagy sense if the noobs die a lot or something they might quit pretty quick, its more a protection of jagex's investment.

 

 

 

-bank in lumby: where do u spawn when u die? and when do u die the most?

 

 

 

-Security strong hold: Show the new players how to keep there accounts secure, (does include some new high lvl though so ill give ya that much.)

 

 

 

-Home teleport: the update siad it was for those who got lost (most likely the new players)

 

 

 

-skill tutors - ... obviously new players.

 

 

 

so ya for the new players. -

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The bottom Line.

 

 

 

Currently f2p is pretty much ok. having more f2p stuff might attact more people and may increase the amount of members by attracting more people. The updates are more directed twards new players then they are general f2p. Without the unlimited free "trial" of f2p i would neve have become a member, and i bet many others wouldnt either. IF free to play needs any update its bank space. cash isnt really an issue. People play runescape that are poor and rich. Making member stuff f2p would probably never happen as it would make being a member pointless. However making a f2p addition every once in a while would keep f2p from geting dull and would probably keep people playing (either way member or not without players runecape will crumble). Im not saying that the free addition would be charity more like a long term investment. and remember runescape had f2p from the start.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think thats about all i got to say lol :).

well, it's either have less things in F2P, or have no runescape at all.